I noticed most of the anti-relativists get insulting on the personal
level with Einstein and usually anyone that accepts relativity.

Are there any anti-relativists who respect Einstein and the theories?

Michael Helland says...

I noticed most of the anti-relativists get insulting on the personal
level with Einstein and usually anyone that accepts relativity.

Are there any anti-relativists who respect Einstein and the theories?

*Most* physicists are anti-relativists in the sense that
(1) they know that Special Relativity is wrong; it is only
a limiting case of General Relativity.
(2) they believe that General Relativity will one day be
seen to be a limiting case of a theory that incorporates
quantum mechanics and gravity.

The arguments in this newsgroup are not between pro-relativity
and anti-relativity partisans. They are arguments between people
who understand relativity and people who don't. (By far, those
who don't understand relativity tend to be anti-relativity, but
there are a few exceptions.)

--
Daryl McCullough
Ithaca, NY

On Jan 28, 9:50*am, Michael Helland wrote:
I noticed most of the anti-relativists get insulting on the personal
level with Einstein and usually anyone that accepts relativity.

Are there any anti-relativists who respect Einstein and the theories?

Not many.

Ilja Schmelzer comes to mind. He is the only aetherist on these
newsgroups who is -not- a crackpot. For years, he has championed
an alternative theory of gravitation based on analogies with
condensed matter physics. His web page is currently undergoing
major revisions.
http://www.ilja-schmelzer.de/

Another extremely civil anti-relativist is Robert Fritzius.
He champions Ritz emission theory.
http://www.datasync.com/~rsf1/index.htm

Other than those two, I can't think of any civil anti-relativists,
and Ilja isn't necessarily anti-relativity. Rather, his attempts
to derive GR as an emergent theory arising from more fundamental
principles starts from radically different premises than that taken
by the majority of physicists...

Jerry

On Jan 28, 7:50 am, Michael Helland wrote:

I noticed most of the anti-relativists get insulting on the personal
level with Einstein and usually anyone that accepts relativity.

What do you mean 'insulting Einstein'? Do you not know he was long
dead? Describing anything about Einstein other than using the words
like 'nitwit', 'plagiarist', and 'liar' would be guilty of lying. To
me, it is you who is offended by that because you worship that nitwit,
that plagiarist, that liar as a demi-god. shrug

Are there any anti-relativists who respect Einstein and the theories?

What do you mean 'respect theories'? I have taken the time to
thoroughly study both SR and GR where both have nothing to do with
Einstein except were named so by him. What I have discovered if I
don' label both SR and GR as absurd conjectures, I would be guilty of
lying. The hypotheses of both SR and GR are utterly nonsense but fun
to learn though.

On Jan 28, 11:53 am, Koobee Wublee wrote:
On Jan 28, 7:50 am, Michael Helland wrote:

I noticed most of the anti-relativists get insulting on the personal
level with Einstein and usually anyone that accepts relativity.

What do you mean 'insulting Einstein'? Do you not know he was long
dead? Describing anything about Einstein other than using the words
like 'nitwit', 'plagiarist', and 'liar' would be guilty of lying. To
me, it is you who is offended by that because you worship that nitwit,
that plagiarist, that liar as a demi-god. shrug

Are there any anti-relativists who respect Einstein and the theories?

What do you mean 'respect theories'? I have taken the time to
thoroughly study both SR and GR where both have nothing to do with
Einstein except were named so by him. What I have discovered if I
don' label both SR and GR as absurd conjectures, I would be guilty of
lying. The hypotheses of both SR and GR are utterly nonsense but fun
to learn though.

You are curiously unable to calculate anything or even understand the
most basic of concepts for someone who has supposedly thoroughly
studied both theories.

On Jan 28, 2:53*pm, Koobee Wublee wrote:
On Jan 28, 7:50 am, Michael Helland wrote:

I noticed most of the anti-relativists get insulting on the personal
level with Einstein and usually anyone that accepts relativity.

What do you mean 'insulting Einstein'? *Do you not know he was long
dead? *Describing anything about Einstein other than using the words
like 'nitwit', 'plagiarist', and 'liar' would be guilty of lying. *To
me, it is you who is offended by that because you worship that nitwit,
that plagiarist, that liar as a demi-god. *shrug

We've already established that you do not understand and/or do not
care for the criteria by which scientific accomplishments are
credited. That's fine. You're not a scientist, and whether you
understand or endorse those criteria are wholly irrelevant.

Likewise, you do not understand and/or do not care for the role of
physical principles vs mathematical tools in physical theories. Again,
what you think about these is wholly irrelevant, since you are coming
from a position of ignorance.

Furthermore, you do not understand and/or do not agree with the
foundational statements of both SR and GR, and insist on inserting
your own statements. It's not a surprise that your own miscasting of
those statements is wholly irrelevant to both SR and GR.


Are there any anti-relativists who respect Einstein and the theories?

