On May 23, 2004, at 1:07 PM, Tony Smith wrote:

Jack, you say that Dark Energy can be produced

Both Dark Energy and Dark Matter.

by using a real phased-array set of current loops

Superconducting current loops, maybe they also wil bel mechanically
rotating, i.e. little rotating superconducting nano washer nuts ~ 10^-7
cm or superconducting nano-spinning tops with holes in them to trap
magnetic flux - an array of nano-gyros imbedded in a mesh inside
covering the entire saucer smart thin material fuselage skin that is
essentially empty inside - no need for large macro-engine assemblies at
all! "There's plenty of room at the bottom."

to induce order in the virtual Dirac sea,

Not quite. There is lots of order there already!

/\zpf = 0 means NON-EXOTIC |VACUUM COHERENCE| = Lp*^-3/2 is already
there, otherwise NO SMOOTH CURVED SPACE-TIME is possible! We want to
tweak the vacuum coherence with phase modulation!

thus increasing the relative density in the Dirac sea
of the coherent condensate of bound virtual e-p pairs,

in some regions and decreasing it in other regions to get the Tr(K)
field distribution needed for warp drive for example.

and
that the "... phased array creates any /\zpf(P,s) ~ Tr(K)
FIELD CONFIGURATION needed for any self-propelled UFO
creating its own local metric field guv(P,s) according
to the Einstein field equation Guv + /\zpfguv ~ 0 ...".

--------------------------------------------------------

Then, the question arises,
how do you build a real phased-array set of current loops ?

That's like asking Einstein in 1905 after he first writes down

E = mc^2

for a detailed blue print of the reactor for a nuclear submarine.

http://stardrive.org/cartoon/USSKron.html

Ask those little guys whizzing around Out There!


Do you build small loops of conventional superconductors
a la Carver Mead
or
negative permittivity structures such as those
of http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/cond-mat/9804195 ?

You tell me. What's the Carver Mead reference BTW.
We obviously need a Task Force to work on this problem, but DIA's
"UFOGuy" is too dense to get the point it appears.

How will negative electrical permittivity help?

Main thing is to get a coherent field that will beat against the vacuum
coherent field on a desired scale in a desired bandwidth set of temporal
frequencies and spatial wave numbers in a given region of space at a
given moment - i.e. wavelet transforms.

Do you build stiff diamondoid structures
a la Eric Drexler or the doped diamonds of
http://physicsweb.org/article/news/7/4/5 ?

Sounds like you are off to a good start. Send me your reports.

Do you build less-stiff organic-type structures
a la Eric Drexler ?

Do you work with crystal structures such as YBCO superconductors
a la Ning Li
or
non-YBCO materials as discussed by Ray Chaio
or
barium titanate, as to which Constantin Ivanenko said
"... importance of barium titanate - key component
of "psi-genome weapons" -
was intuitively foreseen by SF author H. Kuttner;
- who wrote in his '54 novel "Mutants" that "destiny of
Humankind is contained in the chip of barium titanate crystal". ...".
Barium titanate, like some high-temperature superconductors,
has a perovskite-type crystal structure. With some such things,
such a YBCO, you get superconductivity. With barium titanate,
you get interesting dielectric and pizeoelectric properties. ?


We need really high Tc not the puny things they have now. NO CRYOGENICS
at all. It must stay SC even in high T of re-entry should that become
necessary if there is some breakdown on board.

Or maybe there is some kind of pumped non-equilibrium Frohlich mode we
can use and avoid superconductivity altogether?


---------------------------------------------------------

As to some geopolitical matters:

What about Lev Navrozov's statement at
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/arti...5/210250.shtml
"... In contrast to Hitler,
who stupidly grabbed the rump of Czechoslovakia in 1939,
China has been very cautious in its territorial claims,
since the position of China now is the best for the development
of "Superweapon No. 3," such as the nano superweapon. ..."

Yeah the Chinese are likely to beat us to the punch because they are
less uptight about being "respectable" immersed in the hashish dreams of
M string theory, spin networks, foams and weaves - pretty math to be
sure, but as physics????

These mathematicians in physicist's clothing do not have any really good
physical ideas and they hope that arcane math will provide the magic
they seek like Faustus in his study at Wittenburg! Pun definitely
intended! :-)

A mathematical physicist is a mathematician who has given up trying to
do really important mathematics.


What about Herman Wouk's new book "A Hole in Texas",
which deals with a Chinese "Boson Bomb" related to
the vacuum-mass-Higgs system?

News to me. Tell us more.

"Jack Sarfatti" wrote in message
...

