Dear friends:

I am just putting the finishing touches on the five-dimensional paper
which I have been working on intensively for the past several weeks, and
which I have had in mind on and off for several years. I will be doing
a final proofread tomorrow and posting it to my weblog, then trying to
get it journal-published in the near future. I wanted to give you all,
and the commentariat at sci.physics.foundations, the first look at this.

http://jayryablon.files.wordpress.co...in-2-22-08.pdf

It is a long paper, but if you read the introduction, and more
importantly, the conclusion, you should have a pretty good roadmap to
help you navigate through in an efficient way.

I look forward to your comments; I believe that this paper fully and
completely unifies gravitation and electrodynamics, and in the scheme of
things, will be as significant in the 21st century, as GTR 1916 was in
the 20th.

Please, see if you can find some time to take a good look. And, keep an
eye on my weblog as well as SPF over the coming days, for final updates
before I take this to the journals.

Any support, help, ideas, etc., would be greatly appreciated at this
time.

Best regards,

Jay.
____________________________
Jay R. Yablon
Email:
co-moderator: sci.physics.foundations
Weblog: http://jayryablon.wordpress.com/
Web Site: http://home.nycap.rr.com/jry/FermionMass.htm

"Jay R. Yablon" wrote in message
...
| Dear friends:
|
| I am just putting the finishing touches on the five-dimensional paper
| which I have been working on intensively for the past several weeks, and
| which I have had in mind on and off for several years. I will be doing
| a final proofread tomorrow and posting it to my weblog, then trying to
| get it journal-published in the near future. I wanted to give you all,
| and the commentariat at sci.physics.foundations, the first look at this.
|
| http://jayryablon.files.wordpress.co...in-2-22-08.pdf

I found a typographical error.

"The possibility of employing a fifth spacetime dimension to unite

classical gravitation and electrodynamics has intrigued physicists

for almost a century. "


Should read:
"The possibility of employing a fifth spacetime dimension to unite

classical gravitation and electrodynamics has intrigued ****HEADS

for almost a century."

On Feb 22, 3:47 am, "Jay R. Yablon" wrote:
Dear friends:

I am just putting the finishing touches on the five-dimensional paper
which I have been working on intensively for the past several weeks, and
which I have had in mind on and off for several years. I will be doing
a final proofread tomorrow and posting it to my weblog, then trying to
get it journal-published in the near future. I wanted to give you all,
and the commentariat at sci.physics.foundations, the first look at this.

http://jayryablon.files.wordpress.co...in-2-22-08.pdf

It is a long paper, but if you read the introduction, and more
importantly, the conclusion, you should have a pretty good roadmap to
help you navigate through in an efficient way.

I look forward to your comments; I believe that this paper fully and
completely unifies gravitation and electrodynamics, and in the scheme of
things, will be as significant in the 21st century, as GTR 1916 was in
the 20th.

Please, see if you can find some time to take a good look. And, keep an
eye on my weblog as well as SPF over the coming days, for final updates
before I take this to the journals.

Any support, help, ideas, etc., would be greatly appreciated at this
time.

Your observations ring true: :-)

But electrical masses have long presented a dilemma,
because the electrical mass of a material body, say, an
electron, is not equal to its inertial mass, and this
inequivalence is the mainspring of the forces we feel
which clearly, as a physical sensation, differentiate the
acceleration of Newton's a=F/m from that of the
gravitational a=9.8 meters/sec2 near the surface
of the earth. The General Theory of Relativity, in the
end, captured inertial motion and its close
cousin of free-fall motion in a gravitational field,
in the most elegant way, as simple geodesic
motion in a curved Riemannian geometry along
geodesic paths which coincide precisely with the
paths one observes for bodies moving under
gravitational influences. But the electrical motion
of the Lorentz force has long been the "odd man out,"
because it was something distinct from
gravitation: it did not appear to follow a geodesic path,
and it did not "feel" like inertial or
gravitational free fall motions because it created
the sensation of a force which we can measure
when we place a scale between ourselves and the
ground on which we stand or the elevator
which accelerates us upward, because of the collective
electrical repulsion between billions of
electrons in our bodies and billions more in the
surface against which we are pressing.

The key to unlocking this mystery, and ultimately,
to placing gravitation and electromagnetism within the
same framework, is to understand the motion of electrical
masses - as governed by the experimentally-grounded
Lorentz force law - as geodesic motion no less that
that of gravitation, but in a spacetime that is extended
to contain a single additional fifth dimension: the
dimension first proposed long ago by Kaluza and Klein.
By placing electrical masses onto their own geodesics
in a five-dimensional Riemannian geometry which embeds the
spacetime of our daily experience into its seamless
fabric, we find that the long-standing quest to
unite gravitation and electrodynamics may finally
arrive at a safe haven on a firm foundation.
--J.R. Yablon
http://jayryablon.files.wordpress.co...in-2-22-08.pdf

When should we expect pages 37 through ~75 to formalise
a plausible mechanism along these lines?:

-- C. P. Kouropoulos
http://arxiv.org/abs/physics/0107015

Sue...