What do you mean 'respect theories'? *I have taken the time to
thoroughly study both SR and GR where both have nothing to do with
Einstein except were named so by him. *What I have discovered if I
don' label both SR and GR as absurd conjectures, I would be guilty of
lying. *The hypotheses of both SR and GR are utterly nonsense but fun
to learn though.

"PD" wrote in message
...
On Jan 28, 2:53 pm, Koobee Wublee wrote:
On Jan 28, 7:50 am, Michael Helland wrote:

I noticed most of the anti-relativists get insulting on the personal
level with Einstein and usually anyone that accepts relativity.

What do you mean 'insulting Einstein'? Do you not know he was long
dead? Describing anything about Einstein other than using the words
like 'nitwit', 'plagiarist', and 'liar' would be guilty of lying. To
me, it is you who is offended by that because you worship that nitwit,
that plagiarist, that liar as a demi-god. shrug

| We've already established that you do not understand and/or do not
| care for the criteria by which scientific accomplishments are
| credited. That's fine. You're not a scientist, and whether you
| understand or endorse those criteria are wholly irrelevant.

| Likewise, you do not understand and/or do not care for the role of
| physical principles vs mathematical tools in physical theories. Again,
| what you think about these is wholly irrelevant, since you are coming
| from a position of ignorance.

| Furthermore, you do not understand and/or do not agree with the
| foundational statements of both SR and GR, and insist on inserting
| your own statements. It's not a surprise that your own miscasting of
| those statements is wholly irrelevant to both SR and GR.

Talking to yourself again?




Are there any anti-relativists who respect Einstein and the theories?

What do you mean 'respect theories'? I have taken the time to
thoroughly study both SR and GR where both have nothing to do with
Einstein except were named so by him. What I have discovered if I
don' label both SR and GR as absurd conjectures, I would be guilty of
lying. The hypotheses of both SR and GR are utterly nonsense but fun
to learn though.

"Daryl McCullough" wrote in message
...
Michael Helland says...

I noticed most of the anti-relativists get insulting on the personal
level with Einstein and usually anyone that accepts relativity.

Are there any anti-relativists who respect Einstein and the theories?

*Most* physicists are anti-relativists in the sense that
(1) they know that Special Relativity is wrong; it is only
a limiting case of General Relativity.

Well. . its not acutally wrong .. but it does only give an approximation, as
in practice there are (other) GR effects in play as well .. but often those
other effecs are minimal (eg if SR is being used at a single gravitational
potential throughout, then no GR effect due to differing gravitational
potentials).

(2) they believe that General Relativity will one day be
seen to be a limiting case of a theory that incorporates
quantum mechanics and gravity.

Indeed .. Relativity isn't the be-all and end-all of physics. But those
suggesting we go backwards to already refuted theories do look rather silly.

The arguments in this newsgroup are not between pro-relativity
and anti-relativity partisans. They are arguments between people
who understand relativity and people who don't. (By far, those
who don't understand relativity tend to be anti-relativity, but
there are a few exceptions.)

Indeed. Well said.

"Koobee Wublee" wrote in message
...
On Jan 28, 7:50 am, Michael Helland wrote:

I noticed most of the anti-relativists get insulting on the personal
level with Einstein and usually anyone that accepts relativity.

What do you mean 'insulting Einstein'? Do you not know he was long
dead? Describing anything about Einstein other than using the words
like 'nitwit', 'plagiarist', and 'liar' would be guilty of lying. To
me, it is you who is offended by that because you worship that nitwit,
that plagiarist, that liar as a demi-god. shrug

Are there any anti-relativists who respect Einstein and the theories?

What do you mean 'respect theories'? I have taken the time to
thoroughly study both SR and GR where both have nothing to do with
Einstein except were named so by him. What I have discovered if I
don' label both SR and GR as absurd conjectures, I would be guilty of
lying. The hypotheses of both SR and GR are utterly nonsense but fun
to learn though.

Thanks for so nicely illustrating the OP's point.

On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 07:50:35 -0800 (PST), Michael Helland
wrote:

I noticed most of the anti-relativists get insulting on the personal
level with Einstein and usually anyone that accepts relativity.

Yes. Being continually bombarded with stupidity and fanaticism is most
frustrating and causes one to resort the occasional nasty word.

Are there any anti-relativists who respect Einstein and the theories?

I suppose we should respect any master confidence trickster who achieved fame
and fortune and didn't get caught till after he died. After all, we often do
the same with bent cops, corrupt politicians and faith healers.

As for his theory, it is not even as credible as my 'constant density' theory.

LAW: THE DENSITY OF THE UNIVERSE IS CONSTANT. SPACE DISTORTS TO MAKE IT APPEAR
OTHERWISE.

(The distance from here to Andromeda is really only about two hundred metres).

Prove I'm wrong.



Henri Wilson. ASTC,BSc,DSc(T)

www.users.bigpond.com/hewn/index.htm