On May 23, 2004, at 1:07 PM, Tony Smith wrote:


Snip inaccurate drival

Disagree, the Universe is more easily explained as being made
from American Cheese from Wisconsin. It is all there, Dark
Matter, Lite Matter, Holes in space (American Swiss), time
dilation across the bigger pieces, curvature, texture, and the
more concise in Cheese Whiz (worm hole simulatior). Spontaneous
Energy Vacuums could occur on the surface if you watch it long enough.

* wrote:
"Jack Sarfatti" wrote in message
...

On May 23, 2004, at 1:07 PM, Tony Smith wrote:



Snip inaccurate drival

Disagree, the Universe is more easily explained as being made
from American Cheese from Wisconsin. It is all there, Dark
Matter, Lite Matter, Holes in space (American Swiss), time
dilation across the bigger pieces, curvature, texture, and the
more concise in Cheese Whiz (worm hole simulatior). Spontaneous
Energy Vacuums could occur on the surface if you watch it long enough.

We need to all note that this is *American* cheese - I don't want to
hear from any 3rd world nations crying about "Why isn't it OUR cheese!"
And that includes the Swiss. We all know REAL Swiss cheese comes from
Wisconsin.

You post a lot to alt.mindcontrol, don't you?

"Jack Sarfatti" wrote in message
...

On May 23, 2004, at 1:07 PM, Tony Smith wrote:

Jack, you say that Dark Energy can be produced

Both Dark Energy and Dark Matter.

by using a real phased-array set of current loops

Superconducting current loops, maybe they also wil bel mechanically
rotating, i.e. little rotating superconducting nano washer nuts ~ 10^-7
cm or superconducting nano-spinning tops with holes in them to trap
magnetic flux - an array of nano-gyros imbedded in a mesh inside
covering the entire saucer smart thin material fuselage skin that is
essentially empty inside - no need for large macro-engine assemblies at
all! "There's plenty of room at the bottom."

to induce order in the virtual Dirac sea,

Not quite. There is lots of order there already!

/\zpf = 0 means NON-EXOTIC |VACUUM COHERENCE| = Lp*^-3/2 is already
there, otherwise NO SMOOTH CURVED SPACE-TIME is possible! We want to
tweak the vacuum coherence with phase modulation!

thus increasing the relative density in the Dirac sea
of the coherent condensate of bound virtual e-p pairs,

in some regions and decreasing it in other regions to get the Tr(K)
field distribution needed for warp drive for example.

and
that the "... phased array creates any /\zpf(P,s) ~ Tr(K)
FIELD CONFIGURATION needed for any self-propelled UFO
creating its own local metric field guv(P,s) according
to the Einstein field equation Guv + /\zpfguv ~ 0 ...".

--------------------------------------------------------

Then, the question arises,
how do you build a real phased-array set of current loops ?

That's like asking Einstein in 1905 after he first writes down

E = mc^2

for a detailed blue print of the reactor for a nuclear submarine.

http://stardrive.org/cartoon/USSKron.html

Ask those little guys whizzing around Out There!


Do you build small loops of conventional superconductors
a la Carver Mead
or
negative permittivity structures such as those
of http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/cond-mat/9804195 ?

You tell me. What's the Carver Mead reference BTW.
We obviously need a Task Force to work on this problem, but DIA's
"UFOGuy" is too dense to get the point it appears.

How will negative electrical permittivity help?

Main thing is to get a coherent field that will beat against the vacuum
coherent field on a desired scale in a desired bandwidth set of temporal
frequencies and spatial wave numbers in a given region of space at a
given moment - i.e. wavelet transforms.

Do you build stiff diamondoid structures
a la Eric Drexler or the doped diamonds of
http://physicsweb.org/article/news/7/4/5 ?

Sounds like you are off to a good start. Send me your reports.

Do you build less-stiff organic-type structures
a la Eric Drexler ?

Do you work with crystal structures such as YBCO superconductors
a la Ning Li
or
non-YBCO materials as discussed by Ray Chaio
or
barium titanate, as to which Constantin Ivanenko said
"... importance of barium titanate - key component
of "psi-genome weapons" -
was intuitively foreseen by SF author H. Kuttner;
- who wrote in his '54 novel "Mutants" that "destiny of
Humankind is contained in the chip of barium titanate crystal". ...".
Barium titanate, like some high-temperature superconductors,
has a perovskite-type crystal structure. With some such things,
such a YBCO, you get superconductivity. With barium titanate,
you get interesting dielectric and pizeoelectric properties. ?


We need really high Tc not the puny things they have now. NO CRYOGENICS
at all. It must stay SC even in high T of re-entry should that become
necessary if there is some breakdown on board.

Or maybe there is some kind of pumped non-equilibrium Frohlich mode we
can use and avoid superconductivity altogether?


