I have been biting my tongue about the IQ test but I can't any more.

How reliable is a test that use the term "Asian" to represent the most
diverse of ethnic and cultural groups?

If you want to know more about the diversity, ask me and I will give
you tons of specific examples. Here is one: An example of cultural
differences (that affects their educational goals) of the two groups -
ethnically the same and speak the same EXACT langauge - in Burma who
are the descendants of the people who came to Burma from a town known
as Surat, India during the British colonial days.

Now, do not assume that they are racially the same as the majority of
northern Indian population, i.e Indo-Aryan. What I am aware of is that
they are descendants of those who came from Central Asia (to india)
and may be MIXED with the locals of India (I haven't checked into
that) like the majority of the current day Pakistanis.

See the complexity yet?

Add to that the Afghans, particularly the Pathan, which also form a
comunity in Burma.

And then you have all these different native groups in Burma, namely
Burman, Mon, Shan, Karen, Kachin, Chin, etc. where the Karen with a
good size Christian population now claiming that they are one of the
lost tribes.

The Mon are the first group who adopted Bhuddism which made them the
most literate group *in the old old days* through the monastry
education. Shans are the stauch Bhuddists too. I read somewhere on
the Internet that Mon originated from ancient India. They look like
typical oriental though some have darker skin while others are very
light-skinned) instead of the dravidians of ancient Inida.

Shan is ethincally similar to some groups in Thialand from the area
that borders Burma. Talking about Thailand, not all Thias are
ethincally the same.

Now, the Chinese would claim that the high score of IQ tests is
because of them Chinese, i.e not all Asians are equal. And the
Japanese thinks (may be not so much anymore) they are superior to all
other Asians.

Does that term *Asian* include the Arabs?

What about the people of Egypt (I avoid calling them Egyptians to
differentiate from the ancient Egyptians) some of whom are Arabs, some
of whom are descendants of anciant Egyptians, some are descendnats of
a group called Berber (my spellig may be wrong).

And how many Ethiopians look or act like a typical African.

Why are people using the racist IQ tests as God's given ruler to
measure intlligence?

amanda wrote:

I have been biting my tongue about the IQ test but I can't any more.

How reliable is a test that use the term "Asian" to represent the most
diverse of ethnic and cultural groups?

If the test subject has a mother who will have to commit suicide
rather than face her peers if her son comes forth with a mediocre
score, we're down to Jews and Asians. Check for the epicanthal folds
and Bob's your uncle. Either way, the father will either die shortly
after retirement rather than live at home with his bitch of a wife
24/7, or chain smoke huge repulsive cigars and hope.

Other national, geographic, racial, and ethnic cohorts need not apply.

[snip]

--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
"Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?" The Net!

In article ,
amanda wrote:
I have been biting my tongue about the IQ test but I can't any more.

How reliable is a test that use the term "Asian" to represent the most
diverse of ethnic and cultural groups?

IQ tests are not particularly reliable, but what does this have to do
with it? What test is using that term? And how is any of this relevant
to these newsgroups?

If you want to know more about the diversity, ask me and I will give
you tons of specific examples.
....

Your examples may be interesting, but what do they have to do with
sci.math?

Robert Israel
Department of Mathematics http://www.math.ubc.ca/~israel
University of British Columbia
Vancouver, BC, Canada V6T 1Z2

"amanda" wrote in message om...
I have been biting my tongue about the IQ test but I can't any more.

Which IQ test is this?

Martin Hogbin

Uncle Al wrote:

If the test subject has a mother who will have to commit suicide
rather than face her peers if her son comes forth with a mediocre
score, we're down to Jews and Asians.

I got that from my Mom all the time. "How can I listen to Mrs.
Greenstein talk about all the A-s her son gets?". It is a wonder that I
am still sane. My kids were luckier. That never got that kind of grief
from their parents and they still got A-s and B-s.

