“ Housing Vouchers � not covering security deposits and utilities,
as mentioned he
http://www.BaltimoreSun.COM/news/loc...,2622681.story

Imagine giving people free housing ( downtown ),
free security deposits and free utilities...

Suppose they trashed the place, what do you do then ?
If you evict them, they'll just be homeless again,
and then you're right back where you started.

With luck, there will be no “ Final Solution �.
Why over-indulge the self-indulgent ?

The following quote ( dated October, 1943 )
is from Heinrich Himmler, leader of the SchutzStaffel ( SS ).
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...utzstaffel.svg

It's an example of:
Evolution and state-sponsored self-indulgence gone wacky.

Himmler said:
“ One basic principle must be the absolute rule for the SS man:
we must be honest, decent, loyal, and comradely
to members of our own blood and to nobody else.

What happens to a Russian, to a Czech
does not interest me in the slightest.

What the nations can offer in the way of
good blood of our type, we will take, if necessary,
by kidnapping their children and raising them here with us.

Whether nations live in prosperity or starve to death
interests me only in so far as we need them as slaves for our Kultur;
otherwise, it is of no interest to me.

Whether 10,000 Russian females fall down from exhaustion
while digging an anti-tank ditch interests me
only in so far as the anti-tank ditch for Germany is finished.

We shall never be rough and heartless when it is not necessary,
that is clear.

We Germans, who are the only people in the world who have
a decent attitude towards animals,
will also assume a decent attitude towards these human animals.

But it is a crime against our own blood to worry about them
and give them ideals, thus causing our sons and grandsons to have
a more difficult time with them.

When somebody comes to me and says,
‘ I cannot dig the anti-tank ditch with women
and children, it is inhuman, for it would kill them. ’,

then I have to say,
‘ You are a murderer of your own blood
because if the anti-tank ditch is not dug, German soldiers will die,
and they are sons of German mothers. They are our own blood. ’

That is what I want to instill into the SS
and what I believe I have instilled into them as
-- one of the most sacred laws of the future -- .
[ Note, this is an indirect reference to evolution ]

Our concern, our duty, is our people and our blood.
It is for them that we must provide and plan, work and fight,
nothing else.

We can be indifferent to everything else.
I wish the SS to adopt this attitude to the problem of all
foreign, non-Germanic peoples, especially Russians.

All else is vain, fraud against our own nation,
and an obstacle to the early winning of the war. �.

-- http://WikiPedia.ORG/wiki/Posen_Speech

nightbat wrote

Jeffâ˜*Relf wrote:
Science Team Officer Jeff Relf


“ Housing Vouchers � not covering security deposits and utilities,
as mentioned he
http://www.BaltimoreSun.COM/news/loc...,2622681.story

Imagine giving people free housing ( downtown ),
free security deposits and free utilities...

Suppose they trashed the place, what do you do then ?
If you evict them, they'll just be homeless again,
and then you're right back where you started.

With luck, there will be no “ Final Solution �.
Why over-indulge the self-indulgent ?

The following quote ( dated October, 1943 )
is from Heinrich Himmler, leader of the SchutzStaffel ( SS ).
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...utzstaffel.svg

It's an example of:
Evolution and state-sponsored self-indulgence gone wacky.

Himmler said:
“ One basic principle must be the absolute rule for the SS man:
we must be honest, decent, loyal, and comradely
to members of our own blood and to nobody else.

What happens to a Russian, to a Czech
does not interest me in the slightest.

What the nations can offer in the way of
good blood of our type, we will take, if necessary,
by kidnapping their children and raising them here with us.

Whether nations live in prosperity or starve to death
interests me only in so far as we need them as slaves for our Kultur;
otherwise, it is of no interest to me.

Whether 10,000 Russian females fall down from exhaustion
while digging an anti-tank ditch interests me
only in so far as the anti-tank ditch for Germany is finished.

We shall never be rough and heartless when it is not necessary,
that is clear.

