To Kev From Smart1234 Concerning A Comment He Made About God

Thanks for pointing out to me showing that God killed kids using a
reference in the Book of Samuel. I didn't know God did this. It enlightened me
about the Old Testament God. I thought He was Love. I never really read the
whole bible. So what else does this imply about this God? Well if He says He
can't be judged because He is God and that He never sinned, well let's look at
origin sin. Adam and Eve were found guilty of reading a book of the knowledge
of good and evil when told not to. Okay but, who told God He could read the
forbidden book? If this book causes death, shouldn't He die too? Do I rebel
against God? No. I think this God should repent of His own sins and find
forgiveness through Jesus Christ. When Jesus Christ was here on earth He even
had to change laws made by the Old Testament God. In my opinion, the God of the
Old Testament isn't God. I believe Jesus Christ is the only One God. His ways
showed that He was Love and Mercy and Forgiveness The Way, The Truth and The
Life. God is Love. The Old Testament God is not love, but one of punishment and
judgement and wrath for sinners. But what good is judgement and law if we are
all guilty according to the Old Testament God. Doesn't these defeat the purpose
of punishment which was to promote life? Punishment is used to protect and give
life to others not guilty. But if all are guilty, this defeats it's purpose to
give life. Sin judgement brings death not life. Mercy and forgiveness and love
brings life. Jesus Christ is the only God I know. There is only one God, not
two. So through the Spirit of Jesus and Himself, we can have life. Jesus Christ
not only saved us, He had to have saved the Old Testament God too, if He still
believed in Him. Look at the Our Father Prayer..... .


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To Kev From Smart1234 Concerning A Comment He Made About God

Thanks for pointing out to me showing that God killed kids using a
reference in the Book of Samuel. I didn't know God did this. It enlightened me
about the Old Testament God. I thought He was Love. I never really read the
whole bible. So what else does this imply about this God? Well if He says He
can't be judged because He is God and that He never sinned, well let's look at
origin sin. Adam and Eve were found guilty of reading a book of the knowledge
of good and evil when told not to. Okay but, who told God He could read the
forbidden book? If this book causes death, shouldn't He die too? Do I rebel
against God? No. I think this God should repent of His own sins and find
forgiveness through Jesus Christ. When Jesus Christ was here on earth He even
had to change laws made by the Old Testament God. In my opinion, the God of the
Old Testament isn't God. I believe Jesus Christ is the only One God. His ways
showed that He was Love and Mercy and Forgiveness The Way, The Truth and The
Life. God is Love. The Old Testament God is not love, but one of punishment and
judgement and wrath for sinners. But what good is judgement and law if we are
all guilty according to the Old Testament God. Doesn't these defeat the purpose
of punishment which was to promote life? Punishment is used to protect and give
life to others not guilty. But if all are guilty, this defeats it's purpose to
give life. Sin judgement brings death not life. Mercy and forgiveness and love
brings life. Jesus Christ is the only God I know. There is only one God, not
two. So through the Spirit of Jesus and Himself, we can have life. Jesus Christ
not only saved us, He had to have saved the Old Testament God too, if He still
believed in Him. Look at the Our Father Prayer..... .


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Strange ponderings for a guy who has said in another post:

"I was there before time started. They followed."

And for a guy who claimed to have been an archangel!

I thought you would already know everything that is in the Bible
without even having to read it!

How can your theory be so divinely inspired when you are not even sure
yet about the nature of God, or even who he is?

Double-A

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To Kev From Smart1234 Concerning A Comment He Made About God

Thanks for pointing out to me showing that God killed kids using a
reference in the Book of Samuel. I didn't know God did this. It enlightened
me
about the Old Testament God. I thought He was Love. I never really read
the
whole bible. So what else does this imply about this God? Well if He says
He
can't be judged because He is God and that He never sinned, well let's look
at
origin sin. Adam and Eve were found guilty of reading a book of the
knowledge
of good and evil when told not to. Okay but, who told God He could read the
forbidden book? If this book causes death, shouldn't He die too? Do I rebel
against God? No. I think this God should repent of His own sins and find
forgiveness through Jesus Christ. When Jesus Christ was here on earth He
even
had to change laws made by the Old Testament God. In my opinion, the God of
the
Old Testament isn't God. I believe Jesus Christ is the only One God. His
ways
showed that He was Love and Mercy and Forgiveness The Way, The Truth and
The
Life. God is Love. The Old Testament God is not love, but one of punishment
and
judgement and wrath for sinners. But what good is judgement and law if we
are
all guilty according to the Old Testament God. Doesn't these defeat the
purpose
of punishment which was to promote life? Punishment is used to protect and
give
life to others not guilty. But if all are guilty, this defeats it's purpose
to
give life. Sin judgement brings death not life. Mercy and forgiveness and
love
brings life. Jesus Christ is the only God I know. There is only one God,
not
two. So through the Spirit of Jesus and Himself, we can have life. Jesus
Christ
not only saved us, He had to have saved the Old Testament God too, if He
still
believed in Him. Look at the Our Father Prayer..... .


