On Mon, 05 May 2008 11:58:36 GMT, "John Smith"
wrote:


"Roger Pearse" wrote in message
...
On 4 May, 00:47, none ""doug\"@(none)" wrote:
Roger Pearsewrote:
On 3 May, 03:46, none ""doug\"@(none)" wrote:
Roger Pearsewrote:
On 28 Apr, 01:06, Uncle Al wrote:
George Hammond wrote:
[snip crap]
http://www.apa.org/journals/features/psp7761121.pdf
Dunning-Kruger effect (2000 Ig Nobel Prize): ignorance more
frequently begets confidence than does knowledge
1) Incompetent individuals tend to overestimate their own level of
skill.
2) Incompetent individuals fail to recognize genuine skill in
others.
3) Incompetent individuals fail to recognize the extremity of their
inadequacy.
No doubt. But I must say (as a pretty uninterested bystander) that
this seems to fulfil George's definition of 'mindless heckling' to a
tee. At all events it doesn't tell me anything useful; only that you
don't like what George has to say.
Surely, if a rational response can be made, why not put one together
on a web page, perhaps as an FAQ, and just link to it each time it
seems necessary.
Not that I care either way; my interest is limited to patristics.
All the best,
Roger Pearse
George has had his mistakes pointed out for years. He does not
want to learn from them. ...

Well, why not digest this into a web page, and just link to it?

There is no need to summarize and post a webpage about Hammond's
work. It is so outrageously wrong ...


[John Smith, incredulous bystander]
Although I don;t recall where it is; there is a web page showing all the
false and insane claims George has made (which pretty much includes
everything he's ever posted or written).


[Hammond]
It was posted in Augsberg Germany by a German truckdriver
and musician named Bernhard Schornak.... I went looking for
it the other day but discovered that his ISP has apparently
gone chapter 11 or and his anti-SPOG website is no longer up
and running. Maybe he's in jail or something?


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George Hammond wrote:
On Mon, 05 May 2008 09:16:48 -0700, none ""doug\"@(none)"
wrote:

Roger Pearse wrote:
On 5 May, 12:58, "John Smith" wrote:
"Roger Pearse" wrote in message
Well, why not digest this into a web page, and just link to it?
There is no need to summarize and post a webpage about Hammond's
work. It is so outrageously wrong ...
Although I don;t recall where it is; there is a web page showing all the
false and insane claims George has made (which pretty much includes
everything he's ever posted or written).
That's the sort of thing we need, written calmly and sensibly.

Well, I don't understand what George's theory is. But I don't learn
from any of these posts here what it is either.
What I do see is that all the posts which are critical of it (and him
-- surely irrelevant?) are no more than what George called
'heckling'.
The only valid point someone has made in defense of George was something
like "it's not nice to make fun of, and tease, the mentally
retarded."
While true, I haven't seen anybody make a valid point *against* George
yet.

All the best,

Roger Pearse
This is kind of sad. Lot of valid points against his nonsense have been
made. He just swears and insults in return.

Lets go over some of them. He predicts the Greeks had 13 gods. They
had 12. That is a valid scientific objection. His defense is to say
that they either could not count or did not care that they were wrong.

He claims his fusion frequency graph proves god. There is no connection
between these two things. He does not try to make a connection. He
just states it without any proof. He cannot give any proof because there
is none. You cannot refute baseless assertions if the other person is
not looking for the truth.

His theory is much like me claiming that you are a monster from outer
space in human form. You would then, logically, point out that you
are human and I would claim that that is proof of my statement since
only aliens could have the technology to make a perfect human appearing
being. Then when you brought out your baby pictures and school records,
I would start swearing and insulting.


[Hammond]
Hey, Phd physicist; tell us how a dog whistle works.....
tell us why half of the audible reality that a dog can hear
is audibally INVISIBLE to a human being?
And that proves god?

From that maybe you can figure out why the fact that a
kid has HALF the movie Picture Fusion Frequency of and adult
means that half the world that an adult can see is invisible
to the kid.

No. This is not true. Look up mpeg encoding for an example.
You are confusing motion with perception in general. An
object at rest is the same for everyone.

