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Old December 22nd 03 posted to sci.physics
Sam Wormley
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Default An astronaut with a problem

Eero wrote:

Consider an astronaut who orbits circularly with a spacecraft at distance L
from a planet's center. The planet's radius, mass and acceleration of
gravity at its surface are R, M and g.
Now, the astronaut wants to fire a bullet and hit the planet. What minimum
initial speed of the bullet is necessary to do this?(Supposing no air
resistence)


What have you done so far to approach this problem?
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Old December 22nd 03 posted to sci.physics
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Eero wrote:

Consider an astronaut who orbits circularly with a spacecraft at distance L
from a planet's center. The planet's radius, mass and acceleration of
gravity at its surface are R, M and g.
Now, the astronaut wants to fire a bullet and hit the planet. What minimum
initial speed of the bullet is necessary to do this?(Supposing no air
resistence)


1) What is the current velocity vector?
2) What is the minimum velocity vector for orbit?
3) Do the obvious, with the angle set maximize the velocity
increment in the appropriate direction.

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Old December 22nd 03 posted to sci.physics
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Default An astronaut with a problem

Consider an astronaut who orbits circularly with a spacecraft at distance L
from a planet's center. The planet's radius, mass and acceleration of
gravity at its surface are R, M and g.
Now, the astronaut wants to fire a bullet and hit the planet. What minimum
initial speed of the bullet is necessary to do this?(Supposing no air
resistence)




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Old December 22nd 03 posted to sci.physics
Greg Neill
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Default An astronaut with a problem

"Eero" wrote in message
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Consider an astronaut who orbits circularly with a spacecraft at distance

L
from a planet's center. The planet's radius, mass and acceleration of
gravity at its surface are R, M and g.
Now, the astronaut wants to fire a bullet and hit the planet. What minimum
initial speed of the bullet is necessary to do this?(Supposing no air
resistence)


First tell us, is this a homework problem and if so when
is it due?


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Old December 22nd 03 posted to sci.physics
Andrew Resnick
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Default A student with a homework problem

In Eero wrote:
Consider an astronaut who orbits circularly with a spacecraft at
distance L from a planet's center. The planet's radius, mass and
acceleration of gravity at its surface are R, M and g. Now, the
astronaut wants to fire a bullet and hit the planet. What minimum
initial speed of the bullet is necessary to do this?(Supposing no air
resistence)


The answer is 5, using appropriate units.
--
Andrew Resnick, Ph. D.
National Center for Microgravity Research
NASA Glenn Research Center
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Old December 22nd 03 posted to sci.physics
Franz Heymann
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Default An astronaut with a problem


"Uncle Al" wrote in message
...
Eero wrote:

Consider an astronaut who orbits circularly with a spacecraft at

distance L
from a planet's center. The planet's radius, mass and acceleration of
gravity at its surface are R, M and g.
Now, the astronaut wants to fire a bullet and hit the planet. What

minimum
initial speed of the bullet is necessary to do this?(Supposing no air
resistence)


1) What is the current velocity vector?
2) What is the minimum velocity vector for orbit?
3) Do the obvious, with the angle set maximize the velocity
increment in the appropriate direction.


Uncle Al, that is the worst advice you have given in a long time.

Franz


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Old December 22nd 03 posted to sci.physics
Mark Martin
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Default An astronaut with a problem

"Eero" wrote in message ...
Consider an astronaut who orbits circularly with a spacecraft at distance L
from a planet's center. The planet's radius, mass and acceleration of
gravity at its surface are R, M and g.
Now, the astronaut wants to fire a bullet and hit the planet. What minimum
initial speed of the bullet is necessary to do this?(Supposing no air
resistence)


First clue: Fire the bullet retrograde, in the direction opposite
the astronaut's orbital velocity. This will drop it out of the initial
circular orbit to a lower energy elliptical orbit. If the new orbit's
eccentricity is great enough, it'll intersect the planet. (This will
also increase the astronaut's energy, putting it into an elliptical
orbit with periapsis on the orginal orbit, and an apoapsis at a higher
altitude.)

-Mark Martin
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Old December 22nd 03 posted to sci.physics
Mel Lep
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Default An astronaut with a problem

"Greg Neill" wrote:

"Eero" wrote in message
...
Consider an astronaut who orbits circularly with a spacecraft at distance

L
from a planet's center. The planet's radius, mass and acceleration of
gravity at its surface are R, M and g.
Now, the astronaut wants to fire a bullet and hit the planet. What minimum
initial speed of the bullet is necessary to do this?(Supposing no air
resistence)


First tell us, is this a homework problem and if so when
is it due?


Google: Eero + problem

Take it as a challenge!
Me thinks Eero already knows the solution.
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Old December 23rd 03 posted to sci.physics
Uncle Al
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Default An astronaut with a problem

Franz Heymann wrote:

"Uncle Al" wrote in message
...
Eero wrote:

Consider an astronaut who orbits circularly with a spacecraft at

distance L
from a planet's center. The planet's radius, mass and acceleration of
gravity at its surface are R, M and g.
Now, the astronaut wants to fire a bullet and hit the planet. What

minimum
initial speed of the bullet is necessary to do this?(Supposing no air
resistence)


1) What is the current velocity vector?
2) What is the minimum velocity vector for orbit?
3) Do the obvious, with the angle set maximize the velocity
increment in the appropriate direction.



Well... he could angle the vector to give an otherwise OK orbit that
intersected the planet. Do you think he is up to it? Dropping the
bullet out of orbit seemed like a decent compromise.

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Old December 23rd 03 posted to sci.physics
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"Eero" wrote in message
...
Consider an astronaut who orbits circularly with a spacecraft at distance

L
from a planet's center. The planet's radius, mass and acceleration of
gravity at its surface are R, M and g.
Now, the astronaut wants to fire a bullet and hit the planet. What minimum
initial speed of the bullet is necessary to do this?(Supposing no air
resistence)


Nice quotation of a homework type question. Show us your work.


 




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