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http://pub39.bravenet.com/forum/show...20272813&cpv=1
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Strange ponderings for a guy who has said in another post:

"I was there before time started. They followed."

And for a guy who claimed to have been an archangel!

I thought you would already know everything that is in the Bible
without even having to read it!

How can your theory be so divinely inspired when you are not even sure
yet about the nature of God, or even who he is?

Double-A

I am like a mirror. I show you yourself as a reflection of you. Am I God?
No. Is there a free will choice? Yes.

During the analysis of the universes, I have decided that there should be 3
universes.

1) This Old Universe - death & hell and life cycles and suffering with
reincarnation.
2) The New Universe with sex and marriage relationships within the bounds of
love.
3) The New Universe without sex and marriage relationships within the bounds of
love..

The structure of the future universe will be like a lithium atom. We will
then observe which universe will be the most successful throughout eternity.
None of the 3 universes will be allowed to cross over, to maintain security and
peacefulness and purity. The final perfected universe will spring up out of the
three.

You have your free will choice granted at all times.


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To Kev From Smart1234 Concerning A Comment He Made About God

Thanks for pointing out to me showing that God killed kids using a
reference in the Book of Samuel.



What verse exactly? You've got me curious.



I didn't know God did this. It enlightened
me
about the Old Testament God. I thought He was Love. I never really read
the
whole bible. So what else does this imply about this God? Well if He says
He
can't be judged because He is God and that He never sinned, well let's look
at
origin sin. Adam and Eve were found guilty of reading a book of the
knowledge
of good and evil when told not to. Okay but, who told God He could read the
forbidden book? If this book causes death, shouldn't He die too? Do I rebel
against God? No. I think this God should repent of His own sins and find
forgiveness through Jesus Christ. When Jesus Christ was here on earth He
even
had to change laws made by the Old Testament God. In my opinion, the God of
the
Old Testament isn't God. I believe Jesus Christ is the only One God. His
ways
showed that He was Love and Mercy and Forgiveness The Way, The Truth and
The
Life. God is Love. The Old Testament God is not love, but one of punishment
and
judgement and wrath for sinners. But what good is judgement and law if we
are
all guilty according to the Old Testament God. Doesn't these defeat the
purpose
of punishment which was to promote life? Punishment is used to protect and
give
life to others not guilty. But if all are guilty, this defeats it's purpose
to
give life. Sin judgement brings death not life. Mercy and forgiveness and
love
brings life. Jesus Christ is the only God I know. There is only one God,
not
two. So through the Spirit of Jesus and Himself, we can have life. Jesus
Christ
not only saved us, He had to have saved the Old Testament God too, if He
still
believed in Him. Look at the Our Father Prayer..... .


Smart's Alt. Physics News Group
http://pub39.bravenet.com/forum/show...20272813&cpv=1
S. Enterprize (Science Journal)
http://smart1234.s-enterprize.com/


Strange ponderings for a guy who has said in another post:

"I was there before time started. They followed."

And for a guy who claimed to have been an archangel!

I thought you would already know everything that is in the Bible
without even having to read it!

How can your theory be so divinely inspired when you are not even sure
yet about the nature of God, or even who he is?

Double-A

I am like a mirror. I show you yourself as a reflection of you. Am I God?
No.


I'm glad you cleared that up. I was beginning to worry about those lighting bolts!


Is there a free will choice? Yes.

During the analysis of the universes, I have decided that there should be 3
universes.

1) This Old Universe - death & hell and life cycles and suffering with
reincarnation.
2) The New Universe with sex and marriage relationships within the bounds of
love.
3) The New Universe without sex and marriage relationships within the bounds of
love..

The structure of the future universe will be like a lithium atom.


In what regard?


We will
then observe which universe will be the most successful throughout eternity.
None of the 3 universes will be allowed to cross over, to maintain security and
peacefulness and purity. The final perfected universe will spring up out of the
three.

You have your free will choice granted at all times.