And then from that maybe youcan figure out
that since the Secualr Trend says that the average human is
only 80% fully grown,

So?

why it is that 20% of REALITY is
INVISIBLE

No. This has nothing to do with the above.

to the average person, and why it is called HEAVEN

No. Your first assumption was wrong and this does not even
have anything to do with heaven. The back side of the moon
is not visible to me either. Does that mean that heaven is
there?


and why the hypothetically fully grown man is considered an
INVISIBLE MAN who lives in this invisble world and is called
GOD.

This is not connected to anything above. Why would the hypothetically
full grown man be invisible to us? He moves to fast?
If there were an invisible being, there is no justification for your
calling it a man. You are just anthropomorphizing your god because
man created god in his own image.

Now, how would you test this hypothesis? Is the fact that your
god is invisible the proof? There is another option which is that
he is not there which cannot be excluded by your model. Maybe your
god is hiding somewhere else.


HALFASS, LOUDMOUTH, STUPID JACKASS!
=====================================
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http://geocities.com/scientific_proof_of_god
mirror site:
http://proof-of-god.freewebsitehosting.com
GOD=G_uv (a folk song on mp3)
http://interrobang.jwgh.org/songs/hammond.mp3
=====================================

On Mon, 05 May 2008 11:11:53 -0700, none ""doug\"@(none)"
wrote:

George Hammond wrote:



[Hammond]
Hey, Phd physicist; tell us how a dog whistle works.....
tell us why half of the audible reality that a dog can hear
is audibally INVISIBLE to a human being?


[Doug, alleged Physics PhD, SPOG heckler]
And that proves god?


[Hammond]
You bet your ass it does, and the faster you find out
about it the less egg you'll wind up with on your face.


[Doug, alleged Physics PhD, SPOG heckler]
From that maybe you can figure out why the fact that a
kid has HALF the movie Picture Fusion Frequency of and adult
means that half the world that an adult can see is invisible
to the kid.

No. This is not true.


[Hammond]
You don't know your ass fom your elbow.
In this world famous paper (I know Lehrl personally) you
will fined halfway through it the following statment:

"By a similar method, called ‘picture fusion’, Riedel (1966)
demonstrated that the time shortens as children mature. By
this method, which is explained in the next section, he
investigated children from 7 years (10 frames/s) onward to
15 years (15 frames/s).
It is remarkable that critical flicker fusion (30-50 Hz)
has nothing to do with the picture fusion (mean = 15-16 Hz).
Theoretically and empirically this was demonstrated by
Weidenhammer and Fischer (1985). Their findings are affirmed
by the fact that picture fusion is related to intelligence,
whereas, according to Jensen’s (1983) results, critical
flicker fusion has virtually no correlation with
intelligence."

This fundamental fact, that trhe PFF (frames/sec)
increases linearly with age in children, and linearly with
IQ (mental speed) in adults, is a well known and well
documented fact and has been known in the movie industry for
decades.
You don't know what you're tlking about.

[Hammond]
And then from that maybe youcan figure out
that since the Secualr Trend says that the average human is
only 80% fully grown,

So?

why it is that 20% of REALITY is
INVISIBLE

No. This has nothing to do with the above.

to the average person, and why it is called HEAVEN

No. Your first assumption was wrong and this does not even
have anything to do with heaven. The back side of the moon
is not visible to me either. Does that mean that heaven is
there?


and why the hypothetically fully grown man is considered an
INVISIBLE MAN who lives in this invisble world and is called
GOD.


[Doug, alleged Physics PhD, SPOG heckler]
This is not connected to anything above.


[Hammond]
Horse****, the cited evidence proves otherwise.


[Doug, alleged Physics PhD, SPOG heckler]
Why would the hypothetically
full grown man be invisible to us? He moves to fast?