---------------------------------------------------------

As to some geopolitical matters:

What about Lev Navrozov's statement at
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/arti...5/210250.shtml
"... In contrast to Hitler,
who stupidly grabbed the rump of Czechoslovakia in 1939,
China has been very cautious in its territorial claims,
since the position of China now is the best for the development
of "Superweapon No. 3," such as the nano superweapon. ..."

Yeah the Chinese are likely to beat us to the punch because they are
less uptight about being "respectable" immersed in the hashish dreams of
M string theory, spin networks, foams and weaves - pretty math to be
sure, but as physics????

These mathematicians in physicist's clothing do not have any really good
physical ideas and they hope that arcane math will provide the magic
they seek like Faustus in his study at Wittenburg! Pun definitely
intended! :-)

A mathematical physicist is a mathematician who has given up trying to
do really important mathematics.


What about Herman Wouk's new book "A Hole in Texas",
which deals with a Chinese "Boson Bomb" related to
the vacuum-mass-Higgs system?

News to me. Tell us more.

I am no expert, and I am also new to this NG, but is not one of the primary
characteristics of non-baryonic "dark matter" that it is immune to all of
the forces of nature except gravity? If that is the case, how could it be
"produced" by the manipulation of EM forces on any scale, a force to which
it is immune?



"Jack Sarfatti" wrote in message
...

On May 23, 2004, at 1:07 PM, Tony Smith wrote:

Jack, you say that Dark Energy can be produced

Both Dark Energy and Dark Matter.

by using a real phased-array set of current loops

Superconducting current loops, maybe they also wil bel mechanically
rotating, i.e. little rotating superconducting nano washer nuts ~ 10^-7
cm or superconducting nano-spinning tops with holes in them to trap
magnetic flux - an array of nano-gyros imbedded in a mesh inside
covering the entire saucer smart thin material fuselage skin that is
essentially empty inside - no need for large macro-engine assemblies at
all! "There's plenty of room at the bottom."

to induce order in the virtual Dirac sea,

Not quite. There is lots of order there already!

/\zpf = 0 means NON-EXOTIC |VACUUM COHERENCE| = Lp*^-3/2 is already
there, otherwise NO SMOOTH CURVED SPACE-TIME is possible! We want to
tweak the vacuum coherence with phase modulation!

thus increasing the relative density in the Dirac sea
of the coherent condensate of bound virtual e-p pairs,

in some regions and decreasing it in other regions to get the Tr(K)
field distribution needed for warp drive for example.

and
that the "... phased array creates any /\zpf(P,s) ~ Tr(K)
FIELD CONFIGURATION needed for any self-propelled UFO
creating its own local metric field guv(P,s) according
to the Einstein field equation Guv + /\zpfguv ~ 0 ...".

--------------------------------------------------------

Then, the question arises,
how do you build a real phased-array set of current loops ?

That's like asking Einstein in 1905 after he first writes down

E = mc^2

for a detailed blue print of the reactor for a nuclear submarine.

http://stardrive.org/cartoon/USSKron.html

Ask those little guys whizzing around Out There!


Do you build small loops of conventional superconductors
a la Carver Mead
or
negative permittivity structures such as those
of http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/cond-mat/9804195 ?

You tell me. What's the Carver Mead reference BTW.
We obviously need a Task Force to work on this problem, but DIA's
"UFOGuy" is too dense to get the point it appears.

How will negative electrical permittivity help?

Main thing is to get a coherent field that will beat against the vacuum
coherent field on a desired scale in a desired bandwidth set of temporal
frequencies and spatial wave numbers in a given region of space at a
given moment - i.e. wavelet transforms.

Do you build stiff diamondoid structures
a la Eric Drexler or the doped diamonds of
http://physicsweb.org/article/news/7/4/5 ?

Sounds like you are off to a good start. Send me your reports.

Do you build less-stiff organic-type structures
a la Eric Drexler ?

Do you work with crystal structures such as YBCO superconductors
a la Ning Li
or
non-YBCO materials as discussed by Ray Chaio
or
barium titanate, as to which Constantin Ivanenko said
"... importance of barium titanate - key component
of "psi-genome weapons" -
was intuitively foreseen by SF author H. Kuttner;
- who wrote in his '54 novel "Mutants" that "destiny of
Humankind is contained in the chip of barium titanate crystal". ...".
Barium titanate, like some high-temperature superconductors,
has a perovskite-type crystal structure. With some such things,
such a YBCO, you get superconductivity. With barium titanate,
you get interesting dielectric and pizeoelectric properties. ?


We need really high Tc not the puny things they have now. NO CRYOGENICS
at all. It must stay SC even in high T of re-entry should that become
necessary if there is some breakdown on board.

Or maybe there is some kind of pumped non-equilibrium Frohlich mode we
can use and avoid superconductivity altogether?


