"Bootstrap Bill" wrote in message
...

"Uncle Al" wrote in message
...
Jack Sarfatti wrote:
[snip]
Nothing.

The universe is composed of desire. The purpose of the universe is
twofold:

1) Excrement.
2) Orgasms.

HIV/AIDS demonstrates the inadvisability of combining the two.

--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz.pdf
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/eotvos.htm
(Do something naughty to physics)

so the big bang was one huge orgasm? Hmmmm.....

That, or one huge excrement.

http://qedcorp.com/APS/


On Saturday, January 3, 2004, at 10:24 PM, Tony Smith wrote:

TS: Jack, in discussing your cosmology you recently said

"... /\ = (Quantized Area)^-2[(Quantized Volume)|PSI|^2 - 1]

Where

/\ ~ (H/c)^2 ..."

and

"... Dark energy is almost 2/3 of the Universe and
is a repelling anti-gravity field.

.... Dark matter is almost 1/3 of the Universe and
is an attractive gravity field that is not made of
the elementary particles the stars and us are made of.

.... Ordinary matter and light is
only a very tiny part of the Universe. ...".

------------------------------------

How, in your model, do you calculate DE = 2/3 and DM = 1/3
and OM = small ?"

JS: I don't calculate it. They are observable facts. I am merely
explaining the generic mechanism via Vacuum Coherence that Chapline has
also thought of before me, but with a different more complicated
mechanism. I tend now to favor the WAP "chaotic inflation" idea that
Susskind also embraces in his "Landscape" idea. Of course, if you or
Carlos Castro and others can compute these numbers from first
principles, i.e. a unique universe falsifying the idea in Max Tegmark's
May 2003 Scientific American, that would also of great importance. I am
not wedded to WAP.


TS: Is it related to the way I roughly estimate that,
which is by using the conformal Lie algebra to generate
gravity plus Higgs mechanism,
and
noticing that the 15 generators are
3 Rotations;
3 Boosts;
4 Translations;
4 Special Conformal transformations; and
1 Dilatation,
and
then saying that
the 1 Dilatation produces the Higgs
which produces OM (ordinary mass) as about 1/15
and
the DM (dark matter) is produced by the 4 translations, about 4/15
and
the DE (dark energy) is produced by the 6 rotations/boosts
and the 4 special conformal transformations, about 10/15
?

JS: I don't know because I do not yet understand what you are doing. I
do not understand your picture and your basic motivation. I am only now
beginning to think about the conformal group in the context of local
gauge invariance. Carlos Castro and M. Pavsic seem to have a powerful
general formalism which includes the conformal group and a lot of
M-theory. I do not understand that well enough yet. Remember I am only
using simple ideas like from the 1930's (Dirac's Negative Sea) and
1950's & 1960's i.e local gauge, ODLRO, BCS, Regge trajectories, and
also Bohm's ontology and from the 1990's Hagen Kleinert's "elastic
crystal" version of GR.

TS: The conformal structure of gravity (a la Irving Ezra Segal) seems
to be give, in that way, a pretty realistic picture of how our
universe is made up of DE, DM, and OM,
which is something that I don't see coming from superstrings
or loop quantum gravity.

JS: Perhaps but you need to explain that more in a way my intuitive mind
can grasp.
Start doing it now in e-mails. Start at the very beginning and go
linearly in small steps
as much as you can. I know that is not easy. :-)

TS: Also, the ratio is not free to wander everywhere a la the
superstring landscape model of Susskind in which there exist
universes with all sorts of laws of physics, particle masses,
and force strengths (all of which in my model are also fixed
and not wandering around all over the place).

Tony

Jack Sarfatti wrote:
[snip]
Nothing.

The universe is composed of desire. The purpose of the universe is
twofold:

1) Excrement.
2) Orgasms.

HIV/AIDS demonstrates the inadvisability of combining the two.

--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz.pdf
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/eotvos.htm
(Do something naughty to physics)

"Uncle Al" wrote in message
...
Jack Sarfatti wrote:
[snip]
Nothing.

The universe is composed of desire. The purpose of the universe is
twofold:

1) Excrement.
2) Orgasms.

HIV/AIDS demonstrates the inadvisability of combining the two.

--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz.pdf
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/eotvos.htm
(Do something naughty to physics)

so the big bang was one huge orgasm? Hmmmm.....

"Bootstrap Bill" wrote in message
...
"Uncle Al" wrote in message
...
Jack Sarfatti wrote:
[snip]
Nothing.

The universe is composed of desire.
The purpose of the universe is twofold:
1) Excrement.
2) Orgasms.
HIV/AIDS demonstrates the inadvisability of combining the two.
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz.pdf
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/eotvos.htm
(Do something naughty to physics)

so the big bang was one huge orgasm? Hmmmm.....

Didn't you understand what Al said:
Al was there, watched the orgasm, got naughty & took a huge ****.
It's that simple. No Hmmmm.....
ahahaha.....ahahahanson

On Sun, 04 Jan 2004 20:31:35 GMT, "Bootstrap Bill"
wrote:


"Uncle Al" wrote in message
...
Jack Sarfatti wrote:
[snip]
Nothing.

The universe is composed of desire. The purpose of the universe is
twofold:

1) Excrement.
2) Orgasms.

HIV/AIDS demonstrates the inadvisability of combining the two.