[Hammond]
Of course asshole. In practical terms it means you can't
see his FACE (read his facial expression). How do you think
a psychotic fools so many people, he is INVIVISIBLE to the
average person, only people like ME (and law enforcement
agents and judges)) know who the guy is, because they know
what the phenomenon of God is! That's why I know you''re
actually and ignorant halfass nincompoop and your academic
friends think you're brilliant.... because you're a PSYCHO
and I can see you, and they can't. ****wit piece of trash.
=====================================
SCIENTIFIC PROOF OF GOD WEBSITE
http://geocities.com/scientific_proof_of_god
mirror site:
http://proof-of-god.freewebsitehosting.com
GOD=G_uv (a folk song on mp3)
http://interrobang.jwgh.org/songs/hammond.mp3
=====================================

George Hammond writes:

Hey, Phd physicist; tell us how a dog whistle works.....
tell us why half of the audible reality that a dog can hear
is audibally INVISIBLE to a human being?
From that maybe you can figure out why the fact that a
kid has HALF the movie Picture Fusion Frequency of and adult
means that half the world that an adult can see is invisible
to the kid.

Actually George has this backwards (no surprise here). Kids can hear
higher frequencies than adults and the ability to hear high frequencies
decreases with age. Google "mosquito ringtone" to see how kids take
advantage of this in schools and elsewhere.

On Mon, 5 May 2008 21:36:17 +0000 (UTC),
(Michael Moroney) wrote:

George Hammond writes:

Hey, Phd physicist; tell us how a dog whistle works.....
tell us why half of the audible reality that a dog can hear
is audibally INVISIBLE to a human being?
From that maybe you can figure out why the fact that a
kid has HALF the movie Picture Fusion Frequency of and adult
means that half the world that an adult can see is invisible
to the kid.

[Michael Moroney, heckler]
Actually George has this backwards (no surprise here). Kids can hear
higher frequencies than adults and the ability to hear high frequencies
decreases with age.



[Hammond]
Irrelevant heckler trivia. The next thing he'll do is
start posting about Flickker Fusion Frequency whaich has
NOTHING to do with it.
The following has been well researched and documented:

http://www.v-weiss.de/lehrl-full.html#_edn1
"By a similar method, called ‘picture fusion’ Riedel (1966)
demonstrated that the time shortens as children mature. By
this method, which is explained in the next section, he
investigated children from 7 years (10 frames/s) onward to
15 years (15 frames/s)."

Obviously from this well known data which is common
knowlege in the movie industry since the time of Thomas
Edison, a child cn only see 1/3 of the moving reality that
is visible to an adult. 2/3's OF REALITY IS INVISBLE !
Just like half of "dog world" is INAUDIBLE to a human being.
Go back to school moron. This is cut and dried science.
=====================================
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http://geocities.com/scientific_proof_of_god
mirror site:
http://proof-of-god.freewebsitehosting.com
GOD=G_uv (a folk song on mp3)
http://interrobang.jwgh.org/songs/hammond.mp3
=====================================

"Roger Pearse" wrote in message
...
On 5 May, 12:58, "John Smith" wrote:
"Roger Pearse" wrote in message
Well, why not digest this into a web page, and just link to it?

There is no need to summarize and post a webpage about Hammond's
work. It is so outrageously wrong ...

Although I don;t recall where it is; there is a web page showing all the
false and insane claims George has made (which pretty much includes
everything he's ever posted or written).

That's the sort of thing we need, written calmly and sensibly.

Well, I don't understand what George's theory is. But I don't learn
from any of these posts here what it is either.

What I do see is that all the posts which are critical of it (and him
-- surely irrelevant?) are no more than what George called
'heckling'.

The only valid point someone has made in defense of George was something
like "it's not nice to make fun of, and tease, the mentally
retarded."

While true, I haven't seen anybody make a valid point *against* George
yet.

There have been many; maybe you just weren't paying attention.
Most start out making valid points against what George claims - but they
soon find out that George is just an ignorant moron making the same crap
claims over and over again.

How about the latest - where George fraudulently cites his 40 year old CVs
as validation of his claims, then attacks someone who has a Ph.D. because
they aren't as smart (as he)?



All the best,

Roger Pearse

"George Hammond" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 05 May 2008 09:16:48 -0700, none ""doug\"@(none)"
wrote:

Roger Pearse wrote:
On 5 May, 12:58, "John Smith" wrote:
"Roger Pearse" wrote in message
Well, why not digest this into a web page, and just link to it?
There is no need to summarize and post a webpage about Hammond's
work. It is so outrageously wrong ...
Although I don;t recall where it is; there is a web page showing all
the
false and insane claims George has made (which pretty much includes
everything he's ever posted or written).