---------------------------------------------------------

As to some geopolitical matters:

What about Lev Navrozov's statement at
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/arti...5/210250.shtml
"... In contrast to Hitler,
who stupidly grabbed the rump of Czechoslovakia in 1939,
China has been very cautious in its territorial claims,
since the position of China now is the best for the development
of "Superweapon No. 3," such as the nano superweapon. ..."

Yeah the Chinese are likely to beat us to the punch because they are
less uptight about being "respectable" immersed in the hashish dreams of
M string theory, spin networks, foams and weaves - pretty math to be
sure, but as physics????

These mathematicians in physicist's clothing do not have any really good
physical ideas and they hope that arcane math will provide the magic
they seek like Faustus in his study at Wittenburg! Pun definitely
intended! :-)

A mathematical physicist is a mathematician who has given up trying to
do really important mathematics.


What about Herman Wouk's new book "A Hole in Texas",
which deals with a Chinese "Boson Bomb" related to
the vacuum-mass-Higgs system?

News to me. Tell us more.

K.M.N. wrote:
I am no expert, and I am also new to this NG, but is not one of the primary
characteristics of non-baryonic "dark matter" that it is immune to all of
the forces of nature except gravity? If that is the case, how could it be
"produced" by the manipulation of EM forces on any scale, a force to which
it is immune?

Nobody knows if it is ummune to "all" of the forces of nature.. merely the ones
that we can detect. If there are forces we haven't been able to detect other
than dark matter then we wouldn't be able to tell if those have an effect on
dark matter. If we knew how such a manipulation could be performed then dark
matter would be, by definition, no longer dark matter.

"MorituriMax" wrote in message
...
K.M.N. wrote:
I am no expert, and I am also new to this NG, but is not one of the
primary
characteristics of non-baryonic "dark matter" that it is immune to all
of
the forces of nature except gravity? If that is the case, how could it
be
"produced" by the manipulation of EM forces on any scale, a force to
which
it is immune?

Nobody knows if it is ummune to "all" of the forces of nature.. merely the
ones
that we can detect. If there are forces we haven't been able to detect
other

Are you saying that there might be other foces of nature than the
electroweak, the strong nuclear force, and gravity?

than dark matter then we wouldn't be able to tell if those have an effect
on
dark matter. If we knew how such a manipulation could be performed then
dark

How can you manipulate a force about which nothing is known in an attempt to
"create" a form of matter about which nothing is known?

matter would be, by definition, no longer dark matter.

It is not that I do not "believe in" dark matter, be it hot, cold, exotic,
or mundane, the observational evidence is too strong-it does exist. However,
to propose an additional fundamental force of nature to account for dark
matter is an unnecessary and drastic step at this stage. as a philosopher of
science might put it, it looks as though this is "multiplying unknowns
unnecessarily."

K.M.N. wrote:
Are you saying that there might be other foces of nature than the
electroweak, the strong nuclear force, and gravity?

Not really. I haven't detected such forces, but then again we haven't figured
out what dark matter is, so there is at least one other "force" or type of
matter or energy which is beyond detection by anything we have yet.

than dark matter then we wouldn't be able to tell if those have an effect on
dark matter. If we knew how such a manipulation could be performed then dark

How can you manipulate a force about which nothing is known in an attempt to
"create" a form of matter about which nothing is known?

You can't. I was speaking toward the fact that if we knew enough about it *to*
manipulate it or even detect it then it would no longer be an unknown.

matter would be, by definition, no longer dark matter.

It is not that I do not "believe in" dark matter, be it hot, cold, exotic,
or mundane, the observational evidence is too strong-it does exist. However,
to propose an additional fundamental force of nature to account for dark
matter is an unnecessary and drastic step at this stage. as a philosopher of
science might put it, it looks as though this is "multiplying unknowns
unnecessarily."

I wasn't proposing to add anything. Given time we might or might not determine
what dark matter is, or other forces beyond dark matter which we have yet to
discover. A couple of hundred years ago we didn't know nearly what we do now.
We just plod along and let the scientists use all their knowledge and education
to open new avenues of scientific research.

MorituriMax wrote:
Not really. I haven't detected such forces, but then again we haven't figured
out what dark matter is, so there is at least one other "force" or type of
matter or energy which is beyond detection by anything we have yet.

Slight correction, we can only detect "dark matter" by it's effect on the
universe around it.

"MorituriMax" wrote in message ...
MorituriMax wrote:
Not really. I haven't detected such forces, but then again we haven't figured
out what dark matter is, so there is at least one other "force" or type of
matter or energy which is beyond detection by anything we have yet.

Slight correction, we can only detect "dark matter" by it's effect on the
universe around it.


the universe is obviously made of 11 dimensional strings..