We Germans, who are the only people in the world who have
a decent attitude towards animals,
will also assume a decent attitude towards these human animals.

But it is a crime against our own blood to worry about them
and give them ideals, thus causing our sons and grandsons to have
a more difficult time with them.

When somebody comes to me and says,
‘ I cannot dig the anti-tank ditch with women
and children, it is inhuman, for it would kill them. ’,

then I have to say,
‘ You are a murderer of your own blood
because if the anti-tank ditch is not dug, German soldiers will die,
and they are sons of German mothers. They are our own blood. ’

That is what I want to instill into the SS
and what I believe I have instilled into them as
-- one of the most sacred laws of the future -- .
[ Note, this is an indirect reference to evolution ]

Our concern, our duty, is our people and our blood.
It is for them that we must provide and plan, work and fight,
nothing else.

We can be indifferent to everything else.
I wish the SS to adopt this attitude to the problem of all
foreign, non-Germanic peoples, especially Russians.

All else is vain, fraud against our own nation,
and an obstacle to the early winning of the war. �.

-- http://WikiPedia.ORG/wiki/Posen_Speech

nightbat

Correct Officer Relf what to do when the World doesn't want "A
Sea of Poor Mixed Humanity" the German "Final Solution". The search for
the true Aryan child, child of "leibensbaum" "fountain of life" and the
prophesied, mystical, paradoxical, pure blooded Jewish German Aryan
child. A child that reneweth the ages( Nostradamus), a wizard like
Edison and Tesla, but of non Muggle ancestry, Religious antiquity known
pure blood line being, beyond magic a true from Adam and Eve bloodline
human Godlike creator, The SS World search for the promised Aryan child,
"im goin to find it mein fuier and ill report back", beyond Harry
Potter, 1947 the year of the Silver Saucers and the birth of the
promised One.

Hitler "Generals hold the fronts at all costs, soon we will be German
Masters of the World".

German Research Scientists "What is it Hai Hitler Mein Fuier, biological
plant cells, coal, steam, wind, rockets, chemical, nuclear, hydrogen,
geothermal, sea wave, what? Is it German traitor Jew Heir Einstein?"

Hitler "Silence impudent fools, it is none of those, find the German
pure blooded youth child that will produce the energy secret and we will
have eternal clean renewable power, A German dynasty for a thousand years!"

"He will come swiftly, like a thief in the night"
"At attention for the Aryan anointed Noble Knight promised one comes"

See: Reference Blood Status
http://www.hp-lexicon.org/wizworld/b...tus-names.html


you're getting hot,
the nightbat

Unlike you NightBat, I'm not Officer material.
Instead, I'm into quietly writing code for my self and my boss,
reading UseNet in my free time.

Sure, our forefather's killed for money, for us.
But that's not me, times have changed, we're one world now.
The world's 6,912 spoken languages are becoming one.

As a computer programmer, coding for Russian and Chinese bankers,
I'm part of that, making the world smaller.

Just today, I was reading Norwegian, using a free online translator.
I think my online friend, T.J. Frazir, is John Fredriksen.

Oct 22, 2006, Alan Hubbard wrote:

“ Roman Abramovich is keen to pour even more millions into Chelsea.
The place, not the club, that is.

He is said to be ‘ desperate ’ to acquire
the most desirable residence in London
- a mega-mansion complete with ballroom called The Old Rectory,
close to his football heartland.

But the Blues benefactor's breathtaking bid of [ .28 giga dollars ]
has been rebuffed by the owner,
the Norwegian shipping tycoon John Fredriksen, a fellow billionaire,
apparently much to Abramovich's chagrin. �.

After fighting cancer since 1999,
John's wife, Inger ( Ginger ), died Dec 27th, 2006.

