Nick Cook's "Hunt for the Zero Point"

http://www.salon.com/books/review/20.../zero_gravity/

On Tuesday, November 4, 2003, at 03:12 PM, wigstonmagna wrote:

--- In , Jack Sarfatti
sarfatti@w... wrote:
How about this from a PhD physicist, in the minority, who has
studied the UFO subject:

"I did some investigating and interviewed retired senior USG
executives
who laid the Nazi flying saucer (disguised as UFOs) claim (a la
Cook's book) to rest - it didn't exist and it didn't fly."

Which is pretty much what I have also been saying about Cook's
book BTW.

I'm interested in any debunkery of Cook's book. What did this Ph.D.
fellow discover precisely?

You need to ask him. I have bcc'd him on this. He can reveal his ID if
he wishes. He has USG Intelligence connections for information.

The point is that we at ISSO 1999-2000 at checked out many of the bogus
claims on zero point energy by fringe people and found them to be
essentially worthless.
Creon Levit on leave from NASA Ames did a very thorough job on several
of the claims. More information on this is in my two books from 2002
"Destiny Matrix" and "Space-Time and Beyond II" and in my semi-popular
Oct 24, 2003 Austin Texas talk "What Is The Universe Made Of" to the
Society for Literature and Science
http://qedcorp.com/APS/StarGate1.mov

Note of clarification I do not include the Haisch-Puthoff zero point
energy program nor Puthoff's PV gravity program in the same crackpot
category as ALL the other work mentioned by Nick Cook in his book. My
objections to the HRP program are that they do not ask the right
questions, are basically superficial in their formulations, make some
errors of interpretation of their formalisms and most importantly have
not led to any testable predictions nor any clarifying explanations of
significant problems and mysteries, e.g the UFO. They are not "bogus"
physics simply "wrong" physics in my humble opinion.

A few specifics:

1. On the zero point origin of inertia - it is a mistake to look only at
the virtual photons. It is the virtual electron-positrons that is most
important.

2. There is no "vacuum coherence" in their idea set. That throws the
baby out with the bathwater because guv Einstein's metric field for
curved spacetime emerges from that non-perturbative vacuum coherence of
the virtual electron-positron pairs primarily. So does the dark
energy/matter that is 96% of the universe that does not appear anywhere
in their models. They have been working on this for almost 20 years with
little to show really.

3. There is no PV (i.e. no quantum polarized fluctuations) in Puthoff's
PV math.

4. Puthoff and Ibison mis-interpret the physical meaning of their
isotropic radial r coordinate in their toy model K = e^2GM/c^r

Puthoff is very interested in UFOs and that is a primary motivation for
this zero point gravity work. Nowhere do Puthoff and Haisch et-al
squarely face the number

String Tension = c^4/8piG = 10^19 Gev per 10^-33 cm which prevents any
plausible explanation of UFO "metric engineering" with their brute force
approach. Space-time geometry is simply too stiff to bend with the
energy schemes they have in their paradigm. They are missing some very
essential new concepts.

Cook is a very approachable fellow; have
you cross-checked with him also?

-Andrew

Cook contacted me before he wrote the book. He did not like what I told
him about the flaky stuff he was pushing so he
erased me from his book. That told me he was not intellectually honest,
but had some hidden non-scientific agenda. I
find this disturbing since he is associated with Jane's Defence Weekly
in UK.

what use do you get from these postings,
when you never reply to your critics?... do you think that
we're going to drop our gaurd,
letting go of Eternal Vigilance?

Ode to the Reichsaucer?... or can it all be ascribed
to Puthoff's "remote viewing research?"
I cannot imagine the repartee to follow your address
to the Austin Powers Society for Science and Lit.!

Jack Sarfatti wrote in message .com...

http://www.salon.com/books/review/20.../zero_gravity/

"I did some investigating and interviewed retired senior USG
executives
who laid the Nazi flying saucer (disguised as UFOs) claim (a la
Cook's book) to rest - it didn't exist and it didn't fly."

erased me from his book. That told me he was not intellectually honest,
but had some hidden non-scientific agenda. I
find this disturbing since he is associated with Jane's Defence Weekly

--ils duces d'Enron!
http://larouchepub.com/other/2003/3043soros_dems.html

In article , says...

what use do you get from these postings,
when you never reply to your critics?... do you think that
we're going to drop our gaurd,
letting go of Eternal Vigilance?

