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Time is not a property of space............................................. .................................................. ..............................



 
 
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Old September 17th 03 posted to sci.physics,sci.physics.electromag,alt.sci.physics.new-theories
Mathew Orman
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Default Time is not a property of space............................................. .................................................. ..............................

Cut and paste from my previous posts:


Particle move in space and time is the ratio of motions between this
particle and the reference motion represented by
instruments like clocks.
There is all the evidence that space exist.
There is no connection between space and time that means that one has no
physical influence on the other.
The definition of space does not exist if there are no objects of matter.
The definition of time does not exist if there is no motion of matter in
space.
Space has no shape or dimension only the object of matter in space have
dimensions and shapes.
Bending is a process describing the change of geometrical shape of a
material object.
Bending of space is impossible because ones again the space have no shape or
dimension.
All statements above where proven true in physical experiments.

My definition of time states that time is only a ration of motion of objects
of matter.
My definition of time is based on physical evidence and only defines the
practical scientific aspect of it that can be measured with physical
instruments and can be proven in a physical experiment.
The geometric time definition only exists if the geometry of the matter is
changing and does not state that
time is a ratio of motion.
Feather more there is the only one way of measuring what is called the time
and that is the way of measuring the ratio of motion.
All clocking devices which represent the reference motion are based on
periodic motion of matter (particles or waves).

The property of matter that cannot be measured or detected has only a
philosophical or metaphysical application.

I do not tolerate fallacy!
Physics are about properties of reality!
If you say that there exist a property of space that you call space-time
than if you do not provide physical evidence of that property.
Than I will immediately call you theory FALSE or Sci-Fi.

Sincerely,
ps.

My theory of relativity:
Everything in the universe is relative!


My definition of time:
Time is a ratio of motions and is always measured as such,
ratio between measured and reference motions.
The reference motions are periodic (pendulums clocks) or linear (predictable
displacements).
Example:
I walk 5m while clocks pendulum swings 3 times(periodic reference).
I walk 3m while 1kg weight falls down from the height of 1m at see level at
20deg centigrade etc.(predictable displacement reference)
Time is a method of measuring or synchronizing motions.
Anything else is Sci-Fi!

The has not been a single experiment proving that static fields of any know
kind can propagate.
Propagation of any static field can only be done by moving its source.
The source of gravity always contains matter in forms of atoms it exits with
the matter and it can be controlled by changing the densities of the matter.
Changes in gravity detected on the earth are the results of planetary
motions in the universe not by
propagation of the gravity field.
The precision clocks (reference periodic motion counters) are based on
counting periodic motion of the electrons in specially chosen
atoms. Which means that they are affected by gravity and gravity forces
differ with the altitude change above the earth.
Saying that time goes slower is correct since in my definition time is a
ratio of motions not a constant derive from c.
The space and matter in its various form exists, but the definition of time
only exists if there is matter in motion.
Every atom in the universe has it own gravity field.

Well, if you build your theory on definition used in existing theories,
than that means that you are attempting to modify an or improve the
existing ones.
The existing theories your are creating your vocabulary based up on, have
faults and lack of experimental
prove, so your modified theories will carry on the unreliable and unproven
elements.
The new theories should be based on prime definition and proven in physical
experiments.
Your asking to agree with your statements may result in endless waste of
time.

So let's present new and solid theories instead and have discussions about
them!

When you try to measure time than you will notice
that all you are doing is measuring a ratio of motions!
No motion, no time can be measured.

Assumption of nonexistent property.
Clocks do not keep time.
They count repetitive motion.
There is no definition of "proper time".

Simple, it is repetitive motion.
And time is a ratio of motion,
so to measure the repetitive motion of the first clock we use the count of
more grainer
motion.
The same applies to distance between the marks on given rule,
one uses the more grainer ruler and so on.
And this metrology logic is several thousand years old.

Now since we know what clock do, maybe now you can define the "proper
time"?

There is a hierahical existence of definitions and that is:
Definition of space exists only if there are objects of matter.
Definition of time exists if there is motion of matter.
Definition of space distance exists if there is a ratio of size of objects
of matter.
And so on...

No,
motion passes in ratio of time.
Time is a method and not a property of space.
We measure time by comparing reference motion to measured motion.
Examples:
I walk 3m (measured motion) while clock swings his pendulum 2 times
(reference motion).
I walk 1.2m (measured motion) while weight of 1kg drops down from height
of 1m at sea level and 20deg centigrade temperature (reference motion)..
For practical reasons humans agreed to use period motion as a reference
motion.
We use planetary periodic motion and its subdivisions (day, hour,sec etc..)
as the reference motion
for measuring and or synchronizing motions.


As an engineer I describe your time in the following way:
Time is a reference count for synchronizing the human motion.
Clocks are the mechanisms of distributing the reference count.
Distributed reference count allow people and machines to move synchronously.
Finally clocks do not measure time(time is the method) but count periodic
motion.
"What time it is?" people and machines are asking when they choose to find
if and when their motion is
out of phase.
Connecting time with the space has no useful practical porpoise.
Space-time is a word invented by GTR inventers and
despite wishful thinking, it does not alter the motion of the matter.


Sincerely,

Mathew Orman
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Old September 17th 03 posted to sci.physics,sci.physics.electromag,alt.sci.physics.new-theories
Cecil Moore
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Default Time is not a property of space............................................. .................................................. ..............................

Mathew Orman wrote:
Space has no shape or dimension only the object of matter in space have
dimensions and shapes.


Bending of space is impossible because ones again the space have no shape or
dimension.


In classical logic, the above is known as petitio principii.
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"Cecil Moore" wrote in message
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Mathew Orman wrote:
Space has no shape or dimension only the object of matter in space have
dimensions and shapes.


Bending of space is impossible because ones again the space have no

shape or
dimension.


In classical logic, the above is known as petitio principii.
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I call it *prime definition*

Sincerely,

Mathew Orman
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Default Time is not a property of space............................................. .................................................. ..............................

Mathew Orman wrote:
I call it *prime definition*


My Mother beat you to it. She said
"God exists and is the cause of everything."
How's that for a *prime definition*?
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"Cecil Moore" wrote in message
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Mathew Orman wrote:
I call it *prime definition*


My Mother beat you to it. She said
"God exists and is the cause of everything."
How's that for a *prime definition*?
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It is very good.
But than we ask: what is the cause of God?

Sincerely,

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Old September 17th 03 posted to sci.physics,sci.physics.electromag,alt.sci.physics.new-theories
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Default Time is not a property of space............................................. .................................................. ..............................

Mathew Orman wrote:
It is very good.
But than we ask: what is the cause of God?


Good question, but then we ask: What is the cause of your prime definition?
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Old September 18th 03 posted to sci.physics,sci.physics.electromag,alt.sci.physics.new-theories
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Default Time is not a property of space............................................. .................................................. ..............................


"Cecil Moore" wrote in message
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Mathew Orman wrote:
It is very good.
But than we ask: what is the cause of God?


Good question, but then we ask: What is the cause of your prime

definition?
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But than we are back to previous question

Sincerely,

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Time is much more important than space. Spacetime contracts in the
direction of an accelerating object. Bert

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"G=EMC^2 Glazier" wrote in message
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Time is much more important than space. Spacetime contracts in the
direction of an accelerating object. Bert


I wish it was true.

Sincerely,

Mathew Orman
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Old September 19th 03 posted to alt.sci.physics.new-theories
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"G=EMC^2 Glazier" wrote in message
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Time is much more important than space.

I disagree. Without space what is time? Without time what is space?


Spacetime contracts in the
direction of an accelerating object. Bert







I wish it was true.

Sincerely,

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