Smart's Alt. Physics News Group
http://pub39.bravenet.com/forum/show...20272813&cpv=1
S. Enterprize (Science Journal)
http://smart1234.s-enterprize.com/


Double-A

Thanks for pointing out to me showing that God killed kids using a
reference in the Book of Samuel. I didn't know God did this. It enlightened me
about the Old Testament God. I thought He was Love. I never really read the
whole bible. So what else does this imply about this God? Well if He says He
can't be judged because He is God and that He never sinned, well let's look at
origin sin. Adam and Eve were found guilty of reading a book of the knowledge
of good and evil when told not to.

I always thought it was an apple...

Okay but, who told God He could read the forbidden book?

Who said He read this book? If He created everything, then He would
know what was in the book, 'cos He wrote it, and wouldn't have to read
it...

If this book causes death, shouldn't He die too?

Very difficult to assign a concept such as death to an omnipotentant
immortal entity...

Do I rebel against God? No. I think this God should repent of His own sins
and find forgiveness through Jesus Christ.

How can Jesus give forgiveness to God? God created Jesus...

When Jesus Christ was here on earth He even
had to change laws made by the Old Testament God.

How can He do that? God is infallable, according to the Christian
religion. God does not make mistakes, God's laws cannot be changed. If
you're omnipotent, you know everything so would get it right first
time...

In my opinion, the God of the
Old Testament isn't God. I believe Jesus Christ is the only One God.

So Jesus must have created the universe and God, surely?

His ways
showed that He was Love and Mercy and Forgiveness The Way, The Truth and The
Life. God is Love. The Old Testament God is not love, but one of punishment
and judgement and wrath for sinners.

Please realise the bible was written by man. Not God. Even if one
accepts that it was originally the word of God, it has been changed
and written by man. This is why your God appears evil and vengeful -
what better way to keep a population in check than to give them an all
powerful, cruel entity to fear?

But what good is judgement and law if we are
all guilty according to the Old Testament God. Doesn't these defeat the
purpose of punishment which was to promote life?

Punishment is not necessarily done to promote life...

Punishment is used to protect and give life to others not guilty.

That's an incredibly optimistic view. Lots of punishments have been
conferred for other, more selfish reasons. The Spanish Inquisition
weren't protecting life when they punished people for being
heathens...

But if all are guilty, this defeats it's purpose to give life.

I think the concept of original sin is to give a person the ability to
overcome their weaknesses, to improve themselves. If you haven't done
anything wrong, complaceny will se in.

Sin judgement brings death not life.

Sin judgement brings one person's views to another, usually in quite a
cruel way if we look at history. What I may consider a sin could be
completely different to another's view. As with many religious
concepts, sin is another way for a small, priveledged group to enforce
their beliefs on the masses.

Mercy and forgiveness and love brings life.

And CPR.

Jesus Christ is the only God I know.

You should perhaps stop using the term God in this sense; it gets
confused with the bible's version.

There is only one God, not two.

If God is omnipotent and all powerful, then there can be as many Gods
as God wishes...

So through the Spirit of Jesus and Himself, we can have life.

Please at least consider the alternatives though - you're questioning
your religion much more these days, which is a good thing. We should
always be willing to question our beliefs and ideas. But you're still
holding on to the principle that the bible is basically right, and
this Jesus guy really was the Messiah.

Jesus Christ not only saved us, He had to have saved the Old Testament God
too, if He still believed in Him.

Don't try and make the two testaments compatible - they're just not.
Inconsistent not only with each other, but within themselves too.

Look at the Our Father Prayer..... .

I think you're not picking up the intended meaning of that prayer...

Kev

Thanks for pointing out to me showing that God killed kids using a
reference in the Book of Samuel. I didn't know God did this. It enlightened
me
about the Old Testament God. I thought He was Love. I never really read
the
whole bible. So what else does this imply about this God? Well if He says
He
can't be judged because He is God and that He never sinned, well let's look
at
origin sin. Adam and Eve were found guilty of reading a book of the
knowledge
of good and evil when told not to.

I always thought it was an apple...


Where does it say apple?


Okay but, who told God He could read the forbidden book?

Who said He read this book? If He created everything, then He would
know what was in the book, 'cos He wrote it, and wouldn't have to read
it...


How said He wrote it?



If this book causes death, shouldn't He die too?

Very difficult to assign a concept such as death to an omnipotentant
immortal entity...

Death to self can also symbolically mean the denial of self without
physical death.


