Tonight I enjoyed a delightful experience of capturing the mind as it
was thinking. I heard on the TV the mention of "orange" for the color.
And my mind in a flash thought of the word "orange" not of color but
of fruit and the mind began to ask whether the word "orange" for color
came into existence before the word "orange" for fruit. Now, if one
can go back into history many thousands perhaps million years ago,
then one would be able to answer that question.

The Brain Locus theory posits that the mind is like a radio where the
thoughts come from the Nucleus of the AtomTotality that are shot into
our heads via photons or neutrinos and like a radio antennae our
brains pick up the signal and then work in creating that "thought" in
our heads. The Brain Locus theory would then predict that if one were
encased in a massive vault of lead that kept out nearly all photons
and all neutrinos, that the person would become "thoughtless"
or "mindless", just as when a radio is put into a Faraday cage one
hears only static because the signal is lost.

The reason I bring up the Brain Locus theory tonight is because I
captured to a fair degree my thought processes concerning this issue
of "orange". I had never spent any time on thinking about the color
orange and the fruit orange and why these two have the same word. So
which came first, orange color or orange fruit? Did some prehistorical
human utter a word for orange as a color or utter it for the fruit? I
would guess the color came first because the fruit orange in
prehistory probably was rarely a brilliant color of orange and was
very small compared to the modern day fruit.

And in the split second I heard the word "orange" off the TV and
thinking of the origin of the word orange-- which came first, and
thinking about it for minutes later it occurred to me that the word
"orangutan" may give a clue as to the origin of the word "orange"
whether the color came before the fruit. I suppose orangutans are sort
of orangish in color.

This brings into question about the origin of words for the various
colors. And it would seem to me that colors would be a rather
philosophical sort of naming whereas words for animals-- food to eat
for prehistorical humanity takes priority. So I am guessing that the
line of origin of words in the case of "orange" would have been the
"orangutan" coming into existence as a word first, and then the word
for color, and finally, since I am guessing that the fruit was rare,
that the orange for fruit came in third.

How these ideas come popping into ones head and mind, from just out of
nowhere, to me is testimony that thoughts and the mind is more than
just chemicals sloshing around in a head to create the thoughts.
Suggests to me that the brain and mind is more like a Radio antennae
receiving the thoughts from a higher order and power which is the
Nucleus of the AtomTotality.

How else can one explain spontaneous creativity, or thoughts that the
mind simply had no predilection for in one moment of time and then a
split second later have a waterfall or avalanche of thoughts and ideas
on that subject.

Archimedes Plutonium
whole entire Universe is just one big atom where dots
of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies

On a sunny day (15 Jan 2004 22:38:43 -0800) it happened
(Archimedes Plutonium) wrote in
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Fly came first, it is fruit fly, so and since flies are faster it came first.

(Archimedes Plutonium) wrote in message . com...
Tonight I enjoyed a delightful experience of capturing the mind as it
was thinking. I heard on the TV the mention of "orange" for the color.
And my mind in a flash thought of the word "orange" not of color but
of fruit and the mind began to ask whether the word "orange" for color
came into existence before the word "orange" for fruit. Now, if one
can go back into history many thousands perhaps million years ago,
then one would be able to answer that question.



After looking at the listing in my American Heritage dictionary, I
will say the word "orange" comes from a Sanskrit word "naranga", which
originally referred to the orange tree (and its fruit.) The fruit is
not always orange in color: many oranges have green skin, and some
have red or yellow pulp.

(Timothy Horrigan) wrote in message . com...
(snip)

After looking at the listing in my American Heritage dictionary, I
will say the word "orange" comes from a Sanskrit word "naranga", which
originally referred to the orange tree (and its fruit.) The fruit is
not always orange in color: many oranges have green skin, and some
have red or yellow pulp.

It is logical that most words for things in their earliest prehistory
coming into existence would be some guttural utterance to associate
word with thing.

For example: the word "hello" or "hi" or any such general greeting in
prehistory would tend to logically follow the laughter of a
individual. So that we can see how "hi hi hi hi" as a greeting would
come from laughter of "ha ha ha ha".

So, prehistoric man would have seen say a orangutan and the easiest
word to come to his mind would be "narang" and that word stuck to the
animal. And this prehistoric man would point to the animal and say
narang to other members of the tribe or clan.

Logic also would say that the first human religions would be based
upon animals as sort of deities or gods because food was the essential
and central aspect of early human life. So it is not surprizing that
earliest recorded history such as the Egyptians would have a cow as a
god. Going back further in history, then we would expect animals to be
the chief gods and we see support of that logic in the cave paintings
of France.

An animal to eat like a orangutan would have merited a "word" long
before a concept like the color of "orange" would have merited a word.
In this regard, logic would say that the word for the color red was
probably the first color word since red in blood would have been so
fantastically different from other colors and a prehuman in danger
whenever red appeared on his body.

Now I believe the color red starts with an "r" in many languages. And
it is not coincidence that when we are in fear or danger that the
sound of "rrrr" comes quickly out of the mouth. Such as "rrrrr......"
that evokes the emotion of fear or danger. And so the word for the
color red probably came into existence in this manner.

So, probably the word for the color orange came into existence by way
of the animal orangutan. The color orange on the fruit would have been
rare and isolated in prehistory. Only in modern horticulture does the
fruit orange come into such prominence. But make no mistake about it,
prehistorical man came upon the small tiny fruit of oranges and named
it after what reminded him of the animal in trees of the orangutan. So
the history of evolution of the word orange for fruit and orange for
color and orangutan probably had this time sequence:

orangutan --- orange (fruit) --- orange (color)

Archimedes Plutonium
whole entire Universe is just one big atom where dots
of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies

Jacques Guy wrote:

Archimedes Plutonium wrote:

orangutan --- orange (fruit) --- orange (color)

O range! O désespoir! Neige dans vingt culs! Queue, bourre cet enfant
mis!

Or for another version:

http://www.locus-solus.org/machine/t...rm.asp?txt=cid

Archimedes Plutonium wrote:

orangutan --- orange (fruit) --- orange (color)


O range! O désespoir! Neige dans vingt culs! Queue, bourre cet enfant
mis!