Amanda,

If you are interested in learning more about the history and
limitations of IQ tests, Stephen J Gould wrote an excellent book on
this topic called "The Mismeasure of Man." Since the inception of
standardized IQ tests almost 100 years ago, there has been a steady
current of scientific opposition who sees the limitations and misuses
of these tests. It's an interesting topic.

(agnina) wrote in message . com...
Amanda,

If you are interested in learning more about the history and
limitations of IQ tests, Stephen J Gould wrote an excellent book on
this topic called "The Mismeasure of Man." Since the inception of
standardized IQ tests almost 100 years ago, there has been a steady
current of scientific opposition who sees the limitations and misuses
of these tests. It's an interesting topic.

I was a ware of scientific opposition (on limitations and misuse) by
hearing about it here and there. I was/am interested in finding out
the limitations but never got around to really bother to find info on
it.

Thanks for the info. I will definitely get Gould's book.

"amanda" wrote in message
om...
(agnina) wrote in message
. com...
Amanda,

If you are interested in learning more about the history and
limitations of IQ tests, Stephen J Gould wrote an excellent book on
this topic called "The Mismeasure of Man." Since the inception of
standardized IQ tests almost 100 years ago, there has been a steady
current of scientific opposition who sees the limitations and misuses
of these tests. It's an interesting topic.

I was a ware of scientific opposition (on limitations and misuse) by
hearing about it here and there. I was/am interested in finding out
the limitations but never got around to really bother to find info on
it.

You're worked up enough about it to cross post your
whining complaints about the evils of IQ tests (or
was it the evils of just talking about IQ tests) to
three news groups, but you never bothered to find info
on it beforehand.

Amazing.

"Greg Neill" wrote in message .. .
"amanda" wrote in message
om...
(agnina) wrote in message
. com...
Amanda,

If you are interested in learning more about the history and
limitations of IQ tests, Stephen J Gould wrote an excellent book on
this topic called "The Mismeasure of Man." Since the inception of
standardized IQ tests almost 100 years ago, there has been a steady
current of scientific opposition who sees the limitations and misuses
of these tests. It's an interesting topic.

I was a ware of scientific opposition (on limitations and misuse) by
hearing about it here and there. I was/am interested in finding out
the limitations but never got around to really bother to find info on
it.

You're worked up enough about it to cross post your
whining complaints about the evils of IQ tests (or
was it the evils of just talking about IQ tests) to
three news groups, but you never bothered to find info
on it beforehand.

Amazing.

Are you TOO DUMB not to understand that not bothering to find out in
detail (referring to do as a research work) did not mean I knew
nothing about the limitations, especially after I said "I was aware of
the .."?

Note: From now on I am not responding to dumb posts.

"hanson" wrote:
"Dr. Dickie" wrote in message
news
Uncle Al wrote:
If the test subject has a mother who will have to commit suicide
rather than face her peers if her son comes forth with a mediocre
score, we're down to Jews and Asians.

"Robert J. Kolker" wrote
I got that from my Mom all the time. "How can I listen to Mrs.
Greenstein talk about all the A-s her son gets?". It is a wonder that I
am still sane. My kids were luckier. That never got that kind of grief
from their parents and they still got A-s and B-s.

"Mrs. Greenstein's son is going to be a doctor and you are going to be a
what? A mathematician? What kind of profession is that?" And so on and
so on. She was right. I should have become a mercenary. A soldier of
fortune.
Bob Kolker

Well man, what happened? Did Mrs. Geenstein's son become a doctor?
Don't keep us in suspense. In the Hollywood version, you would meet
him collecting your garbage in the morning.
Dr. Dickie

AHAHAHahahhaha.......ahahaha........pretty good, Dickie.
Oye weh, Bob, you had a hard live, huh?
Such a mother and then 2 near-death experiences and all, ....wow!
Yeah, Bob, tell us the grand finale, the Hollywood- and the real version.
ahahaha........ahahahahahanson

Isn't sleeping a near death experience?

"such a mother"

When I read that my mind added a Brooklyn accent.

bob
- who used to live in Park Slope

"bob" wrote in message
m...
"hanson" wrote:
"Dr. Dickie" wrote in message
Uncle Al wrote:
If the test subject has a mother who will have to commit suicide
rather than face her peers if her son comes forth with a mediocre
score, we're down to Jews and Asians.