This is Ginger:
http://GFX.DagBladet.NO/pub/artikkel...1167320714.jpg

John:
http://GFX.DagBladet.NO/pub/artikkel...1167320949.jpg

Daughters ( twins ) Kathrine and Cecilie ( born in 1983 ):
http://GFX.DagBladet.NO/pub/artikkel...1198226474.jpg

Ever since, T.J. has been posting less. John said:

“ Men jeg bryr meg ikke om pengene, jeg er helt uinteressert.
De betyr ingenting, derfor er det ikke spennende lenger.
Jeg kommer uansett til å jobbe til jeg stuper. �.

Which means ( I'm guessing ):
“ Making money isn't the challenge it once was;
working or scuba diving, I get paid either way. �.

nightbat wrote

Jeffâ˜*Relf wrote:
Science Team Officer

Unlike you NightBat, I'm not Officer material.
Instead, I'm into quietly writing code for my self and my boss,
reading UseNet in my free time.

Sure, our forefather's killed for money, for us.
But that's not me, times have changed, we're one world now.
The world's 6,912 spoken languages are becoming one.

As a computer programmer, coding for Russian and Chinese bankers,
I'm part of that, making the world smaller.

Just today, I was reading Norwegian, using a free online translator.
I think my online friend, T.J. Frazir, is John Fredriksen.

Oct 22, 2006, Alan Hubbard wrote:

“ Roman Abramovich is keen to pour even more millions into Chelsea.
The place, not the club, that is.

He is said to be ‘ desperate ’ to acquire
the most desirable residence in London
- a mega-mansion complete with ballroom called The Old Rectory,
close to his football heartland.

But the Blues benefactor's breathtaking bid of [ .28 giga dollars ]
has been rebuffed by the owner,
the Norwegian shipping tycoon John Fredriksen, a fellow billionaire,
apparently much to Abramovich's chagrin. �.

After fighting cancer since 1999,
John's wife, Inger ( Ginger ), died Dec 27th, 2006.

This is Ginger:
http://GFX.DagBladet.NO/pub/artikkel...1167320714.jpg

John:
http://GFX.DagBladet.NO/pub/artikkel...1167320949.jpg

Daughters ( twins ) Kathrine and Cecilie ( born in 1983 ):
http://GFX.DagBladet.NO/pub/artikkel...1198226474.jpg

Ever since, T.J. has been posting less. John said:

“ Men jeg bryr meg ikke om pengene, jeg er helt uinteressert.
De betyr ingenting, derfor er det ikke spennende lenger.
Jeg kommer uansett til å jobbe til jeg stuper. �.

Which means ( I'm guessing ):
“ Making money isn't the challenge it once was;
working or scuba diving, I get paid either way. �.


nightbat

Too late Jeff you were drafted into Commissioned service and
sci.physics subject T J Frazir is quite a different fellow then subject
pics link you posted. He sent me private pics of himself and family and
while he was in the U.S. Navy and is an American born subject. A big man
by any standards most likely a gland medical problem added to his
reported later large stature.

His interest and affinity for oil reducing engine brought us together
for a short time and request by him for commercial assistance with his
own "Whale" engine. He appears very net knowledgeable about engine power
ratios, powertrains, shipping, foreign markets, use of advanced applied
science, diving exploration expertise, salvage recovery, navigation,
satellite navigation positioning, currency exchange handling, machining,

amongst his public/private displayed non formal education self taught
genius.

I can understand your linking John reference subject to T. J. but the
two have different previous relayed data family backgrounds.

He respects his privacy and requested that I do too which I have.

that is all,
the nightbat

"Jeff?Relf" wrote in message...
...

Unlike you NightBat, I'm not Officer material.
Instead, I'm into quietly writing code for my self and my boss,
reading UseNet in my free time.

Sure, our forefather's killed for money, for us.
But that's not me, times have changed, we're one world now.
The world's 6,912 spoken languages are becoming one.
. . .

You're right, of course, Jeff, however there is still a
lot of resistance to the idea. This is a story i like to
tell when this subject comes up...

