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John Smith wrote:
"George Hammond" wrote in message ... On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 10:40:47 +0100, "Andy F." wrote: "George Hammond" wrote in message ... On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 02:44:02 +0100, "Andy F." wrote: "George Hammond" wrote in message ... On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 12:46:25 +0100, "Andy F." wrote: "George Hammond" wrote in message ... On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 01:09:01 +0100, "Andy F." wrote: [Andy F.] There's a human opinion based on sensory perception that the universe has been around for billions of years. [Hammond] There is overwhelming evidence based on scientific deduction that *IF* a person existed a billion years ago, then he would have indeed observed the Universe to exist. I throughly agree with that and anybody who doesn't is certifiably either crazy or incompetent. [Andy F.] This means the universe existed before humans did. [Hammond] WRONG, DEAD WRONG ANDY. 1) The "existence", of anything, depends entirely on the sensory perception of Man. There IS NO definition of the word "existence" that is independent of the action of a HUMAN observer. Proof: If all men died tomorrow at 9am, there would no longer be any way to ascertain at 9:01am if ANYTHING whatsoever "existed". The word "existence" has no meaning whatsoever without the existence of human beings. 2) But what your statement above says, is that circumstantial evidence indicates (indeed conclusively) that *IF* a human observer existed a billion years ago, then he "would have" observed that the Universe "existed". And I thoroughly agree with that statement. An event has to happen BEFORE it can be observed.The light from an object has to travel to your eyes before you can see it. If the object is close by, this takes a few billionths of a second.When you look at the sun, you're seeing what was there 8 minutes ago.And if you look through a powerful telescope, you can observe events which hapened millions of years ago. [Hammond] Idiocy, the Universe didn't "exist" until the human race arrived to "make" it exist by seeing it. Makes no difference that the light took 13 billion years to get here, it didn't "exist" until the human race arrived to see it. 3) However, in point of fact, no such human observer did exist a billion years ago, therefore, by paragraph 1 above, the Universe actually did *NOT* "exist" a billion years ago.... even though it "would have" if anybody was around to see it. [Andy F.] So it's not possible for humans to have created the universe. [Hammond] Wrong again. The above proof demonstrates conclusively that Man "caused" the Universe to come into "existence" since ONLY A HUMAN can confirm that anything "exists". In short, "existence" is a PROPERTY of the human mind. No people, no existence, of anything! But a human can't confirm that something exists until after it exists.Which would make it logically impossible for anything to come into existence. [Hammond] Idiot..... nothing existed until Humans arrived to "make" it exist by seeing it. You're an imbecile who will never rise above moronic world games... I suggest you try crossword puzzles. Moron. OK. As soon as you've explained how you can 'see' something that doesn't exist, I'll go and do the crossword., [Hammond] Simple: You come into existence, and when you come into existence anything you see "exists". That doesn't explain anything George doesn't ever explain anything - he just bellows more and more ignorance ...... [Hammond] Horse****, it answers your question directly. see ................ It just looks like you don't understand the question. If the universe doesn't already exist, there's nothing to see. [ [Hammond] No... YOU don't understand the question, or the answer. It's SIMPLE: 1. If Man does not exist, then nothing exists. This is an unsupported assumption which is actually what you are trying to prove. Thus your "proof" is DOA. 2. When Man came into existence 200k yrs ago Time and the Universe came into existence simultaneously including it's 13 billion year evolutionary history. Man has been around much longer than that. You can go to Nice and see a hut which is 300,000 years old and go to Menton and see human artifacts from nearly a million years ago. the rest of your statement is laughable. Why? What "time" What universe? Why this paticular universe? Why this particular planet? Why this particular solar system? Where did this "Man" come from? Where did this "universe" come from? If you're too stupid to understand that, that's YOUR problem, not mine! You keep hoping people are stupid enough to swallow gigantic silly delusions but that has not happened so far. There is nothing stupid about not being able to understand psychotic insanity. |
