Th Einstein shift at the event horizon is infinite. Meaning light
emitted outward there has an infinite redshift. Also light falling
inward would have infinite blueshift by Pound Rebka. They go hand in
hand.

These are the nonsense predictions of event horizons. Black holes are
disproven. You need to map time to space.

Mitch Raemsch Twice Nobel Laureate 2008

On 3 Feb, 20:21, wrote:
Th Einstein shift at the event horizon is infinite. Meaning light
emitted outward there has an infinite redshift. Also light falling
inward would have infinite blueshift by Pound Rebka. They go hand in
hand.

These are the nonsense predictions of event horizons. Black holes are
disproven. You need to map time to space.

Mitch Raemsch Twice Nobel Laureate 2008

In other words, except by definition, bullshift! What do you, my tiny
tinny silly little boy, who cuddled closely to your mummy make of the
O'Hare airport event?

http://ufo-media.com/video/official-...t-chicago.html

So, then, ****wit?
--
'foolsrushin.'

On Sun, 3 Feb 2008 12:21:24 -0800 (PST), wrote:

Th Einstein shift at the event horizon is infinite. Meaning light
emitted outward there has an infinite redshift. Also light falling
inward would have infinite blueshift by Pound Rebka. They go hand in
hand.

These are the nonsense predictions of event horizons. Black holes are
disproven. You need to map time to space.

Mitch Raemsch Twice Nobel Laureate 2008

I think it works out like this:
According to both Einstein's general theory and Newtonian theory, a
distant external observer trying to view coordinates at r=2m would be
confronted with an infinite redshift (i.e. no observable signal).


Under GR1915, an observer placed at the horizon and looking outward
should probably see an infinite inward gravitaitonal blueshift
(so hovering at the horizon under GR1915 would seem to be just as
illegal as moving at the speed of light under SR) .

Under Newtonian mechanics, the inward blueshift seen from r=2m would
only seem to amount to a doubling in frequency.


=Erk= (Eric Baird)
: " The dormouse again took a minute or two to think about it,
: and then said, 'It was a treacle-well.'
: 'There's no such thing!' Alice was beginning very angrily ... "
: - "Alice's Adventures in Wonderland", Lewis Carroll

On 9 Feb, 02:02, Eric Baird wrote:
On Sun, 3 Feb 2008 12:21:24 -0800 (PST), wrote:
Th Einstein shift at the event horizon is infinite. Meaning light
emitted outward there has an infinite redshift. Also light falling
inward would have infinite blueshift by Pound Rebka. They go hand in
hand.

These are the nonsense predictions of event horizons. Black holes are
disproven. You need to map time to space.

Mitch Raemsch Twice Nobel Laureate 2008

I think it works out like this:
According to both Einstein's general theory and Newtonian theory, a
distant external observer trying to view coordinates at r=2m would be
confronted with an infinite redshift (i.e. no observable signal).

Under GR1915, an observer placed at the horizon and looking outward
should probably see an infinite inward gravitaitonal blueshift
(so hovering at the horizon under GR1915 would seem to be just as
illegal as moving at the speed of light under SR) .

Under Newtonian mechanics, the inward blueshift seen from r=2m would
only seem to amount to a doubling in frequency.
[???? One day I'll learn to type .... .]
=Erk= (Eric Baird)
: " The dormouse again took a minute or two to think about it,
: and then said, 'It was a treacle-well.'
: 'There's no such thing!' Alice was beginning very angrily ... "
: * - *"Alice's Adventures in Wonderland", Lewis Carroll

Opening hours for Treacle Wells are 12 noon to 12 noon, though if you
are agile, we are also open from 8.15 a.m. to 8.14 a.m.

There are other forces at work.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...95546832717747

Just open your mind and open your heart! We have enough f-w's, so
don't become an extra!
--
'foolsrushin.'

On Fri, 8 Feb 2008 21:20:04 -0800 (PST), wrote
(in part):

....

Zero and infinite energy light; one going inward at the event horizon
and one going outward are nonsense predictions. These predictions
disprove black hole theory where time ends in the Schwarzschild
metric.


Well, they certainly do seem to be to blame for our current
difficulties with the Black Hole Information Paradox under GR1915.


Under NM (which only predicts an inward frequency-doubling seen by an
observer dropped off at r=2M), objects and information can still
migrate outwards through the r=2M surface, as classical indirect
radiation. This leakage disturbs the apparent order of events seen by
distant observers, so if those observers apply an overidealised
GR1915-style metric to describe the particles that they see appearing
inexplicably outside a dark star, they'll tend to construct a slightly
artificial explanation for it, that involves particle-pairs appearing,
acausally, outside the horizon.

So the "doubled frequency" blueshift for NM is associated with effects
whose overall statistical behaviour is analogous to modern (1970's)
Hawking radiation under QM.


General relativity, with its infinite inward blueshift, doesn't allow
any hope for matter escaping r=2M, so it can't model Hawking radiation
or similar effects, and it's therefore structurally incompatible with
quantum mechanics.


So, while C18th Newtonian theory had other faults, it did seem to get
indirect radiation through r=2m pretty much right, where GR1915
(C20th and C21st !) still gets it badly wrong.


=Erk= (Eric Baird)
http://search.barnesandnoble.com/boo...=9780955706806
: Huxley:
: " I find this lack of stimulus to be truly disappointing,
: don't you think? "
: Warden:
: " I try not to, my dear. However, you're young,
: think all you want! "
: -- Demolition Man (1993)