Hello again,

Assume I take a spaceship to Alpha Centauri, which is 4 light years
away. And the ship goes so fast, that the travel time seems to me to
be one hour. Will it not seem to me that Alpha Centauri made a journey
that started at x=4[ly] and ended at x=0, during a time of one hour,
and therefore its speed was much faster than lightspeed? Where is my
mistake?

Ram.

On Mar 11, 3:08*pm, "
wrote:
Hello again,

Assume I take a spaceship to Alpha Centauri, which is 4 light years
away. And the ship goes so fast, that the travel time seems to me to
be one hour. Will it not seem to me that Alpha Centauri made a journey
that started at x=4[ly] and ended at x=0, during a time of one hour,
and therefore its speed was much faster than lightspeed? Where is my
mistake?

Ram.

Your mistake is likely the use of a faulty propagation
model for light.

http://nobelprize.org/physics/articl...ong/index.html
http://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teachin...es/node98.html

Sue...

Mark Twain on electrodynamics:
The trouble ain't that there is too many fools,
but that the lightning ain't distributed right.

Dear ram.rachum:

On Mar 11, 12:08*pm, "
wrote:
Hello again,

Assume I take a spaceship to Alpha Centauri, which is
4 light years away.

... when measured at rest.

And the ship goes so fast, that the travel time seems
to me to be one hour. Will it not seem to me that
Alpha Centauri made a journey that started at x=4[ly]
and ended at x=0, during a time of one hour, and
therefore its speed was much faster than lightspeed?

No. Were you to measure the distance by, say, parallax, you would see
that Alpha Centauri was *much* closer than 4 light years, and that its
relative speed was less than c.

Where is my mistake?

Frame jump. You use a distance measured in one frame, and a duration
from a different frame.

David A. Smith

"dlzc" wrote in message
...
Dear ram.rachum:

On Mar 11, 12:08 pm, "
wrote:
Hello again,

Assume I take a spaceship to Alpha Centauri, which is
4 light years away.

| ... when measured at rest.

HAHAHA!
How do you that, ****-for-brains?


And the ship goes so fast, that the travel time seems
to me to be one hour. Will it not seem to me that
Alpha Centauri made a journey that started at x=4[ly]
and ended at x=0, during a time of one hour, and
therefore its speed was much faster than lightspeed?

| No. Were you to measure the distance by, say, parallax, you would see
| that Alpha Centauri was *much* closer than 4 light years, and that its
| relative speed was less than c.

Ignorant LIAR!



Where is my mistake?

| Frame jump. You use a distance measured in one frame, and a duration
| from a different frame.

Snivelling idiot; the time is one hour, the speed is 4ly/hour.

wrote in message
...
| Hello again,
|
| Assume I take a spaceship to Alpha Centauri, which is 4 light years
| away. And the ship goes so fast, that the travel time seems to me to
| be one hour. Will it not seem to me that Alpha Centauri made a journey
| that started at x=4[ly] and ended at x=0, during a time of one hour,
| and therefore its speed was much faster than lightspeed? Where is my
| mistake?
|
| Ram.

Your mistake is listening to the incredible garbage Einstein spewed.
The time to walk from London to New York on a plane is equal to
the time it takes to return from the flight deck to the tail.

the "time" required by light to travel from A (London, tail of plane) to B
(New York, flight deck) equals the "time" it requires to travel from B to A
-- ****wit Einstein.

On Mar 11, 3:51 pm, "Androcles" wrote:
"dlzc" wrote in message

...
Dear ram.rachum:

On Mar 11, 12:08 pm, "
wrote:

Hello again,

Assume I take a spaceship to Alpha Centauri, which is
4 light years away.

| ... when measured at rest.

HAHAHA!
How do you that, ****-for-brains?

No problem, we'll add "measuring distance to stars"
to the list of established science you don't
believe in, in your pre-1850 version of physics.

And the ship goes so fast, that the travel time seems
to me to be one hour. Will it not seem to me that
Alpha Centauri made a journey that started at x=4[ly]
and ended at x=0, during a time of one hour, and
therefore its speed was much faster than lightspeed?

| No. Were you to measure the distance by, say, parallax, you would see
| that Alpha Centauri was *much* closer than 4 light years, and that its
| relative speed was less than c.

Ignorant LIAR!

Where is my mistake?

| Frame jump. You use a distance measured in one frame, and a duration
| from a different frame.

Snivelling idiot; the time is one hour, the speed is 4ly/hour.

No problem, we'll add "stellar aberration" to
the list of well-established science you don't
believe in, in your pre-1850 version of physics.

- Randy

"Randy Poe" wrote in message
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| On Mar 11, 3:51 pm, "Androcles" wrote:
| "dlzc" wrote in message
|
|
...
| Dear ram.rachum:
|
| On Mar 11, 12:08 pm, "
| wrote:
|
| Hello again,
|
| Assume I take a spaceship to Alpha Centauri, which is
| 4 light years away.
|
| | ... when measured at rest.
|
| HAHAHA!
| How do you that, ****-for-brains?
|
| No problem, we'll add "measuring distance to stars"
| to the list of established science you don't
| believe in, in your pre-1850 version of physics.