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On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 20:33:49 -0700, doug doug@none wrote:
[Hammond] 1. If Man does not exist, then nothing exists. [Doug, Physics PhD claimant] This is an unsupported assumption which is actually what you are trying to prove. Thus your "proof" is DOA. [Hammond] YOU'RE STUPID! The SPOG is a 3 significant figure proven discovery that Psychometric Factor Analysis is CAUSALLY IDENTICAL to Linearized Gravity in Relativity. This is SCIENTIFIC PROOF that Man's "subjective reality" (subjective spacetime) differs by a MAJOR REATIVISTIC CURVATURE from "objective reality" (objective spacetime). This PROVES that the very long standing, indeed ancient, and historically unrefuted "unsupported assumption" you refer to above, is manifestly now a PROVEN FACT. QED, God isscientifically explained and proven. [Hammond] 2. When Man came into existence 200k yrs ago Time and the Universe came into existence simultaneously including it's 13 billion year evolutionary history. [Doug, phoney PhD Physics claimant] Man has been around much longer than that. You can go to Nice and see a hut which is 300,000 years old and go to Menton and see human artifacts from nearly a million years ago. the rest of your statement is laughable. [Hammond] Boy, you really are a stupid, shallow, aggravated imbecile! PhD in Physics, you gotta be kidding! Wikipedia at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human says: "DNA evidence indicates that modern humans originated in Africa about 200,000 years ago." 200.000 is the commonly accepted age of Homo Sapiens sapiens, your claims about Nice and Menton notwithstanding. Besides, you're arguing GRADE SCHOOL IRRELEVANT TRIVIA. A real PhD in Physics wouldn't be arguing 200 vs 300 thousand years or 12 vs. 13 gods when CLEARLY anyone with half a brain in his head can see that in the face of the discovery that has been made, such arguments are TRIVIAL AND IRRELEVANT. The conclusion is that you're JUST ANOTHER AGGRAVATED PHONEY. As for arguing that there are HSs artifacts from a million years ago, you're just stupid... there is no such thing.... asshole! [Hammond] You claim you're a physics PhD but refuse to post your CV and post anonymously so it can't be verified. If you're a Physics PhD then prove it by answering this Physics test question for us: What is the relationship between the Dirac Gamma matrices of QED and the Christoffel Symbols of General relativity? A 25 word answer will be sufficient. If you can't answer that question off the top of your head then you're an imposter and a phony. ANSWER THE QUESTION.... PUT UP OR SHUT UP ===================================== SCIENTIFIC PROOF OF GOD WEBSITE http://geocities.com/scientific_proof_of_god mirror site: http://proof-of-god.freewebsitehosting.com GOD=G_uv (a folk song on mp3) http://interrobang.jwgh.org/songs/hammond.mp3 ===================================== |
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"George Hammond" wrote in message ... On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 20:33:49 -0700, doug doug@none wrote: [Hammond] 1. If Man does not exist, then nothing exists. [Doug, Physics PhD claimant] This is an unsupported assumption which is actually what you are trying to prove. Thus your "proof" is DOA. [Hammond] YOU'RE STUPID! Evidence shows that he's a thousand tyimes smarter than you are............... The SPOG is a 3 significant figure proven discovery that Psychometric Factor Analysis is CAUSALLY IDENTICAL to Linearized Gravity in Relativity. It is not a "proven discpvery" when only one psychotically insane person keeps bellowing it ....... without either support from REAL scientists - or valid evdence. This is SCIENTIFIC PROOF that Man's "subjective reality" (subjective spacetime) differs by a MAJOR REATIVISTIC CURVATURE from "objective reality" (objective spacetime). This PROVES that the very long standing, indeed ancient, and historically unrefuted "unsupported assumption" you refer to above, is manifestly now a PROVEN FACT. QED, God isscientifically explained and proven. Certainly not by you and your deranged, alleged, "science" that follows none of the rules OF science! [Hammond] 2. When Man came into existence 200k yrs ago Time and the Universe came into existence simultaneously including it's 