I was in a large meeting at a fancy restaurant once.
There were Amharas, Tigrans, about three other
Ethiopian groups, and of course, we Americans who
were there as Peace Corps volunteers.

As we ate and talked about many things, the subject
eventually came around to one of great controversy,
"A Universal Language".

The whole large dining room became involved in this.
People from each faction stood up and voiced why
*their* language ought to be the "universal tongue".
The Amharas thought it should be "Amharic". The
Tigrans pushed for the tongue of their province of
Tigray. There were those who favored Italian or
French, since these were widely spoken as a result
of WWII.

I sat very quietly and listened, wondering all the while
why nobody seemed to see the obvious, what was
very obvious to me, anyway. With all this talk about
a "universal language" that was lasting over an hour,
now, NOBODY, no not one person, stood up and
made the obvious argument. After all, the entire talk,
the whole debate, was taking place in "English"!

Yet, not one soul stood up and suggested English to
be the universal tongue. So i did. Yup, completely
against my usual demeanor of "stay the f**k out of
it", i just couldn't help myself. I stood bravely, even
almost courageously, and spoke out on all the good
reasons why English, which was obviously already
the "unofficial" universal language, ought to be
recognized as such--officially.

Can you guess what happened?

People all over the room were whispering. Nearby,
i could hear their comments, "Is this guy crazy?"
"No, I don't think he's crazy, but he does sound very
naive," "Somebody needs to tell this idiot to sit
down!" Eventually, i slowly shrank back down into
my seat and resumed my "i really need to stay the
f**k out of these things" demeanor.

So you see, people *want* to be able to communicate,
to understand each other even if they're from different
places. But even though TESL techniques (Teaching
English as a Second Language) are used globally,
even though the English tongue is widely spoken and
understood, people *really* want their *own* language,
the language of their ancestors, the language they first
learned and grew up with, to be the universal tongue.

And for several reasons, most people are *dead set*
against the obviously universal language of English to
become the officially recognized universal tongue.

There is still much resistance to having one official
global language, and a great deal of desire to hold to
the old ways for as long as possible.

happy holidays and...
starry starry nights!

--
Indelibly yours,
Paine

P.S. Here are some secret sites... shhh
http://painellsworth.net
http://savethechildren.org/
http://home.secretsgolden.com

English is not the issue, U.S. banks/legal-system is.

On May 12th, 2006 mallardx wrote:
“ 1. Do you have assets anywhere in the USA ? If so, garnished.

2. Do you ever wire money ? If so, you don't know the route a wire
takes, electronically. It rarely is A-to-B. If it electronically
passes through anywhere that is within US jurisdiction
( like bouncing off a US satellite, for example ),
the IRS already has the mechanism in place to grab it out of cyberspace
and route it straight into the US Treasury.

The Americans will grab ALL of it.
If you say that you only owe 1% of what they grab, then you have to
come into a US court to argue that...

and then they have you in their power.

3. Tax treaties. Almost all of the major developed countries have
tax treaties with each other, and assist each other in pursuing tax
fraud. If you welch on your US taxes, declare yourself a German and
move to Germany. The Germans will probably enforce a tax levy by the
US IRS if it is sent via letters rogatory and brought into German
court. So, where are you going to live? Western Europe? They
governments in Western Europe will assist the IRS in getting you.

4. Someday, you'll come back onto US soil. Then they get you.
Remember, you can't go to Western Europe, so you have to go to
places like Latin America, Africa, Asia.

And when you get old and sick, as everyone does ?
When you get cancer or need cardiac surgery, where do you go ?
Bogota General Hospital ? Nope.

You have to go back into the civilized world.
And when you do, they've got you.

You also have to wire money to the hospitals, etc.
And the US government may pick that wire right out of the air.

You can fight that sort of thing, but you can't fight it by proxy.
If the US government just flat out illegally steals from you, on
foreign soil, the only way to attack them is in US Federal
court...and to be able to bring a case you have to enter America
and place yourself under US jurisdiction.