"Robert J. Kolker" wrote
I got that from my Mom all the time. "How can I listen to Mrs.
Greenstein talk about all the A-s her son gets?". It is a wonder that I
am still sane. My kids were luckier. That never got that kind of grief
from their parents and they still got A-s and B-s.

"Mrs. Greenstein's son is going to be a doctor and you are going to be a
what? A mathematician? What kind of profession is that?" And so on and
so on. She was right. I should have become a mercenary. A soldier of
fortune.
Bob Kolker

Well man, what happened? Did Mrs. Geenstein's son become a doctor?
Don't keep us in suspense. In the Hollywood version, you would meet
him collecting your garbage in the morning.
Dr. Dickie

AHAHAHahahhaha.......ahahaha........pretty good, Dickie.
Oye weh, Bob, you had a hard live, huh?
Such a mother and then 2 near-death experiences and all, ....wow!
Yeah, Bob, tell us the grand finale, the Hollywood- and the real version.
ahahaha........ahahahahahanson

Isn't sleeping a near death experience?
"such a mother"
When I read that my mind added a Brooklyn accent.
bob
- who used to live in Park Slope

add "oye weh" to "such a mother" and you got it perfected.
Thanks for the laugh, dude,
ahahahaha......ahahahanson

"amanda" wrote in message
om...

Note: From now on I am not responding to dumb posts.

Better yet, why not refrain from making them?

In article ,
"Greg Neill" wrote:
"amanda" wrote in message
. com...

Note: From now on I am not responding to dumb posts.

Better yet, why not refrain from making them?

snort I had to sit on my hands to not say that.
It was a useful post. For some strange reason, a high
IQ rating without the training to use it appears to be
desired.

/BAH

Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail.

amanda replied:
Rich wrote in message
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[...]

as they have been told by the 19th century European racists

Is there an Asian country which is not racist?

Whya re you talking abput cpuntries. Why not individuals?

Cause it's not just individuals, it's a cultural thing.
Why don't you talk about individual Americans?

You are the one who accused all Asian countries as racists.

It was an observation. I stand by it.

You do not understand how Western culture (as they see from the
movies) scare the parents in those countries. These governments feel
obligated to deter the bad part of western culture.

I'd say that it often goes much farther than this.

In doing so,
sometimes they go extreme. When the movie "Flash Dance" came out, any
kid who twist their body would be taken away by the police, at least
for a moment. My cousin, about 13, was really good at it. his father
never knew that he could do that. If the father knew, he would
probably scold the son.

Just look at the nice
things high Japanese govt officials have said about Americans.


who believed that they were superior to all other humans.

As do all Asian races currently.

Currently is the keyword but you are wrong to generalize all Asians.

So you say.

Nice that you are using what Mlaysia said as the ruler. Never mind
that Malaysian government a Muslim government. Show me any Muslims
who thinks western culture is suitable to their children.

Actually, Malaysia is not your typical Muslim country, it's as good as
it gets. But Malaysia is about a quarter chinese.

Chinese represent nearly a quarter of the population, and
Indians are some 8%, but provide 20% of the lawyers and 15%
of doctors. Any racially inflammatory news tends to be self
censored in the major media and there is a conscious
effort among all ethnic groups to work together. Free elections
have been held since 1969 and the standard of living, in 1960
on the level of Haiti, now surpasses much of Eastern Europe
and Latin America. Education represents over 20% of the
national budget and tens of thousands of students are sent
abroad.

How about Japan?

http://www.japantoday.com/e/?content...at=9&id=278105

Kanagawa governor apologizes for calling foreigners 'thieves'

Friday, November 7, 2003 at 07:06 JST
YOKOHAMA — Kanagawa Gov Shigefumi Matsuzawa apologized Thursday
for calling foreigners "sneaky thieves" while campaigning over
the weekend for a candidate running in Sunday's House of
Representatives general election.

"My strong desire to maintain security led me to make the false,
inappropriate remarks. I apologize and take them back," the
governor said. "There are some foreigners who come to Japan
with student visas but end up overstaying illegally and commit
serious crimes. I want to control such crimes."