"Mrs. Greenstein's son is going to be a doctor and you are going to be a
what? A mathematician? What kind of profession is that?" And so on and
so on. She was right. I should have become a mercenary. A soldier of
fortune.

Bob Kolker

Check for the epicanthal folds
and Bob's your uncle. Either way, the father will either die shortly
after retirement rather than live at home with his bitch of a wife
24/7, or chain smoke huge repulsive cigars and hope.

Other national, geographic, racial, and ethnic cohorts need not apply.

[snip]

"Robert J. Kolker" wrote:

Uncle Al wrote:

If the test subject has a mother who will have to commit suicide
rather than face her peers if her son comes forth with a mediocre
score, we're down to Jews and Asians.

I got that from my Mom all the time. "How can I listen to Mrs.
Greenstein talk about all the A-s her son gets?". It is a wonder that I
am still sane. My kids were luckier. That never got that kind of grief
from their parents and they still got A-s and B-s.

Parents should cherish their children whatever their intellectual
ability.


"Mrs. Greenstein's son is going to be a doctor and you are going to be a
what? A mathematician? What kind of profession is that?" And so on and
so on. She was right. I should have become a mercenary. A soldier of
fortune.

Bob Kolker

Check for the epicanthal folds
and Bob's your uncle. Either way, the father will either die shortly
after retirement rather than live at home with his bitch of a wife
24/7, or chain smoke huge repulsive cigars and hope.

Other national, geographic, racial, and ethnic cohorts need not apply.

[snip]



--
G.C.
Note ANTI, SPAM and invalid to be removed if you're e-mailing me.

"amanda" wrote in message
om...
I have been biting my tongue about the IQ test but I can't any more.

How reliable is a test that use the term "Asian" to represent the most
diverse of ethnic and cultural groups?

[off-topic crapsnip]

Apparently you've just failed another test -- the one
that measures your ability to choose suitable newgroups
for a given topic, and vice versa.

George Cox wrote:

"Robert J. Kolker" wrote:

Uncle Al wrote:

If the test subject has a mother who will have to commit suicide
rather than face her peers if her son comes forth with a mediocre
score, we're down to Jews and Asians.

I got that from my Mom all the time. "How can I listen to Mrs.
Greenstein talk about all the A-s her son gets?". It is a wonder that I
am still sane. My kids were luckier. That never got that kind of grief
from their parents and they still got A-s and B-s.

Parents should cherish their children whatever their intellectual
ability.
[snip]

Nope. You favor the excellent and tolerate the mediocre. Success and
failure are not indistinguishable. That is not the same as carving
your initials into the flesh of your offspring. If done your way we
get Mexico (with god) or urban Washington, DC (without god). The
average contemporary 18-year old can barely read a diploma and uses a
pair of pliers on a bolt. Better that they should have been killed at
birth or trained into being something useful.

--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
"Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?" The Net!

In article , (amanda) wrote:
I have been biting my tongue about the IQ test but I can't any more.

IQ tests are well known to measure people's ability to do IQ tests.
Nothing more. Irrelevant to the science groups too ... try a psych
group maybe ?

Bruce


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It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to
think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone´s fault.
If it was Us, what did that make Me ? After all, I´m one of Us. I must be.
I´ve certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No-one ever thinks
of themselves as one of Them. We´re always one of Us. It´s Them that do
the bad things. = Terry Pratchett. Jingo.

Littlemanwearingbigboypants whines:

George Cox wrote:

Parents should cherish their children whatever their intellectual
ability.

[snip]

Nope. You favor the excellent and tolerate the mediocre. Success and
failure are not indistinguishable. That is not the same as carving
your initials into the flesh of your offspring. If done your way we
get Mexico (with god) or urban Washington, DC (without god). The
average contemporary 18-year old can barely read a diploma and uses a
pair of pliers on a bolt. Better that they should have been killed at
birth or trained into being something useful.

Bankrupt.