That's the sort of thing we need, written calmly and sensibly.

Well, I don't understand what George's theory is. But I don't learn
from any of these posts here what it is either.
What I do see is that all the posts which are critical of it (and him
-- surely irrelevant?) are no more than what George called
'heckling'.
The only valid point someone has made in defense of George was
something
like "it's not nice to make fun of, and tease, the mentally
retarded."

While true, I haven't seen anybody make a valid point *against* George
yet.

All the best,

Roger Pearse

This is kind of sad. Lot of valid points against his nonsense have been
made. He just swears and insults in return.

Lets go over some of them. He predicts the Greeks had 13 gods. They
had 12. That is a valid scientific objection. His defense is to say
that they either could not count or did not care that they were wrong.

He claims his fusion frequency graph proves god. There is no connection
between these two things. He does not try to make a connection. He
just states it without any proof. He cannot give any proof because there
is none. You cannot refute baseless assertions if the other person is
not looking for the truth.

His theory is much like me claiming that you are a monster from outer
space in human form. You would then, logically, point out that you
are human and I would claim that that is proof of my statement since
only aliens could have the technology to make a perfect human appearing
being. Then when you brought out your baby pictures and school records,
I would start swearing and insulting.


[Hammond]
Hey, Phd physicist; tell us how a dog whistle works.....
tell us why half of the audible reality that a dog can hear
is audibally INVISIBLE to a human being?

You don't know?
Hell, we learned that in high school.

There is no such thing as "audibly (correct spelling) invisible". It's
called "inaudible".



From that maybe you can figure out why the fact that a
kid has HALF the movie Picture Fusion Frequency of and adult
means that half the world that an adult can see is invisible
to the kid.

All one can figure from that is that you don't know your ass from a hole in
the ground!
You cannot take the differences between what a human and a dog can hear -
and transpose that to what two different humans can see.

Were you a REAL scientist - you would know that!




And then from that maybe youcan figure out
that since the Secualr Trend says that the average human is
only 80% fully grown, why it is that 20% of REALITY is
INVISIBLE to the average person, and why it is called HEAVEN
and why the hypothetically fully grown man is considered an
INVISIBLE MAN who lives in this invisble world and is called
GOD.
HALFASS, LOUDMOUTH, STUPID JACKASS!

Your claims about "secular trend" are nothing more than a pile of
"unsupported assertions" bull ****!

"George Hammond" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 5 May 2008 21:36:17 +0000 (UTC),
(Michael Moroney) wrote:

George Hammond writes:

Hey, Phd physicist; tell us how a dog whistle works.....
tell us why half of the audible reality that a dog can hear
is audibally INVISIBLE to a human being?
From that maybe you can figure out why the fact that a
kid has HALF the movie Picture Fusion Frequency of and adult
means that half the world that an adult can see is invisible
to the kid.

[Michael Moroney, heckler]
Actually George has this backwards (no surprise here). Kids can hear
higher frequencies than adults and the ability to hear high frequencies
decreases with age.



[Hammond]
Irrelevant heckler trivia. The next thing he'll do is
start posting about Flickker Fusion Frequency whaich has
NOTHING to do with it.
The following has been well researched and documented:

http://www.v-weiss.de/lehrl-full.html#_edn1
"By a similar method, called 'picture fusion' Riedel (1966)
demonstrated that the time shortens as children mature. By
this method, which is explained in the next section, he
investigated children from 7 years (10 frames/s) onward to
15 years (15 frames/s)."

Obviously from this well known data which is common
knowlege in the movie industry since the time of Thomas
Edison, a child cn only see 1/3 of the moving reality that
is visible to an adult. 2/3's OF REALITY IS INVISBLE !
Just like half of "dog world" is INAUDIBLE to a human being.
Go back to school moron. This is cut and dried science.

It is controversial claims, NOT "cut and dried science".

Which you warped, anyway, to fit with your insane assertions about spoc.

George Hammond wrote:
On Mon, 05 May 2008 11:11:53 -0700, none ""doug\"@(none)"
wrote:

George Hammond wrote:


[Hammond]
Hey, Phd physicist; tell us how a dog whistle works.....
tell us why half of the audible reality that a dog can hear
is audibally INVISIBLE to a human being?