The Kanagawa prefectural government received more than 100
emails after the speech both criticizing and supporting the
remarks, Matsuzawa said. (Kyodo News)

Or China?

http://tibet.dharmakara.net/ictracism.html

Racism: China's Secret Scourge

ICT Report Refutes Beijing's Denial of Racism in China

Washington, D. C. - International Campaign for Tibet (ICT)
will release a report at the UN World Conference Against
Racism (WCAR) documenting the origin and nature of racism
against Tibetans and how the Chinese government perpetuates
racist attitudes and policies.

The 60- page report, entitled "Jampa: The Story of Racism
in Tibet," describes how racist language and concepts permeate
China's constitution, laws and policy and how this has
contributed to the racism and discrimination Tibetans face
today. It is the first comprehensive analysis of this
phenomenon, a subject that has not been widely addressed by
scholars, human rights groups and others who generally focus

Rich wrote in message ...
amanda replied:
Rich wrote in message
...

[...]

as they have been told by the 19th century European racists

Is there an Asian country which is not racist?

Whya re you talking abput cpuntries. Why not individuals?

Cause it's not just individuals, it's a cultural thing.
Why don't you talk about individual Americans?

You are the one who accused all Asian countries as racists.

It was an observation. I stand by it.

All? Even Thialand?


You do not understand how Western culture (as they see from the
movies) scare the parents in those countries. These governments feel

obligated to deter the bad part of western culture.

I'd say that it often goes much farther than this.

Just like with every other group.



In doing so,
sometimes they go extreme. When the movie "Flash Dance" came out, any

kid who twist their body would be taken away by the police, at least
for a moment. My cousin, about 13, was really good at it. his father
never knew that he could do that. If the father knew, he would
probably scold the son.

Just look at the nice
things high Japanese govt officials have said about Americans.


who believed that they were superior to all other humans.

As do all Asian races currently.

Currently is the keyword but you are wrong to generalize all Asians.

So you say.

Nice that you are using what Mlaysia said as the ruler. Never mind
that Malaysian government a Muslim government. Show me any Muslims
who thinks western culture is suitable to their children.

Actually, Malaysia is not your typical Muslim country, it's as good as
it gets. But Malaysia is about a quarter chinese.

Chinese represent nearly a quarter of the population, and
Indians are some 8%, but provide 20% of the lawyers and 15%
of doctors. Any racially inflammatory news tends to be self
censored in the major media and there is a conscious
effort among all ethnic groups to work together. Free elections
have been held since 1969 and the standard of living, in 1960
on the level of Haiti, now surpasses much of Eastern Europe
and Latin America. Education represents over 20% of the
national budget and tens of thousands of students are sent
abroad.

Well, there was a time where there is a limit on how many properties
Chinese can own.


How about Japan?

I never mentioned which particular Asian group are racist in my
opinion and which one are not. Only that I do not agree that all
Asians are racists.

By the way Japan has a lof of foreigners from other Asian countries
over staying there and work. If Japanese goovernment do not want
*them* stay there illegally (to work), why don't they punish the
employers who hire them? It's double standard.





http://www.japantoday.com/e/?content...at=9&id=278105

Kanagawa governor apologizes for calling foreigners 'thieves'

Friday, November 7, 2003 at 07:06 JST
YOKOHAMA Kanagawa Gov Shigefumi Matsuzawa apologized Thursday
for calling foreigners "sneaky thieves" while campaigning over
the weekend for a candidate running in Sunday's House of
Representatives general election.

"My strong desire to maintain security led me to make the false,
inappropriate remarks. I apologize and take them back," the
governor said. "There are some foreigners who come to Japan
with student visas but end up overstaying illegally and commit
serious crimes. I want to control such crimes."

The Kanagawa prefectural government received more than 100
emails after the speech both criticizing and supporting the
remarks, Matsuzawa said. (Kyodo News)

Or China?\0

Chinese in general is one group that I now *claim* who think they are
superior to all races.


http://tibet.dharmakara.net/ictracism.html

Racism: China's Secret Scourge

ICT Report Refutes Beijing's Denial of Racism in China

Washington, D. C. - International Campaign for Tibet (ICT)
will release a report at the UN World Conference Against
Racism (WCAR) documenting the origin and nature of racism
against Tibetans and how the Chinese government perpetuates
racist attitudes and policies.

The 60- page report, entitled "Jampa: The Story of Racism
in Tibet," describes how racist language and concepts permeate
China's constitution, laws and policy and how this has
contributed to the racism and discrimination Tibetans face
today. It is the first comprehensive analysis of this
phenomenon, a subject that has not been widely addressed by
scholars, human rights groups and others who generally focus
on more conventional human rights violations in Tibet.