Some folks discover that, when they try to stick a finger in the
eye of the US government and flee abroad, that the US government
obeys no law at all in going after them, because the only way that
US government abuses of law can be PROSECUTED is by going into a US
court in the United States.

And if you try to do that,
you have to come into the US and submit to US jurisdiction.

The US government reaches into international wire transfers from
criminals and simply steals the money sometimes, even outside of US
territory. What's the criminal going to do about it if the US
government behaves like a criminal towards him ?

The US government steals from criminals all over the world,
and keeps the money.

Because the US government knows that the only way to bring the US
government to justice for committing crimes of theft is...to come
into the US courts. And if you do that, they have your person.

Moral: if you're a tax fraud who owes a billion, your billion
isn't safe in some bank in the Caymans. The US government can
penetrate said bank using operatives and steal your money. Then what
do you do? Prove they did it, first of all, that's hard enough.

But even if you prove it,
how do you bring the US government to justice for massive theft ?
You can't.

You'd have to go into the US Court.
Set foot on US soil, and even if you win the money back in court,
you're still rotting in jail for your crimes.

Really, if you step outside of the law and give the US Federal
Government the finger, there is no law that protects you either, and
the Government knows it can steal your property everywhere in the
world that it feels like, and you've got no recourse.

That's why drug lords even in Colombia use cash and physical assets.

Start laundering money through Switzerland, and American
( and other Western ) agents will, with complete sang froid,
send in someone to empty out the account and put it in intel black ops.

And the drug lord has access to WHAT court or investigative service
to bring the US or other Western government to justice for
a literal bank account robbery ? None whatsoever.

The US government criminally steals from criminals all over the
world, with impunity. So do all other Western governments. If you're
a small fish, you can get away with it. But notice how the big fish
like this Norwegian, no matter how angry he is, follows the full
legal procedures.

Because if he doesn't, and simply becomes an outlaw,
when there is that much money involved,
governments can steal that money,

but he can't go into any court to get it back.
Individuals are powerless against intelligence services of major
countries taking their money right out of accounts.

So, hard core criminals have to keep money in cash, or put them in
nasty Arab banks with nasty Arab princes willing to steal their
money. That's how it works. �.

-- www.FreeRepublic.COM/focus/f-news/1631034/posts

By the way, the solution is to either:

A. have no formal income/assets. ( My choice )

B. Keep your income/assets under
the name of your offshore lawyer and/or wives.

Billionaires have security guards, do they not ?

They come online with prefabricated identities.
But, like T.J., my dad was an engineer/salesman;
so I see right through their masks.

John Fredriksen was born buying and selling ships.
No idiot, he only buys what's ( essentially ) already sold.
Ships are his warehouses... he's a global Weyerhaeuser.

He moves -- Mega Tons --; no single person moves more.

his Nov 19, 2007 posts at:
“ �
and “ �,

I replied:

“ I understand you have .3 mega tons of copper per year,
and you want me to move 20 kilo tons of it,
parsing it out to smaller buyers.

I'm to get a ‘ Letter of Credit ’, cashed on invoice. �.

Months before it happened, I knew about his participation in
the ultra-private, Bermuda-based, consortium that purchased Chrysler.
( Bill Gates, Richard Branson, some Waltons, etc. )

T.J. is how I know about Doble boilers.
Quoting CyclonePower:
“ Pompano Beach, FL, Nov. 14, 2007.

Cyclone Power Technologies, Inc. ( Pink Sheets: CYPW )
announced today that it has tested and successfully run
its Green Revolution Engine(TM) on a mixture of

kerosene, gasoline, alcohol, bio-diesel and diesel.

The ‘ fuel cocktail ’ generated sufficient thermal energy
to power the Cyclone engine, registering average BTU’s between
that of alcohol on the lower end and diesel on the higher end.