Do I rebel against God? No. I think this God should repent of His own sins
and find forgiveness through Jesus Christ.

How can Jesus give forgiveness to God? God created Jesus...


Says who? " In the beginnning was the Word, The Word with with God, The
Word was God" . God didn't create Jesus. He is The Word.


When Jesus Christ was here on earth He even
had to change laws made by the Old Testament God.

How can He do that? God is infallable, according to the Christian
religion. God does not make mistakes, God's laws cannot be changed. If
you're omnipotent, you know everything so would get it right first
time...

Who says the God of the Old Testament is God Almighty? There is two forms of
God, The Son of Man, and The Son Of God. The Son of Man is the Old Testament
God and Jesus Christ said He isn't good. The New Testament God is Jesus. He
improved the Old Testament. He is good.


In my opinion, the God of the
Old Testament isn't God. I believe Jesus Christ is the only One God.

So Jesus must have created the universe and God, surely?

That's right but He showed His humbleness by reducing Himself to a servant
which proves the absolute power didn't corrupt Him. But in the end we see He is
the ONLY One God.



His ways
showed that He was Love and Mercy and Forgiveness The Way, The Truth and
The
Life. God is Love. The Old Testament God is not love, but one of punishment

and judgement and wrath for sinners.

Please realise the bible was written by man. Not God. Even if one
accepts that it was originally the word of God, it has been changed
and written by man. This is why your God appears evil and vengeful -
what better way to keep a population in check than to give them an all
powerful, cruel entity to fear?

The bible was written by Men "inspired" by God. So we do have at least
something we can go by that shows how God exists, in the eyes of Man.



But what good is judgement and law if we are
all guilty according to the Old Testament God. Doesn't these defeat the
purpose of punishment which was to promote life?

Punishment is not necessarily done to promote life...


Yes it is. To protect others, they have life. But when ALL are guilty then
this defeats the purpose of law, punishment and judgement. So mercy and
forgiveness with new starts in life gives life.



Punishment is used to protect and give life to others not guilty.

That's an incredibly optimistic view. Lots of punishments have been
conferred for other, more selfish reasons. The Spanish Inquisition
weren't protecting life when they punished people for being
heathens...

The Spanish Inquisition was a mistake I agree. But this was just a gang of
religious fanatics, not the way God thinks. Jesus preached, Love one another.



But if all are guilty, this defeats it's purpose to give life.

I think the concept of original sin is to give a person the ability to
overcome their weaknesses, to improve themselves. If you haven't done
anything wrong, complaceny will se in.

Nope, original sin was a bad choice made by Adam and Eve. One doesn't need
sin to improve. We can grow with intelligent gradual enlightenment. Why sit on
the train tracks to see if a train running over you hurts or not. We can learn
this by intelligent enlightenment.



Sin judgement brings death not life.

Sin judgement brings one person's views to another, usually in quite a
cruel way if we look at history. What I may consider a sin could be
completely different to another's view. As with many religious
concepts, sin is another way for a small, priveledged group to enforce
their beliefs on the masses.

Sin is basically something that reduces life and takes away from the truth
of life and love. Sin can be a just mistake. So what do we do with sin? Try to
improve and dwell on the future not on the past, in the present, and how we can
re-new our life.




Mercy and forgiveness and love brings life.

And CPR.

Jesus Christ is the only God I know.

You should perhaps stop using the term God in this sense; it gets
confused with the bible's version.

God means the supreme highest being. Man isn't God.



There is only one God, not two.

If God is omnipotent and all powerful, then there can be as many Gods
as God wishes...

Nope. There can only be one God. There isn't enough room for two Gods, they
run into each other. Then they have to decide who exists in the same space. It
doesn't work. Gods can exist temporarily however together to decide who is the
real One Supreme God by showing their works.



So through the Spirit of Jesus and Himself, we can have life.

Please at least consider the alternatives though - you're questioning
your religion much more these days, which is a good thing. We should
always be willing to question our beliefs and ideas. But you're still
holding on to the principle that the bible is basically right, and
this Jesus guy really was the Messiah.

The bible shows an improvement from the Old Testament to the New Testament.
From my own experience I think Jesus is the only One God.



Jesus Christ not only saved us, He had to have saved the Old Testament God
too, if He still believed in Him.

Don't try and make the two testaments compatible - they're just not.
Inconsistent not only with each other, but within themselves too.

An improvement...



Look at the Our Father Prayer..... .

I think you're not picking up the intended meaning of that prayer...

Symbolic meanings... .


Kev



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