[Doug, alleged Physics PhD, SPOG heckler]
And that proves god?


[Hammond]
You bet your ass it does, and the faster you find out
about it the less egg you'll wind up with on your face.

[Doug, alleged Physics PhD, SPOG heckler]
From that maybe you can figure out why the fact that a
kid has HALF the movie Picture Fusion Frequency of and adult
means that half the world that an adult can see is invisible
to the kid.
No. This is not true.


[Hammond]
You don't know your ass fom your elbow.
In this world famous paper (I know Lehrl personally) you
will fined halfway through it the following statment:

"By a similar method, called ‘picture fusion’, Riedel (1966)
demonstrated that the time shortens as children mature. By
this method, which is explained in the next section, he
investigated children from 7 years (10 frames/s) onward to
15 years (15 frames/s).
It is remarkable that critical flicker fusion (30-50 Hz)
has nothing to do with the picture fusion (mean = 15-16 Hz).
Theoretically and empirically this was demonstrated by
Weidenhammer and Fischer (1985). Their findings are affirmed
by the fact that picture fusion is related to intelligence,
whereas, according to Jensen’s (1983) results, critical
flicker fusion has virtually no correlation with
intelligence."

This fundamental fact, that trhe PFF (frames/sec)
increases linearly with age in children, and linearly with
IQ (mental speed) in adults, is a well known and well
documented fact and has been known in the movie industry for
decades.
You don't know what you're tlking about.

I never said that fusion frequency was not true, I said it
had nothing to do with your claim. You carefully snipped the
explanation of what was said. You are being very dishonest
in your editing of posts that show you to be wrong. You are
afraid to confront the truth.



[Hammond]
And then from that maybe youcan figure out
that since the Secualr Trend says that the average human is
only 80% fully grown,
So?

why it is that 20% of REALITY is
INVISIBLE
No. This has nothing to do with the above.

to the average person, and why it is called HEAVEN

No. Your first assumption was wrong and this does not even
have anything to do with heaven. The back side of the moon
is not visible to me either. Does that mean that heaven is
there?


and why the hypothetically fully grown man is considered an
INVISIBLE MAN who lives in this invisble world and is called
GOD.

[Doug, alleged Physics PhD, SPOG heckler]
This is not connected to anything above.


[Hammond]
Horse****, the cited evidence proves otherwise.

What evidence?


[Doug, alleged Physics PhD, SPOG heckler]
Why would the hypothetically
full grown man be invisible to us? He moves to fast?


[Hammond]
Of course asshole. In practical terms it means you can't
see his FACE (read his facial expression). How do you think
a psychotic fools so many people, he is INVIVISIBLE to the
average person, only people like ME (and law enforcement
agents and judges)) know who the guy is, because they know
what the phenomenon of God is!

This is truely amazing. You and the law enforcement agencies
are the only ones who know your god. You really have no
contact with reality.

That's why I know you''re
actually and ignorant halfass nincompoop and your academic
friends think you're brilliant.... because you're a PSYCHO
and I can see you, and they can't. ****wit piece of trash.

I showed again how vacuous your "proof" is yet again and
all you can do is respond with swearing. Your are wrong and
swearing does not change it. It just tells me you know you
have lost.

=====================================
SCIENTIFIC PROOF OF GOD WEBSITE
http://geocities.com/scientific_proof_of_god
mirror site:
http://proof-of-god.freewebsitehosting.com
GOD=G_uv (a folk song on mp3)
http://interrobang.jwgh.org/songs/hammond.mp3
=====================================

Michael Moroney wrote:
George Hammond writes:

Hey, Phd physicist; tell us how a dog whistle works.....
tell us why half of the audible reality that a dog can hear
is audibally INVISIBLE to a human being?
From that maybe you can figure out why the fact that a
kid has HALF the movie Picture Fusion Frequency of and adult
means that half the world that an adult can see is invisible
to the kid.

Actually George has this backwards (no surprise here). Kids can hear
higher frequencies than adults and the ability to hear high frequencies
decreases with age. Google "mosquito ringtone" to see how kids take
advantage of this in schools and elsewhere.

Maybe that means that god is a very young person when he listens to
things and a very old one when he watches things. That cannot be
right though since light travels faster than sound.