Ode to the Reichsaucer?... or can it all be ascribed
to Puthoff's "remote viewing research?"
I cannot imagine the repartee to follow your address
to the Austin Powers Society for Science and Lit.!

Jack Sarfatti wrote in message .com...

http://www.salon.com/books/review/20.../zero_gravity/

"I did some investigating and interviewed retired senior USG
executives
who laid the Nazi flying saucer (disguised as UFOs) claim (a la
Cook's book) to rest - it didn't exist and it didn't fly."

erased me from his book. That told me he was not intellectually honest,
but had some hidden non-scientific agenda. I
find this disturbing since he is associated with Jane's Defence Weekly


I think that there is enough evidence to support the claims that
these ET craft exist, and have an exotic power supply.

My educated guess is that they are using em waves to create
a low pressure em area and then they fall into it.

The vast difference between their physics and ours, IMHO is that
we look at gravity as a field, and a separate force from
electromagnetism, whereas they may be viewing gravity as
a side effect, the basic pressure of the universe,
fueled by expansion.

From the center of every atom, waves are emitted. Black body
radiation is a clue here.

These waves combine, and cause gravity. Below the level of
detection, what we refer to as virtual particles, is
a pressurized zone, the basic pressure of the universe.

Examine th eloaf of bread expanding, from all points within.

The expansion as a ray from all points, equals the force
of gravity. One pole.

By using em waves, which permeate all of space anyway,
they are able to affect even the zone which lies under
our level of detection, and can project a low pressure
area, or gravity well, whereupon, the vehicle then falls
into that well.

See the Hutchinson videos, Hutchison effect, and the broom
which takes off like a rocket, while under the influence
of em waves from powerful RF transmitters, as proof.

"Rick Sobie" wrote in message
news:ciiqb.313132$6C4.233626@pd7tw1no...
In article ,
says...

what use do you get from these postings,
when you never reply to your critics?... do you think that
we're going to drop our gaurd,
letting go of Eternal Vigilance?

Ode to the Reichsaucer?... or can it all be ascribed
to Puthoff's "remote viewing research?"
I cannot imagine the repartee to follow your address
to the Austin Powers Society for Science and Lit.!

Jack Sarfatti wrote in message
.com...

http://www.salon.com/books/review/20.../zero_gravity/

"I did some investigating and interviewed retired senior USG
executives
who laid the Nazi flying saucer (disguised as UFOs) claim (a la
Cook's book) to rest - it didn't exist and it didn't fly."

erased me from his book. That told me he was not intellectually honest,
but had some hidden non-scientific agenda. I
find this disturbing since he is associated with Jane's Defence Weekly


I think that there is enough evidence to support the claims that
these ET craft exist, and have an exotic power supply.

My educated guess is that they are using em waves to create
a low pressure em area and then they fall into it.

The vast difference between their physics and ours, IMHO is that
we look at gravity as a field, and a separate force from
electromagnetism, whereas they may be viewing gravity as
a side effect, the basic pressure of the universe,
fueled by expansion.

From the center of every atom, waves are emitted. Black body
radiation is a clue here.

These waves combine, and cause gravity. Below the level of
detection, what we refer to as virtual particles, is
a pressurized zone, the basic pressure of the universe.

Examine th eloaf of bread expanding, from all points within.

The expansion as a ray from all points, equals the force
of gravity. One pole.

By using em waves, which permeate all of space anyway,
they are able to affect even the zone which lies under
our level of detection, and can project a low pressure
area, or gravity well, whereupon, the vehicle then falls
into that well.

See the Hutchinson videos, Hutchison effect, and the broom
which takes off like a rocket, while under the influence
of em waves from powerful RF transmitters, as proof.



No silly that's not how they do it...

This is: Http://Paul.Mays.Com/device.html

Note the predicted flight characteristics.... Non
Newtonian flight, undetectable while under power,
faster than light velocity, no thruster audio just
the sounds of the power system when not fully
charged/stressed, materials would be required
to be strong but extremely low mass (ala Roswell)
, ability to very quickly accelerate and decelerate
with out inertia impingements, no impact with
massive objects at trans light speed, very low power
requirements since the Quantum State is modified by
a 0 current, high voltage static charge once the
field is charged it requires no current to maintain and
directed motion is only varying the plate voltage
relationships so only current is required when making
a change in direction or velocity to recharge any plate
that was reduced in voltage to induce the change.....
Once the craft/device is in the gravitational well of
a large massive object the device /craft must continuously
vary its plate charge relationships to match the local
variance in local gravitational anomalies giving the
device/craft a bouncy, jittery motion when in slow
velocity low stress field state which would seem
smoother as velocity increased... Seem to match
observed flight characteristics quite well....