"While highlighting racism in the west, China has effectively
suppressed racism as a domestic issue. This is their shameful
secret," said Tsering Jampa, Director of International Campaign
for Tibet- Europe.

In the months leading up to the World Conference on Racism,
China has portrayed racism as a Western phenomenon that does
not exist in China. In a February 2001 submission to the UN,
China stated that "all ethnic groups are living in harmony"
in China.

"The Chinese government's denial that racism is a significant
problem in China is a policy which prevents Tibetans and others
from addressing racism in meaningful, constructive ways," said
John Ackerly, President of ICT.

The title of the report, "Jampa," refers to the protagonist
of a ubiquitous 1963 Communist Party propaganda film depicting
Tibetans as a backward people who can only be uplifted by the
civilizing force of the Chinese.

"All Tibetans live under the shadow of this film," said Tsering
Jampa. "The Chinese government has used it to denigrate Tibetan
culture and justify its occupation of Tibet."

At the conference ICT will urge the government of China to
acknowledge the extent of the problem and to remove derogatory,
chauvinist or paternalistic language from laws and policy
statements. ICT is also urging Chinese non-governmental
organizations based in the west to work with Tibetan groups
on educational programs and initiatives to help combat this
long-standing problem.

Although China tried to block the accreditation of Tibetan
human rights groups to the World Conference against Racism
a vote by UN member counties approved accreditation for
ICT and one other Tibetan organization.

ICT has invited also Xiao Qiang, Director of Human Rights
in China, whose organization was not accredited, to join
its delegation to the conference.

But then, you probably don't care.

Your problem is that you assume too much. But you use "probably" and
so I will give you a break.

Asian racism is probably not a
problem you face.

Again, you assume TOO much.



http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertain...iz/2582833.stm

Tuesday, 17 December, 2002, 09:35 GMT
'Anti-Asian' Brad Pitt advert banned

A car advert featuring Brad Pitt has been banned in Malaysia
because it is "an insult to Asians", according to reports
in the country.

[...]


My saying that Asian do not need a test invented by someone else

See? You're into 'us' and 'them'. Obviously for you 'us' is Asians, an
d
'them' is everyone else.

Again, another silly accustaions that I am into "us" and "them".

It's what you said.

You took it out of context, i.e I didn't not say "Us" were superior to
"them". It was merely as reference to groups



Beside, we both know who invented IQ tests.

Tell me who.

C'mmon.


So don't make it look like I meant everyone else when Is aid "them".

That's what "them" means in this context.

The context was when the person from that group accused me of not
doing well on the IQ test and so my using "them* refers to the group
he belong to and not everyone else.




And you find 'them' wanting in the same fashion
as Zainuddin Maidin above.

Pretty bold accusation. You think you know but you do not know how
Asians see western culture very well.

I think that they see it much as Ghandi did.

Do you prefer that they say with enthusiasm, "we should adopt it"?


Reporter to Mahatma Ghandi: "Mr. Ghandi, what do you think
of Western Civilization?"
Ghandi: "I think it would be a good idea."


If you can't understand that, that's your problem.

That's the problem. I see what you actually write and object to, and
it's no different from the stuff others post. You find things wanting
just because they are not Asian in origin. You can't see it, I underst
and

that.

Whatever? I do not know how you concluded that I belive the Asians are

superior to anyone else. You seem to be upset that I implied that
Asians are superior to you. May eb you had have some experience with
soem Asians acting like that.

Like it's a rare and unexpected thing?

So you did have some experience. And I got picked on because of that?

But it depends on which Asians you met and where. In US, most Asians
would act snobbish.


Heck..I have met Chinese who claimed to be superior to anyone else.

You talk like there are Chinese who don't believe this.
Yes there are. I mean there are truly Intelligent Chinese.



In fact, one time, when this friend of mine said that America is doing

well because of its Chinese population. Immediately after I smiled
and replied "I don't think so", I realized that that moment was the
beginning of the end of our friendship.

Interesting.

And she wasn't the first Chinese I met who put down on Amercans
(talking about white Americans). Everytime, I have defended from the
Americans' side. For what? To be accused by people like you that I
think white American are inferior to Asians. Very nice!

Oddly, I've not seen anything from you that looks like a defense of
white Americans.