13 billion year evolutionary history. [Doug, phoney PhD Physics claimant] Man has been around much longer than that. You can go to Nice and see a hut which is 300,000 years old and go to Menton and see human artifacts from nearly a million years ago. the rest of your statement is laughable. [Hammond] Boy, you really are a stupid, shallow, aggravated imbecile! PhD in Physics, you gotta be kidding! Wikipedia at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human says: "DNA evidence indicates that modern humans originated in Africa about 200,000 years ago." 200.000 is the commonly accepted age of Homo Sapiens sapiens, your claims about Nice and Menton notwithstanding. Besides, you're arguing GRADE SCHOOL IRRELEVANT TRIVIA. A real PhD in Physics wouldn't be arguing 200 vs 300 thousand years or 12 vs. 13 gods when CLEARLY anyone with half a brain in his head can see that in the face of the discovery that has been made, such arguments are TRIVIAL AND IRRELEVANT. The conclusion is that you're JUST ANOTHER AGGRAVATED PHONEY. As for arguing that there are HSs artifacts from a million years ago, you're just stupid... there is no such thing.... asshole! [Hammond] You claim you're a physics PhD but refuse to post your CV and post anonymously so it can't be verified. If you're a Physics PhD then prove it by answering this Physics test question for us: What is the relationship between the Dirac Gamma matrices of QED and the Christoffel Symbols of General relativity? A 25 word answer will be sufficient. If you can't answer that question off the top of your head then you're an imposter and a phony. ANSWER THE QUESTION.... PUT UP OR SHUT UP Why? You totally ignore ALL questions and rebuttals that validly trash your S. P. O. Crap! Why should anyone answer your silly criteria questions when you can't even face up to HONEST and reality based SCIENCE? You're nothing more than a pile of ****, George ..... and you're even to dumb to know THAT! |
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"George Hammond" wrote in message
... CLEARLY anyone with half a brain in his head.. And even more clearly, anyone with more than half a brain in his head immediately recognises Hammond's irrational spewing as emanating from a severely deranged mind. Hammond must be a rare example of a literal half-wit. Marc |
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On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 09:52:50 GMT, "John Smith"
wrote: "George Hammond" wrote in message .. . On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 20:33:49 -0700, doug doug@none wrote: [Hammond] 1. If Man does not exist, then nothing exists. [Doug, phony Physics PhD claimant] This is an unsupported assumption which is actually what you are trying to prove. Thus your "proof" is DOA. [Hammond] YOU'RE STUPID! [John Smith, atheist] Evidence shows that he's a thousand tyimes smarter than you are............... [Hammond] The SPOG is a 3 significant figure proven discovery that Psychometric Factor Analysis is CAUSALLY IDENTICAL to Linearized Gravity in Relativity. [John Smith, atheist] It is not a "proven discpvery" when only one psychotically insane person keeps bellowing it ....... without either support from REAL scientists - or valid evdence. [Hammond] This is SCIENTIFIC PROOF that Man's "subjective reality" (subjective spacetime) differs by a MAJOR REATIVISTIC CURVATURE from "objective reality" (objective spacetime). This PROVES that the very long standing, indeed ancient, and historically unrefuted "unsupported assumption" you refer to above, is manifestly now a PROVEN FACT. QED, God isscientifically explained and proven. [John Smith, atheist] Certainly not by you and your deranged, alleged, "science" that follows none of the rules OF science! [Hammond] 2. When Man came into existence 200k yrs ago Time and the Universe came into existence simultaneously including it's 13 billion year evolutionary history. [Doug, phony PhD Physics claimant] Man has been around much longer than that. You can go to Nice and see a hut which is 300,000 years old and go to Menton and see human artifacts from nearly a million years ago. the rest of your statement is laughable. [Hammond] Boy, you really are a stupid, shallow, aggravated imbecile! PhD in Physics, you gotta be kidding! Wikipedia at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human says: "DNA evidence indicates that modern humans originated in Africa about 200,000 years ago." 200.000 is the commonly accepted age of Homo Sapiens sapiens, your claims about Nice and Menton notwithstanding. Besides, you're