And here's a working demo you can build to
see the concept in action..

Http://ripkaboroski.com/device5b.jpg

Science is fun for all ages.....

Now I got a customer calling for a bridge I have up
for sale on EBay.... so gota run... Ta Ta....



Paul R. Mays
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Some where within the Quantum State
Http://Paul.Mays.Com/story.html
http://paul.mays.com/mayday.html
http://paul.mays.com/rainy.html


"We must be clear that, when it comes to atoms,
language can be used only as in poetry."
Niels Bohr

To see my previous post on this subject you may have to hunt it
down. It appears to have disappeared into the vacuum of space.

Further on this...


The loaf of bread expands from all points.

Each outwardly as a ray.
The force of gravity single pole.
Universe as a pressurized system.
The virtual particles existing below the level of detection,
creates this pressure.

Virtual particles in actuality, the waves causing the universe
to expand. em waves existing below the level of detection.


EM waves are used to cancel out the em waves that exist below
level of detection, causing a gravity well.

The obkect then falls into the projected gravity well.

See the Hutchison Effect as proof.

Further...

In GR, any body with mass, has a gravity field around it bending space,
this is likley due to black body radiation, cancelling out
some of the normal em waves that form the basic pressure of
the universe.

In accordance with the inverse square law, consistent with
both GR and Newtons Law of Gravitaion, (basically the same as F=ma )

As you get further away from an object, the interference of
black body radiation is less, hence the gravity well is less.

Either Hutchison stumbled onto the correct frequencies by accident
and has not been able to reproduce the effect since the team
re-calibrated his equipment, or Locheed Martin and others
are well aware of it, and it is classified.

Due to the fact that it toys with the basic fabric of space time.

If you could tune the RF equipment to the frequency of this
background field slash pressurized zone we call gravity,
then you can also affect the covalent bond of atoms.

See also the Hutchison Effect where this was done.

It stems from the fact that each atom emits em waves,
these waves as they interact we call charge.

etc...

In article , says...


And here's a working demo you can build to
see the concept in action..

Http://ripkaboroski.com/device5b.jpg

Science is fun for all ages.....

Now I got a customer calling for a bridge I have up
for sale on EBay.... so gota run... Ta Ta....



Where is your video of it up and running like the Hutchison video
as seen on TLC?

http://www.theverylastpageoftheinter.../hutchison.htm
(real alternative - free and better than the free real player available below)
http://le3.edskes.com/realalt110.exe

View the video, pay no attention to the media spin.

Rather than _your Goldberg device, why not just use a giant Casimir
device, and have a long metal arm with huge plate extended in front
of your plate like space ship. As the side with the seat in it
approaches the other plate, you merely re-extend the arm,
and like a space caterpillar, you gracefully squirm your way,
through space and time.

A bit difficult to see where you are going, but then you could
mount a camera. If you wanted to. You could even have
all the comforts as the device would also produce copious
amounts of electricity.

You would of course have to build it in space, as it would be
too large to construct on earth.

Further...

We can posit a space ship, with an exotic power source,
perhaps something akin to dilithium crystals, whereby
the frequency they emit, when excited by a current,
is the frequency that matches the background radiation or
perhaps the permeability of free space or permitivity
of free space and as such cancells out the normal pressure
of the universe in that localized area.

See the rotating ceramic superconducters et al, and Star Trek
where Scottie says, "It's no use Captain, the dilitium crystals
are fractured, the main thrusters are jammed, and I canna
get no powr!"

Not only feasibile, but quite blatantly obvious, when you consider
the Casimir effect, the Hutchison Effect, and the rotating
ceramic superconducters.

It has been achieved. Not publicized or perhaps not controlled
as yet but it has been achieved.

The idea that it might be mere static electricity is eroneous and
false.

A simple proof, would be to look at the Hutchison videos,
and clock the objects on take off, and see how many feet
per second they move.

In the video, one scientist stated "accellerated" which leads
me to believe they did just that. The idea that you could
perpetrate a hoax to that scale, is ludicrous.
Hence they declared the effect genuine. After looking at the tapes
themself for obvious tampering I am sure.

Would there be any time effects? That is the question.
I don't think so. Reason being, the universe in this
time frame is relative in size to all other atoms in this
time frame, other timeframes having larger or smaller atoms.