Best regards,

Jay.
____________________________
Jay R. Yablon
Email:
co-moderator: sci.physics.foundations
Weblog:http://jayryablon.wordpress.com/
Web Site:http://home.nycap.rr.com/jry/FermionMass.htm

"Sue..." wrote in message
...
.. . .
Your observations ring true: :-)

But electrical masses have long presented a dilemma,
because the electrical mass of a material body, say, an
electron, is not equal to its inertial mass, and this
inequivalence is the mainspring of the forces we feel
which clearly, as a physical sensation, differentiate the
acceleration of Newton's a=F/m from that of the
gravitational a=9.8 meters/sec2 near the surface
of the earth. The General Theory of Relativity, in the
end, captured inertial motion and its close
cousin of free-fall motion in a gravitational field,
in the most elegant way, as simple geodesic
motion in a curved Riemannian geometry along
geodesic paths which coincide precisely with the
paths one observes for bodies moving under
gravitational influences. But the electrical motion
of the Lorentz force has long been the "odd man out,"
because it was something distinct from
gravitation: it did not appear to follow a geodesic path,
and it did not "feel" like inertial or
gravitational free fall motions because it created
the sensation of a force which we can measure
when we place a scale between ourselves and the
ground on which we stand or the elevator
which accelerates us upward, because of the collective
electrical repulsion between billions of
electrons in our bodies and billions more in the
surface against which we are pressing.

The key to unlocking this mystery, and ultimately,
to placing gravitation and electromagnetism within the
same framework, is to understand the motion of electrical
masses - as governed by the experimentally-grounded
Lorentz force law - as geodesic motion no less that
that of gravitation, but in a spacetime that is extended
to contain a single additional fifth dimension: the
dimension first proposed long ago by Kaluza and Klein.
By placing electrical masses onto their own geodesics
in a five-dimensional Riemannian geometry which embeds the
spacetime of our daily experience into its seamless
fabric, we find that the long-standing quest to
unite gravitation and electrodynamics may finally
arrive at a safe haven on a firm foundation.
--J.R. Yablon
http://jayryablon.files.wordpress.co...in-2-22-08.pdf

When should we expect pages 37 through ~75 to formalise
a plausible mechanism along these lines?:

-- C. P. Kouropoulos
http://arxiv.org/abs/physics/0107015

Sue...

Well why don't you try somewhere in the first 36 pages. Maybe start
just with sections 2 and 3 and let me know if you think the premises are
sound.

Jay.

Jay R. Yablon wrote on Fri, 22 Feb 2008 03:47:29 -0500:

Dear friends:

I am just putting the finishing touches on the five-dimensional paper
which I have been working on intensively for the past several weeks, and
which I have had in mind on and off for several years. I will be doing
a final proofread tomorrow and posting it to my weblog, then trying to
get it journal-published in the near future. I wanted to give you all,
and the commentariat at sci.physics.foundations, the first look at this.

http://jayryablon.files.wordpress.co...in-2-22-08.pdf

It is a long paper, but if you read the introduction, and more
importantly, the conclusion, you should have a pretty good roadmap to
help you navigate through in an efficient way.

I look forward to your comments; I believe that this paper fully and
completely unifies gravitation and electrodynamics, and in the scheme of
things, will be as significant in the 21st century, as GTR 1916 was in
the 20th.

Sorry, but I am rather sure it will be less significant is being claimed.

As a note, it is really interesting i am working now in a paper shows the
deficiencies and limitations of a pure geometric formulation of gravity.
Deficiencies and limitations are not noticed in conventional literatu
Carroll, Ivanenko & Sardanashvili, Will, Christian.

It is interesting that set of limitations and deficiencies are not
present in alternative descriptions (e.g. AAAD and scalar-tensor field
theory).

Regarding pure electrodynamics, your description is adding a new set of
geodesical limitations and deficiencies to the well-known limitations and
deficiencies associated to a field approach:

{Chubykalo & Smirnov-Rueda 1996}
Action at a distance as a full-value solution of Maxwell equations: The
basis and application of the separated-potentials method. 1996. Phys.
Rev. E 53, 5373. Chubykalo, Andrew E; Smirnov-Rueda , Roman.

Erratum: Action at a distance as a full-value solution of Maxwell
equations: The basis and application of the separated-potentials method
[Phys. Rev. E 53, 5373 (1996)] . 1997. Phys. Rev. E 55, 3793. Chubykalo,
Andrew E; Smirnov-Rueda , Roman.


Please, see if you can find some time to take a good look. And, keep an
eye on my weblog as well as SPF over the coming days, for final updates
before I take this to the journals.

Any support, help, ideas, etc., would be greatly appreciated at this
time.

Sorry to say this, but my point is that a more *complete* modelling of
interactions and unification of electrodynamical and gravitational
interactions (which is being done at the Center) is *very* far from the
mathematics and physics on your paper.

In fact, the local time-explicit functions, the metric structure of
spacetime, the geodesic hypotesis and the connection, the past light cone
structure, and even the own structure of spacetime are *approximations*
arise in some well-defined limit of a more fundamental theory is being
developed by me at the Center and by others.

Of course, that does *not* dismiss the achievements on your paper. But
nobody would believe that work is fundamental or will remain a
fundamental piece during 21st...


Best regards,

Jay.
____________________________
Jay R. Yablon
Email:
co-moderator: sci.physics.foundations Weblog:
http://jayryablon.wordpress.com/ Web Site:
http://home.nycap.rr.com/jry/FermionMass.htm



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Jay R. Yablon wrote:
I am just putting the finishing touches on the five-dimensional paper
[...]

I look forward to your comments;

Most journals prefer an informative abstract to a
descriptive abstract. State your primary result in the first
sentence. "We examine" is for the introduction; "first
explored by" is background. An informative abstract is just
your results.


I believe that this paper fully and
completely unifies gravitation and electrodynamics,

Then state they are unified, right at the top. From how you
describe what is notable about your paper, the title should
be something like: "Five-dimensional unification of gravity
and electrodynamics"

and in the scheme of
things, will be as significant in the 21st century, as GTR 1916 was in
the 20th.

So cut the weasel-words: "it appears", "may be", "may well be".
It is or it isn't. All "may be" says is that if I read your
paper I still won't know which.

Please, see if you can find some time to take a good look.

I didn't get beyond the abstract. I'm just a computer programmer.


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