Why should I be defending for them when I didn't say that they are
inferior. Oh .. I see. To you defending white Americans would be to
say that they are superior.



Why don't you also complain about Asian racism?

Why should I complain about it here?

Because I'm asking you to, just to show that you care about racism, no
t
just Asians.

But I wasn't talking about racism. I was talking about the miuse of
term Asian.



If I didn't care about racism, I would not have started this thread.

As I said, there is a difference between objecting to racism against
*anyone* and racism against the group you happen to belong to. Few will
actually do the first, no matter what they claim.

So you think because I am Asian, I won't point out racism against
among Asian group?

Why are you insistent on that? Like I said, I was after the term
"Asian". I didn't initiate this thread to talk about Asian racism.



Why are you clueless about that?

Just said it again. Maybe you'll catch it this time. Maybe not.

Again ... I was after the term "Asian". I didn't initiate this thread
to talk about Asian racism.



I have complained many times about Indian caste system somewhere else
.

Elsewhere? What are your complaints?

Long time ago - it was soon after 9/11 - I happened to go into an
egpytian group thinking I would learn more about the ancient egyptian
culture. Instead, some Indian Hindu hate mongers were trashing the
Muslims (mainly Pakistanis) pickign on their religion and treatment on

women. So I borught up suttee, caste system, and treatment of women
in their society. Caste systen has been abolished but has it really
gone? I told them to clean up their hosue before picking on others. I

didn't use the same user name.

I found it.

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=am...en&lr=&ie=UTF-
8&selm=9b4c6065.0303110536.7bb32a3f%40posting.goog le.com&rnum=1

All thanks to Islamic influence.
It's always someone else's fault, isn't it?

Just shows how ill-informed persone you really are. I suggest you
read history of your religion of 'peace' aka Islam,

What made you say that my religion is Islam?

and what it did
when when it ransacked flourishing cultures and civilization.
Islamic doctrine is like Nazisms, which it more than matches in
fanaticism and fascism, especially when it come to lying and
distorting history.

Not surprised. There are many variations (of books) on that subject.
It's up to the personw which view to hold. I know which one you chose.

By the way, tell me which Muslim armies went to what is now Malaysia
and Indenoesia and ransacked and forced conversion?





In other few hundred years Nazis will also say that Hitler had a
profoundly
positive and spiritual influence on barbaric jews. Just as shameless
retards
are denyingIslamic butchery and barbarity of over the past millenia.

[...]

Rare..amusing. Forogt suttee too?

Suttee was common among Rajput wives of warriors who did not want to
be captured by invading Muslims.

Yeah..right. You are so misinformed.

Ever watched the movie "Far Pavillion"? Based on a true story.
Was she being chased byt he Muslims she wanted suttee?



The number of women who commit suttee
among 0.8 billion Hindus is around one every few decade.

The fact is that it existed.

It voluntary
and even then against the law.

Namely, it was voluntary.

Now compare this with brutal, but
legally enforced murder of thousands of Muslim women for committing
adultery. The latter is sanctioned by Allah,
No it was not. It's human who did that.

and Pakistan,
Afghanistan, Iran, Saudis implement it.

Pakistan, Afhganistan, And Saudi Arabia are not the place where most
Muslims are. You seem to be very ill-informed about Muslim and
Islam.


Limb chopping being other favorite pastime of pedophile prophets'
retarded followers.

Oh..completely misinformed about him too. I suggest you get better
sources for you info.



[...]

What percentage of Muslims women are covered in black tent?

In Islamic paradises like Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, Iran it is close
100%.
If the women dont obey they are beaten mercilessly.



married at like cattle at any age
How old were the Hindu girls when sold by their parents to rapists?

You are thinking of many cases of Indian Muslims who sell their
preteen daughters to dirty old Arabs, especially in Hyderabad.

The keyword is "Indian Muslims". They have carried on their
pre-Islamic culture into their current lives.

They
are rescued by Hindu police.

Where were that Hindu police when the Hiundus were setting fires on
Muslims, including babies and pregnanat women, using gasoline. It
happend just not too long ago. Were you out of this planet at the
time?


[...]

An ignorant hatemonger calling one of the greatest human being in
history a pedophile doesn't count. Get that into your tick head.