The objects would get bigger or smaller if there were
even a small deviation in time.

The universe is expanding as it should, and in accordance,
with GR of course.

Is the universe filled with dark mass?

No. That is an artifact of the math.

There is no dark matter. The universe is a pressurized system.

It wants to expand. Into an area outside the universe, that
has no pressure. Just as a balloon released at depths expands
as it nears the surface.

The only thing keeping it from expanding all at once, is
the attraction of the forces between the atoms in the universeand
the permitivity of free space etc. Resistance.

No need for any cosmological constant, but if you used one
to represent that force of expansion, that would just be
accepting a fact of nature, and not a fudge of the figures.

Is it the big bang that is the motor behind it, or just
the fact that it is a pressurinzed system like a gas.

I think that it could be both or either but the expanding
gas model, is probably going to get more laughs from
pre pubescent male fart mongers in physics 101.

What do you think Stephen?

There's a book and a mini series in there I am sure.
(And an audio casset set for the retirement. No ofense,
but black holes already. Oy vey)

Actually if to be speaking along the lines of exotic power/energy
resources for anything interplanetary worthy and further, this one is
way more than convincing (his video tape is worth the price and then
some):

David Sereda: EVIDENCE the case for NASA UFOs
http://www.ufonasa.com/


Here's another topic or two about our frozen and irradiated to death
Mars:

I've looked again at some of the most interesting of Mars images; of
those frozen trees or bushes or whatever looks like trees and/or
bushes.

I tend to agree that the Mars-tree image is simply too *plan view* and
not of sufficient perspective to fully appreciate the vertical
attributes, though I do believe there is a sufficient amount of
vertical structure that's placing such patterns above the surface, of
which is still not excluding some hybrid crystal growth rather than of
frozen and irradiated to death trees or perhaps bushes.

The notion of there being "star dunes" was offered by Tom Newcomb, is
certainly just as worth another look-see as if those were once
organic. Though for some unexplained reason there's been insufficient
efforts at navigating the imaging probe into a better position for a
perspective view.

If we had applied the sort of SAR imaging technology as the Magellan
did of Venus, at the rather terrific perspective view of 43°, then lo
and behold we'd have far more usable as well as believable pixels to
boot.

From my observation of those same "Mars trees" images
(http://www.geocities.com/bradguth/mars-01.htm), I tend to feel the
shadows projected are more likely suggesting such are of sufficient
conical structure, though that doesn't rule out the notions of "star
dunes" nor of "mineral structures". As frozen trees or bushes tend to
go, they're obviously not representing sufficient solids as to create
a crisp shadow. There may likely be a good deal of crystal growth on
top of whatever died, creating even further opacity and/or diffusion
of light.

The pathetically thin (7 to 8 mb) and damn cold (except for a few
tropical zone hours above freezing), as well as for being situated
within a horrifically irradiated to death environment (being further
away from the sun may reduce the solar flak but it's certainly not
helping with fending off the cosmic flak), would have needed a
transition of perhaps at least thousands of years for DNA/RNA to have
adapted. So far, I don't believe the surface impacts as indicated on
half of Mars is offering much hope, but for a few years at best, since
all environmental hell must have broken lose once Mars was impacted to
such an extent.

BTW; I've updated one of my pages pertaining to obtaining and/or
extracting energy on location, of where others have been making a
tough go of it on Venus: http://guthvenus.tripod.com/fire-on-venus.htm

Regards, Brad Guth / IEIS~GASA

(Brad Guth) wrote in message . com...
Actually if to be speaking along the lines of exotic power/energy
resources for anything interplanetary worthy and further, this one is
way more than convincing (his video tape is worth the price and then
some):

David Sereda: EVIDENCE the case for NASA UFOs
http://www.ufonasa.com/


Besides the before mentioned evidence that was extracted from NASA, as
offered by David Sereda, I've got a little something other that's
cooking on the moon, as for obtaining a lunar gateway or pitstop for
going to places like Mars and Venus.

http://guthvenus.tripod.com/lunar-space-elevator.htm

http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-lse-he3.htm

http://guthvenus.tripod.com/moon-04.htm

Brad Guth wrote:


Besides the before mentioned evidence that was extracted from NASA, as
offered by David Sereda, I've got a little something other that's
cooking on the moon, as for obtaining a lunar gateway or pitstop for
going to places like Mars and Venus.



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