Additionally,
despite the profound difference in chemical compositions,

BTU levels and consistency of these five fuels,
the test did not require any modifications
to the Cyclone engine or its fuel injector.

‘ This has profound implications for American consumers ’,
stated Harry Schoell, the company’s CEO and engine inventor.

‘ With a Cyclone engine, you may soon be able to
fill your tank with any fuel or fuel mixture that
is inexpensive or abundant at that moment.

Choice, like it did in the telecom industry,
could eventually give consumers
some leverage over the oil monopolies. ’ �.
-- http://CyclonePower.COM/press/11-14.pdf

"Jeff?Relf" wrote in message
...
Billionaires have security guards, do they not ?

They come online with prefabricated identities.
But, like T.J., my dad was an engineer/salesman;
so I see right through their masks.

John Fredriksen was born buying and selling ships.
No idiot, he only buys what's ( essentially ) already sold.
Ships are his warehouses... he's a global Weyerhaeuser.

He moves -- Mega Tons --; no single person moves more.

TJ reminds me of the three Texan's who were bragging.

Texan #1 said "Last year I shipped 10,000 bulls."
Texan #2 said "Last year I shipped 20,000 bulls."
Texan #3 (TJ) said "Last year I shipped 50,000 bulls."

Texan #1 said "No doubt about it TJ,
you are the biggest bull shipper of all times."

That said, I have also learned a lot from TJ's posts.

--
Tom Potter

http://www.geocities.com/tdp1001/index.html
http://home.earthlink.net/~tdp
http://notsocrazyideas.blogspot.com
http://groups.msn.com/PotterPhotos



--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com

How good is your Norwegian ( or Chinese ) Tom ?

I've been speaking English all my life
and I still have trouble communicating on UseNet.

With T.J., you have to ask a lot of questions
and read-between-the-lines.
The deeper you dig, the more he makes sense.

He's a ship broker, beyond a doubt.

His last words to me, Nov 27th, 2006, shortly after
John Fredriksen ( a.k.a. Fearless Johnny ) bought
“ the most desirable residence in London � ( worth .28 giga dollars )
and just before the death of John's wife were like this:

Bill Gate's PC employs a 90 inch monitor:
“ �.

From “ �:
T.J. wants to spend 70 grand per person this Christmas.

He threw a Thanksgiving party for those still on the ResidenSea
and the Seattle Yacht Club, 1.6 thousand people.
Mariah Carey, Bob Dylan and Paul McCartney played.

From “ �:

T.J. wants to give Paul Allen, Bill Gates and Richard Branson
a thousand foot pipe from their docks, underwater, with port holes,
so they can watch the fishes. Cost: 300 grand.

From “ �:
He wants to butcher and eat my 30 pound dog, Whimpels the puppy.
Even Paris Hilton can't bring her dog on Fearless Johnny ( the tug ).

From “ �
and “ �:

He'll teach me how to run Fearless Johnny in 3 days.
Every once in awhile, I can moor for a month in Seattle,
for fee, at Craig McCaw's houseboat.

He explains who is in the Seattle Yacht Club
and what I'd have to do to join it.

By the way, this map shows where the Seattle Yacht Club is
in relation to my apartment:
“ www.Cotse.NET/users/jeffrelf/CampusWalk.PNG �.

From “ �:
One of Fearless Johnny's rugs cost .1 mega dollars.

On Dec 22, 6:42 pm, Jeffâ˜*Relf wrote:
How good is your Norwegian ( or Chinese ) Tom ?

I've been speaking English all my life
and I still have trouble communicating on UseNet.

That's because you deliberately refuse to conform to very simple
standards that purposefully **** everyone off. That is, of course, in
addition to your gross stupidity and incompetence in fields you know
nothing about.

That reminds me....why are you still posting in sci.physics?


With T.J., you have to ask a lot of questions
and read-between-the-lines.
The deeper you dig, the more he makes sense.

If I ever meet the guy behind that WebTV console, I'll give him a high
five for duping you so completely.

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