arguing GRADE SCHOOL IRRELEVANT TRIVIA. A real PhD in Physics wouldn't be arguing 200 vs 300 thousand years or 12 vs. 13 gods when CLEARLY anyone with half a brain in his head can see that in the face of the discovery that has been made, such arguments are TRIVIAL AND IRRELEVANT. The conclusion is that you're JUST ANOTHER AGGRAVATED PHONEY. As for arguing that there are HSs artifacts from a million years ago, you're just stupid... there is no such thing.... asshole! [Hammond] You claim you're a physics PhD but refuse to post your CV and post anonymously so it can't be verified. If you're a Physics PhD then prove it by answering this Physics test question for us: What is the relationship between the Dirac Gamma matrices of QED and the Christoffel Symbols of General relativity? A 25 word answer will be sufficient. If you can't answer that question off the top of your head then you're an imposter and a phony. ANSWER THE QUESTION.... PUT UP OR SHUT UP [John Smith, atheist] Why? You totally ignore ALL questions and rebuttals that validly trash your S. P. O. Crap! Why should anyone answer your silly criteria questions when you can't even face up to HONEST and reality based SCIENCE? [John Smith, atheist] You're nothing more than a pile of ****, George ..... and you're even to dumb to know THAT! [Hammond] You're a pile of **** and whipped cream with a cherry on top! ===================================== SCIENTIFIC PROOF OF GOD WEBSITE http://geocities.com/scientific_proof_of_god mirror site: http://proof-of-god.freewebsitehosting.com GOD=G_uv (a folk song on mp3) http://interrobang.jwgh.org/songs/hammond.mp3 ===================================== |
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On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 11:07:44 +0100, "marc"
wrote: "George Hammond" wrote in message .. . CLEARLY anyone with half a brain in his head.. And even more clearly, anyone with more than half a brain in his head immediately recognises Hammond's irrational spewing as emanating from a severely deranged mind. Hammond must be a rare example of a literal half-wit. Marc Gee whiz, is Marc really Cram spelled backwards? ===================================== SCIENTIFIC PROOF OF GOD WEBSITE http://geocities.com/scientific_proof_of_god mirror site: http://proof-of-god.freewebsitehosting.com GOD=G_uv (a folk song on mp3) http://interrobang.jwgh.org/songs/hammond.mp3 ===================================== |
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George Hammond wrote:
On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 20:33:49 -0700, doug doug@none wrote: [Hammond] 1. If Man does not exist, then nothing exists. [Doug, Physics PhD claimant] This is an unsupported assumption which is actually what you are trying to prove. Thus your "proof" is DOA. [Hammond] YOU'RE STUPID! The SPOG is a 3 significant figure proven discovery that Psychometric Factor Analysis is CAUSALLY IDENTICAL to Linearized Gravity in Relativity. This is SCIENTIFIC PROOF that Man's "subjective reality" (subjective spacetime) differs by a MAJOR REATIVISTIC CURVATURE from "objective reality" (objective spacetime). This PROVES that the very long standing, indeed ancient, and historically unrefuted "unsupported assumption" you refer to above, is manifestly now a PROVEN FACT. QED, God isscientifically explained and proven. This is just a bunch of word salad. There is no content to discuss here. Your earlier claim that 12=13 certainly is not accurate to 3 significant figures. Making statements that are just random and then trying to claim they are somehow proof of something does not fly with anyone, much less any scientists. [Hammond] 2. When Man came into existence 200k yrs ago Time and the Universe came into existence simultaneously including it's 13 billion year evolutionary history. [Doug, phoney PhD Physics claimant] Man has been around much longer than that. You can go to Nice and see a hut which is 300,000 years old and go to Menton and see human artifacts from nearly a million years ago. the rest of your statement is laughable. [Hammond] Boy, you really are a stupid, shallow, aggravated imbecile! PhD in Physics, you gotta be kidding! Wikipedia at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human says: "DNA evidence indicates that modern humans originated in Africa about 200,000 years ago." Humans come from a continuous line of evolution over a period of many millions of years. You may not like it but that is the scientific view. 200.000 is the commonly accepted age of Homo Sapiens sapiens, your claims about Nice and Menton