Just like Hitler is called the greatest human being in history by
Nazis. Pol Pot by his own follwer. Just because he butchered people
and had temporal lobe epilepsy with paranoid psychosis and delusions,
does not mean he was great. Today he would be in lunatic asylum, where
he belonged. There would have been no islamic mass murderers like Bin
Ladens, Gaznavis and Timmurs.

Regarding his pedophilia; truth always hurts.


Were you raised as Baptist. If so, it is very understanding that you
ahve been given misinformation.

Did he not marry Ayesha
when she was 6 year old and he 54 yr old, and had sex with her when
she was only 9 yr old?

He married here to make peace with that group. He did not consummate
the marraige until she was 13, which was normal for the culture of the
time.


Did he not marry young wife of his own adopted
son?
Adopted son is not his son.

Did he not marry a Jewish women he captured after slaughtering
her entire family and 700 plus surrendered jewish men?

No he did not. Find books not written by the Baptists and Christaain
propagandists, will you?



He even gave instruction on how to divide booty from loot.

Step in the time and see things form the perspective of the time,
will you?

ALso, do not forget how he pardoned the enemies and made peace with
them.



BTW, it looks like "bride burning" is today's problem. What say you about

this?

Oh did you just get back form outer space?


No one knows how suttee started, or for that matter where or when.
It's not unique to India--widow suicide is known to have occurred
among the Egyptians, Chinese, Vikings, and others. Some say its
origin on the subcontinent dates back 5,500 years, while others
believe it arrived much later, around 1 AD. I've heard Indians
deny there's anything specifically Hindu about it, in that it
doesn't figure in Hinduism's core texts. Today it's most closely
associated with remote villages dominated by the Rajputs.

It was the British who outlawed the suttee. India was the only country
who practised it as long as they did.



Suttee is different from "bride burning," in which a newly married
Indian woman is burned to death by her in-laws for failing to meet
demands for a larger dowry, the traditional gift given to the
couple by the bride's parents. Thousands of such murders have been
reported.
Why are you telling me this as if I don't know?

In contrast, suttee is a voluntary act, theoretically at
least,
Yes. theorectical ONLY.

meant to atone for the couple's sins and ensure their
reunion in the afterlife.

Failed to consider the politics behind it.


But horrified Indian feminists say
that in practice the suttee victim often had little choice.
They were not horrified faminists. They are humane human.

Sometimes family members, including other women, browbeat her
into it; sometimes she was bound or hopped up on drugs. Much
of the time even that wasn't enough. It's said music was
played at high volume during suttee so no one could hear the
widow's screams. Seems you're as down on Hindu culture as you
are on Muslim culture.

No..I am down on the abusive practises of people (human).

I'm having a difficult time reconciling the claims about the frequency of

suttee with the last accounts of how it occurred in practice.
The last official one was when the British outlawed it but it
continued to happen ..

Nontheless,

Hindu culture hardly seems blemish free and I disagree that you have to
be perfect to point out faults you see in others.

BTW, I agree with you about islam.

No surprise there. You are missing out a lot on Islam.

Now, do not get confused thinking that I am praising the Arabs.



As a minority in the country I was born (my parent were born and
raised thare too) who suffered discrimination and were not considered

as full-citizens, you must be joking accusing me as a racist.

What does that have to do with whether you are racist or not?


Because it was due to race that we were discriminated.

The issue is whether *you* are racist, not others.

The issue which I came to understand PERFECTLY now is that you want to
me to say "Asians (including I am) are racists".


It is very clear
that you think you are saying that since you were discriminated against
you cannot be racist.

You twisted what I said. I replied that "it was due to race that we
were discriminted". Now you are using it to attack me.


I don't think you really understand the concept.

You were the one who didn't understand what I said.

I do understand it, you still don't.

It's like saying you are black, you can't be racist.

I got news for ya, if you can say that, you are.


I got news for you. You underestimated me in assuming that I think
black cannot be racists.

But you think that since *you* were discriminated against, that you
cannot be racist. What's the difference?

I repeat..You twisted what I said. I replied that "it was due to race
that we were discriminted". Now you are using it to attack me.

Beside, as a person whose blood covers basically almost all races of
the world (not through Caucasoid and Negroid per se but through
Indo-Aryan which you probably have no clue about), including semite
(not jewish), you gotta be kidding to accuse me as a racist.

You've gotta be kidding if you think this denies that you can be
a racist.

It's clear that you will profit from any pro-Asian racism.

What are you talking about?