Show me a star that is at rest. "No problem", says Poe the ****ing idiot.






|
| And the ship goes so fast, that the travel time seems
| to me to be one hour. Will it not seem to me that
| Alpha Centauri made a journey that started at x=4[ly]
| and ended at x=0, during a time of one hour, and
| therefore its speed was much faster than lightspeed?
|
| | No. Were you to measure the distance by, say, parallax, you would see
| | that Alpha Centauri was *much* closer than 4 light years, and that its
| | relative speed was less than c.
|
| Ignorant LIAR!
|
| Where is my mistake?
|
| | Frame jump. You use a distance measured in one frame, and a duration
| | from a different frame.
|
| Snivelling idiot; the time is one hour, the speed is 4ly/hour.
|
| No problem, we'll add "stellar aberration" to
| the list of well-established science you don't
| believe in, in your pre-1850 version of physics.

You wouldn't know what aberration was if it bit you, Poe.
This is just another of your "Androcles cannot distinguish velocity
from closing rate" and "buses take longer to stop than cars" stupidities.

Hey Poe, what's the value of v in sqrt(1-v^2/c^2) for this situation,
****head?
http://hands-on-cern.physto.se/ani/a.../lhc_atlas.swf

Oh, it's not a velocity, it's a meaningless closing rate!

"For velocities greater than that of light our deliberations become
meaningless; we shall, however, find in what follows, that the velocity of
light in our theory plays the part, physically, of an infinitely great
velocity." -- Einstein, playing the part of the local village idiot (that
role is now filled by Dork or you'd
have the title).

On Mar 11, 9:56*pm, Randy Poe wrote:
On Mar 11, 3:51 pm, "Androcles" wrote:



"dlzc" wrote in message

...
Dear ram.rachum:

On Mar 11, 12:08 pm, "
wrote:

Hello again,

Assume I take a spaceship to Alpha Centauri, which is
4 light years away.

| ... when measured at rest.

HAHAHA!
How do you that, ****-for-brains?

No problem, we'll add "measuring distance to stars"
to the list of established science you don't
believe in, in your pre-1850 version of physics.



And the ship goes so fast, that the travel time seems
to me to be one hour. Will it not seem to me that
Alpha Centauri made a journey that started at x=4[ly]
and ended at x=0, during a time of one hour, and
therefore its speed was much faster than lightspeed?

| No. *Were you to measure the distance by, say, parallax, you would see
| that Alpha Centauri was *much* closer than 4 light years, and that its
| relative speed was less than c.

Ignorant LIAR!

Where is my mistake?

| Frame jump. *You use a distance measured in one frame, and a duration
| from a different frame.

Snivelling idiot; the time is one hour, the speed is 4ly/hour.

No problem, we'll add "stellar aberration" to
the list of well-established science you don't
believe in, in your pre-1850 version of physics.

* * * * * * - Randy

Randy, please don't continue the argument with Androcles. Thank you.

wrote in message
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On Mar 11, 9:56 pm, Randy Poe wrote:
On Mar 11, 3:51 pm, "Androcles" wrote:



"dlzc" wrote in message

...
Dear ram.rachum:

On Mar 11, 12:08 pm, "
wrote:

Hello again,

Assume I take a spaceship to Alpha Centauri, which is
4 light years away.

| ... when measured at rest.

HAHAHA!
How do you that, ****-for-brains?

No problem, we'll add "measuring distance to stars"
to the list of established science you don't
believe in, in your pre-1850 version of physics.



And the ship goes so fast, that the travel time seems
to me to be one hour. Will it not seem to me that
Alpha Centauri made a journey that started at x=4[ly]
and ended at x=0, during a time of one hour, and
therefore its speed was much faster than lightspeed?

| No. Were you to measure the distance by, say, parallax, you would see
| that Alpha Centauri was *much* closer than 4 light years, and that its
| relative speed was less than c.

Ignorant LIAR!

Where is my mistake?

| Frame jump. You use a distance measured in one frame, and a duration
| from a different frame.

Snivelling idiot; the time is one hour, the speed is 4ly/hour.

No problem, we'll add "stellar aberration" to
the list of well-established science you don't
believe in, in your pre-1850 version of physics.

- Randy

| Randy, please don't continue the argument with Androcles. Thank you.

What's it to you, nymshifter?

On Mar 11, 8:08 pm, "
wrote:
Hello again,

Assume I take a spaceship to Alpha Centauri, which is 4 light years
away. And the ship goes so fast, that the travel time seems to me to
be one hour. Will it not seem to me that Alpha Centauri made a journey
that started at x=4[ly] and ended at x=0, during a time of one hour,
and therefore its speed was much faster than lightspeed? Where is my
mistake?

taking that spaceship to alpha centauri

you burn that ship to death at alpha centauri


Ram.