notwithstanding. Besides, you're arguing GRADE SCHOOL IRRELEVANT TRIVIA. A real PhD in Physics wouldn't be arguing 200 vs 300 thousand years or 12 vs. 13 gods No, you are arguing 200,000 instead of a few million years. Look at the website for the museum in Menton and you will see the information about the million year old human artifacts. In science, when you are counting things, the difference between 12 and 13 as a prediction is a complete failure of the prediction. In any case, you missed the many millions of Hindu gods, not to mention the Mormons. when CLEARLY anyone with half a brain in his head can see that in the face of the discovery that has been made, such arguments are TRIVIAL AND IRRELEVANT. You are correct that presenting wrong numbers in support of random statements is irrelevant since the random statements you make are meaningless and thus irrelevent. The conclusion is that you're JUST ANOTHER AGGRAVATED PHONEY. You misspelled phony. You also seem to be the aggravated one. I am enjoying this. As for arguing that there are HSs artifacts from a million years ago, you're just stupid... there is no such thing.... asshole! So you have to ignore facts in a desperate attempt to not admit that you are wrong. Ignoring facts is generally considered to be bad science, particularly when you are wanting to prove something. I note your lack of facts requires you to resort to swearing. [Hammond] You claim you're a physics PhD but refuse to post your CV and post anonymously so it can't be verified. If you're a Physics PhD then prove it by answering this Physics test question for us: What is the relationship between the Dirac Gamma matrices of QED and the Christoffel Symbols of General relativity? A 25 word answer will be sufficient. If you can't answer that question off the top of your head then you're an imposter and a phony. ANSWER THE QUESTION.... PUT UP OR SHUT UP ===================================== SCIENTIFIC PROOF OF GOD WEBSITE http://geocities.com/scientific_proof_of_god mirror site: http://proof-of-god.freewebsitehosting.com GOD=G_uv (a folk song on mp3) http://interrobang.jwgh.org/songs/hammond.mp3 ===================================== |
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"marc" wrote in message ... "George Hammond" wrote in message ... CLEARLY anyone with half a brain in his head.. And even more clearly, anyone with more than half a brain in his head immediately recognises Hammond's irrational spewing as emanating from a severely deranged mind. Hammond must be a rare example of a literal half-wit. Marc and THAT's giving him the benefit of the doubt. |
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On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 12:31:27 -0700, none ""doug\"@(none)"
wrote: George Hammond wrote: On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 20:33:49 -0700, doug doug@none wrote: [Hammond] 1. If Man does not exist, then nothing exists. [Doug, Physics PhD claimant] This is an unsupported assumption which is actually what you are trying to prove. Thus your "proof" is DOA. [Hammond] YOU'RE STUPID! The SPOG is a 3 significant figure proven discovery that Psychometric Factor Analysis is CAUSALLY IDENTICAL to Linearized Gravity in Relativity. This is SCIENTIFIC PROOF that Man's "subjective reality" (subjective spacetime) differs by a MAJOR REATIVISTIC CURVATURE from "objective reality" (objective spacetime). This PROVES that the very long standing, indeed ancient, and historically unrefuted "unsupported assumption" you refer to above, is manifestly now a PROVEN FACT. QED, God isscientifically explained and proven. [Doug, unverified Physics Phd claimant] This is just a bunch of word salad. Hammond] Unsupported assertion. Fact is you are SCIENTIFICALLY UNQUALIFIED to even read the above statment because you don't even know what "Psychometry Factor Analysis" is, nor are you aware that there are "3 orthogonal cleaveages of the brain which CAUSE THE 13 "CUBIC" EIGENVECTORS of PSYCHOMETRY. You don't know what you're talking about. [Doug, unverified Physics Phd claimant] There is no content to discuss here. Hammond] Unsupported assertion. The only thing that is "no content" is your post. [Doug, unverified Physics Phd claimant] Your earlier claim that 12=13 certainly is not accurate to 3 significant figures. [Hammond] Never said it was. What I said is that the 13 Factor Analytic eigenvectors that represent the "Olympian Gods" are THEMSELVES MEASURED TO 3 SIGNFICANT FIGURE ACCURACY EXPERIMENTALLY. The fact that there are 13 rather than 12 is irrelevant in that it is only "approximately" known that the Egypto-Greco-Roman pantheon consisted of approximately "a dozen gods". [Doug, unverified Physics Phd claimant] Making statements that are just random and then trying to claim they are somehow proof of something does not fly with anyone, much less any scientists. [Hammond] The US Constitution and Einstein sound like "random words" to totally ignorant, lazy and aggravated people. That doesn't mean they are. Fact is, you simply don't know what you're talking about, and could care less.... you're interest doesn't go beyond comparing 12 to 13. You're just another psycho heckler. totally worthless. [Hammond] Snip rest of psycho drivel. ===================================== SCIENTIFIC PROOF OF GOD WEBSITE http://geocities.com/scientific_proof_of_god mirror site: http://proof-of-god.freewebsitehosting.com GOD=G_uv (a folk song on mp3) http://interrobang.jwgh.org/songs/hammond.mp3 ===================================== |
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George Hammond wrote:
On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 12:31:27 -0700, none ""doug\"@(none)" wrote: George Hammond wrote: On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 20:33:49 -0700, doug doug@none wrote: [Hammond] 1. If Man does not exist, then nothing exists. [Doug, Physics PhD claimant] This is an unsupported assumption which is actually what you are trying to prove. Thus your "proof" is DOA. [Hammond] YOU'RE STUPID! The SPOG is a 3 significant figure proven discovery that Psychometric Factor Analysis is CAUSALLY IDENTICAL to Linearized Gravity in Relativity. This is SCIENTIFIC PROOF that Man's "subjective reality" (subjective spacetime) differs by a MAJOR REATIVISTIC CURVATURE from "objective reality" (objective spacetime). This PROVES that the very long standing, indeed ancient, and historically unrefuted "unsupported assumption" you refer to above, is manifestly now a PROVEN FACT. QED, God isscientifically explained and proven. [Doug, unverified Physics Phd claimant] This is just a bunch of word salad. Hammond] Unsupported assertion. Fact is you are SCIENTIFICALLY UNQUALIFIED to even read the above statment because you don't even know what "Psychometry Factor Analysis" is, nor are you aware that there are "3 orthogonal cleaveages of the brain which CAUSE THE 13 "CUBIC" EIGENVECTORS of PSYCHOMETRY. You don't know what you're talking about. [Doug, unverified Physics Phd claimant] There is no content to discuss here. Hammond] Unsupported assertion. The only thing that is "no content" is your post. [Doug, unverified Physics Phd claimant] Your earlier claim that 12=13 certainly is not accurate to 3 significant figures. [Hammond] Never said it was. What I said is that the 13 Factor Analytic eigenvectors that represent the "Olympian Gods" are THEMSELVES MEASURED TO 3 SIGNFICANT FIGURE ACCURACY EXPERIMENTALLY. The fact that there are 13 rather than 12 is irrelevant in that it is only "approximately" known that the Egypto-Greco-Roman pantheon consisted of approximately "a dozen gods". You are making amazingly inconsistent claims. First you are claiming that the christian god is to only one and then you claim to have proof of the number of Greek gods. None of these are real. The egyptian gods are not real. You cannot make any proof about the number of things that are not real. [Doug, unverified Physics Phd claimant] Making statements that are just random and then trying to claim they are somehow proof of something does not fly with anyone, much less any scientists. [Hammond] The US Constitution and Einstein sound like "random words" to totally ignorant, lazy and aggravated people. That doesn't mean they are. Any educated person sees the coherence of the Constitution and scientists understand Einstein. However, your random babble means nothing and is just babble. Fact is, you simply don't know what you're talking about, and could care less.... you're interest doesn't go beyond comparing 12 to 13. You're just another psycho heckler. totally worthless. You really hate it when it is pointed out that you are wrong. I would have thought that you were used to it by now. Has anyone ever agreed with you. [Hammond] Snip rest of psycho drivel. No you left the drivel below still in the post. ===================================== SCIENTIFIC PROOF OF GOD WEBSITE http://geocities.com/scientific_proof_of_god mirror site: http://proof-of-god.freewebsitehosting.com GOD=G_uv (a folk song on mp3) http://interrobang.jwgh.org/songs/hammond.mp3 ===================================== |
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