Think Affirmative Racism. Think 'diversity'.

I was/am going with the second one, WHICH WAS MY WHOLE POINT OF
criticizing the use of the term Asian in IQ test, duh...

That is was not invented by an Asian. That was your objection, how
dare a non-Asian even imply that they can say anything about an Asian.


My objection was that I as an Asian did not need to run and take the
IQ test to find out my intelligence level when, I repeat WHEN *that*
guy told me that I must not have done well blah..blah..blah and ehnce
against the IQ tests.

I disagree. Your objection was, and I quote...

"Don't you realize that us Asians don't need the tests invented
by non-Asians to find out whether we are intellgent or not?"

Your objection was that the teste were "invented by non-Asians". Presumab
ly
had the tests been invented by Asians this would be a non-issue, as the
tests would be fine.

Presumably is the keyword.


It's almost certain that you have.

The most stupid thing I have ever heard. What I have had was getting

pulled over by the red-neck police

Racism.

Red neck is red neck.

A racist term is a racist term. Simple as that.
Oh..now you want me to be politcally correct?


Simple as that. Here in CA, I approached a
police car once to ask for some direction. The first things he said,
with a very pleasant manner was " what can I do for you?". In
Houston, it would be like " What's your problem?". Another time, as
the police blocked the route to my place, I asked the police standing
there what I should do and he was really nice. In Houston, it would be

like "I am busy; get lost".

Seems you are comparing your experiences in CA with your prejudices
about Houston.
I am comparing with my experiences with the red necks from Houston.


I even told that (that most of them are red neck) to a police officer
once. It was 11 pm at night, not on the highway but he happened to be

really closed by and I didn't see his car because I wanted to get home

which was not too far and did not slow down as he expected. I was the
only car around there.

He told you "I am busy; get lost"? No he did not.

One did give that kind of impression once. (In words, it would be "I
am busy; get lost". ) When he saw my disappointment on my face, he
immediately said "I am sorry". By then, I already got my car window
rolling up.




I told him to just give me the ticket and spare the lecture. He
asked me why I talked like that. I told him that I haven't met a
police officer who did not give me a ticket. I told him that most are
red necks. He just laughed. May be he didn't get mad because I was not

far from the campus and he knew that I was a student. (I did tell him
that I was tired and didn't see him when he asked why I didn't slow
down after seeing him). Or may be I looked cute to him (he wasn't very

old) when i said to him that most of them are red necks. Who knows? As

he gave me the ticket, he said that he would not have given me the
ticket if I didn't act the way I did. I replied - silently - "yeah,
right!"

So you have no issues with stereotyping Americans.


No... not Americans. Only red necks, i.e red necks are (many)
individuals.

Odd that you have
issues with stereotyping Asians. Why is this?

I do not stereotype any group based on race or ethnicity.

in Houston for driving a beat-up
car in my student days because I look a bit Hispanic or South
Americans.

Odd, I was always pulled over by the cops when I had my old 1965
Mustang convertible. Racism obviously, right?

In my case, there were other cars speeding but they didn't get
stopped.

I'm not asking about your case.

When you got pulled over, it was for your old Buick? When I got
pulled over, it was for speeding but he didn't stop the SUV next to
me. Why? because it was drven by a white?

Rich

Note: I will not be wasting any more time defending groundless
accusations.

You've already proven that they are not groundless.

Whatever.

Ahh, the superior Asian IQ rears it's ugly head.

I will not be wasting any more time defending groundless
accusations.


Rich

Rich


Good to know that I was right that you had some experience with some
Asians acting superior to you. I guess it hurts since you expected
that you would be exempt form it for being white, huh?

Sorry for that experience though.

You may be surprised that I almost got that experience too (I may
have gotten it somewhere without knowing it) until that Chinese girl
realized that way back in my ethnic group, there was Mongoloid mix.


Her comment was this: "You are smart because of the Mongolid blood."

Well..I just wanted to remind you that initiated this thread to
express my frustration about the term used in IQ tests in grouping
people.

So, here is the list of my suggestions:

- Get over your hurt witht he Chinese and stop expecting me to say
"whites are superior to Asians (inclduign Chinese) ".

- Stop accusing me that I think Asians are superior to white.

- Stop expecting me to say that all Asians are racists.

- Stop assuming that my being Asian has benefitted me.

And

- Do not twist my sentences.