--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz.pdf
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/eotvos.htm
(Do something naughty to physics)

so the big bang was one huge orgasm? Hmmmm.....


Even God gets off every once in a while.





--
Dr.Postman USPS, MBMC, BsD; "Disgruntled, But Unarmed"
Member,Board of Directors of afa-b, SKEP-TI-CULT® member #15-51506-253.
You can email me at: TuriFake(at)hotmail.com

"Shake it like a polaroid picture."
- Andre 3000 of Outkast

On Sun, 04 Jan 2004 20:31:35 GMT, "Bootstrap Bill"
wrote:


"Uncle Al" wrote in message
...
Jack Sarfatti wrote:
[snip]
Nothing.

The universe is composed of desire. The purpose of the universe is
twofold:

1) Excrement.
2) Orgasms.

HIV/AIDS demonstrates the inadvisability of combining the two.

--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz.pdf
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/eotvos.htm
(Do something naughty to physics)

so the big bang was one huge orgasm? Hmmmm.....


Even God gets off every once in a while.





--
Dr.Postman USPS, MBMC, BsD; "Disgruntled, But Unarmed"
Member,Board of Directors of afa-b, SKEP-TI-CULT® member #15-51506-253.
You can email me at: TuriFake(at)hotmail.com

"Shake it like a polaroid picture."
- Andre 3000 of Outkast

For starters, besides the mostly 6e6 6e9 hydrogen atoms/m3, the
universe has been made up of mostly disinformation, then political
lies and loads of hidden agendas plus ulterior motives up the kazoo.

Just adding up the universe at 6e9/m3, and that's a great deal of
mass, though we've got to do the MOON next (first time for everything)
before Venus, as in one small step, then whatever is possible.

As for this next time around, if our NASA is actually going for the
moon, this effort is going to be starting itself off from near
scratch, as so far there's absolutely nothing documented from our past
nor of what's in current inventory that has ever worked, or has
potential for getting man to/from any ET surface, much less of the
nastier lunar surface. Christ almighty, half the time we still can't
even get our relatively miniature probes down onto another surface as
planned.

My continuing thoughts on the need for delivering pure h2o2 seems like
a perfectly good notion for importing such to the lunar surface, along
with a small amount of c12h26 and the LM-1 bus is off and running on
it internal IRRCE. Our next stop could be Venus, or at least a lunar
established interplanetary communications link so that we don't have
to physically go there.

I've got just a couple hundred thousand words about our resident
warlord taking us back to the moon, I feel somewhat most strongly like
following in his educational "high standards and accountability"
that's only being recently superseded by his "so what's the
difference" policy.

For starters, it's about time, whereas actually for the first time
we'd be actually doing humanity a terrific sort of favor, especially
if we can get our fearless leader to ride in one of those Apollo
landers and strut about for 36 hours in one of those Apollo moon
suits, as that way we'd stand our best chance ever of getting rid of
the *******, once and for all.

Otherwise I'm all for investing into whatever it takes in establishing
ourselves on the moon before others take possession of all that nifty
He3.

I believe the moon well return a profit within the first year, then
it'll offer the gateway to other planets like Mars and Venus, though
whom would want to goto a frozen and irradiated to death planet like
Mars?

Some good readings: SADDAM HUSSEIN and The SAND PIRATES
http://mittymax.com/Archive/0085-Sad...andPirates.htm

G.W. Bush, on the moon and still lying about something.
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-gwb-moon.htm
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/moon-04.htm

http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-interplanetary.htm

Regards, Brad Guth / IEIS~GASA

"Moon Dirt isn't just Moon Dirt, it's Everything Dirt"

I have absolutely no doubts that once upon a time Mars had a
sufficient atmosphere, thereby a warmer and radiation protected
environment, possibly even long enough to have sustained either
natural evolution and/or of some well intended terraforming on behalf
of establishing some life similar to human.

Unfortunately, there are certain limits to which life and of it's
DNA/RNA as we know it can coexist within the confines of what Mars has
had to offer for the past few thousand years, and certainly things are
not getting any better.

The more the likes of Mars core cools itself off, the worse becomes
any opportunity for that planet to revive itself, short of receiving a
massive infusion of artificial energy, such as what 1000 terawatts per
year as derived from our lunar He3 might have to offer.

Some good readings: SADDAM HUSSEIN and The SAND PIRATES
http://mittymax.com/Archive/0085-Sad...andPirates.htm

The latest insults to this Mars/Moon injury:
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-moon-02.htm

http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-gwb-moon.htm

http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-interplanetary.htm

http://guthvenus.tripod.com/moon-04.htm

Brad Guth (or somebody else of the same name) wrote in message
thusly:

"Moon Dirt isn't just Moon Dirt, it's Everything Dirt"

I have absolutely no doubts that once upon a time Mars had a
sufficient atmosphere, thereby a warmer and radiation protected
environment, possibly even long enough to have sustained either
natural evolution and/or of some well intended terraforming on behalf
of establishing some life similar to human.

FWIW my own opinion is that Mars has had a substantial atmosphere and
possibly even running water, at several points in its history.

The times when it was hit by a comet.

Since Mars' gravity is too weak to hold this stuff in the atmosphere for
long, it is lost to space - until the next time.
--
Paul Townsend
I put it down there, and when I went back to it, there it was GONE!

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