"amanda" wrote in message om...
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What gave you the idea that I was upset about the term "Asian"?

Why did you mention it then?

My only point was that IQ tests to determine people's intelligence are bs.

If course IQ tests measure intelligence. Provided that
intelligence is defined as the ability to do IQ tests.

Martin Hogbin

Gavin Whittaker wrote:

In sci.chem Doug Norris writted:
: (amanda) writes:

:Why are people using the racist IQ tests as God's given ruler to
:measure intlligence?

: Probably for the same reason that people feel the need to generalize
: about all IQ tests.

Doug,

Why does everyone in the US insist on generalising about people's need to
generalise about IQ tests?

Just curious...


Is that a general curiousity, or something more specific?

But mostly I would say because they are seeking justification for
social attitudes, generally or course. It has been ever thus, just
that some of the targetted groups have changed.

The three grains of salt that I keep in mind wrt IQ tests are the
Flynn effect (average IQ score increses with time), the fact that in
1917 african americans from the four highest scoring northern states
scored above whites from the nine southern states and that jews
were about as far below the "white" average as blacks are today.

Finally, a lot of people who read this web site are good little
gerbils, put any kind of test in front of them and they will
try to get 100%. There are a whole lot of other people
who if you ask them to take an IQ test instead of playing
golf, going shopping or whatever, say screw that, check
all the a's and let's get out of here.

josh halpern


josh halpern


Gavin

"Greg Neill" wrote in message ...
"amanda" wrote in message
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What gave you the idea that I was upset about the term "Asian"?

My only point was that IQ tests to determine people's intelligence are
bs.

Ah, of course. It would be far better indeed to administer
intelligence tests rather than IQ tests to determine people's
intelligence, right?

Really, you sound like someone who is disappointed by their
own results on such a test.


I knew that someone would come up with that stupid opinion. It just
happens to be you. Sorry about that

Don't you realize that us Asians don't need the tests invented by
non-Asians to find out whether we are intellgent or not?

It was only at the turn of 2oth century that the Western World
started to reliaze that Asians are not inferior to them as they have
been told by the 19th century European racists who believed that they
were superior to all other humans.

As someone was throwing away a bunch of old books, piling up outisde
the lab I was doing my research worl in grad school, I saw just such a
book written by a European scientists. Anyway,

before that time, did the opinion of the West affected the Asians?

Ever read the book "soverign Individual". The author stated that
"white people hate Asians but that didn't affect ...". He was just
trying to say how the Asians knew who they were and didn't act based
on others' opinion.

We certainly don't need these IQ tests to find out about our
intelligent level.

(Robert Israel) wrote in message ...
In article ,
amanda wrote:
I have been biting my tongue about the IQ test but I can't any more.

How reliable is a test that use the term "Asian" to represent the most
diverse of ethnic and cultural groups?

IQ tests are not particularly reliable, but what does this have to do
with it? What test is using that term? And how is any of this relevant
to these newsgroups?

If you want to know more about the diversity, ask me and I will give
you tons of specific examples.
...

Your examples may be interesting, but what do they have to do with
sci.math?

Sci.math was one of the group listed in the thread where I saw the
discussion of IQ test. I had no idea who were from which group in that
thread and so decided to posts in all 3 groups. The only science group
I posted before was sci.chem group.

I don't browse sci.chem group regularly either. So when I broswe the
posts once in a while and see some supposedy intelligent people from
these 3 groups talking about IQ tests as a ver important tests (with
some seeing it as the ultimate test to determine human intelligence),
I get very disappointed.




Robert Israel
Department of Mathematics http://www.math.ubc.ca/~israel
University of British Columbia
Vancouver, BC, Canada V6T 1Z2

amanda replied:
"Greg Neill" wrote in message ...

"amanda" wrote in message
.com...


What gave you the idea that I was upset about the term "Asian"?

My only point was that IQ tests to determine people's intelligence are

bs.

Ah, of course. It would be far better indeed to administer
intelligence tests rather than IQ tests to determine people's
intelligence, right?

Really, you sound like someone who is disappointed by their
own results on such a test.

I knew that someone would come up with that stupid opinion. It just
happens to be you. Sorry about that

Don't you realize that us Asians don't need the tests invented by
non-Asians to find out whether we are intellgent or not?

It was only at the turn of 2oth century that the Western World
started to reliaze that Asians are not inferior to them

It's interesting that in the Asian countries, the inferiority of
non-Asians is still widely accepted and believed. There is no attempt
for or desire for reciprocity.

as they have been told by the 19th century European racists

Is there an Asian country which is not racist? Just look at the nice
things high Japanese govt officials have said about Americans.

who believed that they were superior to all other humans.

As do all Asian races currently. But somehow you don't seem to see
anything wrong with this. This entire post would be ironic were it
not so hypocritical. Why don't you also complain about Asian racism?
Probably because you support it. It's clear that you will profit
from any pro-Asian racism. It's almost certain that you have.


Rich

"amanda" wrote in message
om...
"Greg Neill" wrote in message
...
"amanda" wrote in message
om...

What gave you the idea that I was upset about the term "Asian"?

My only point was that IQ tests to determine people's intelligence
are
bs.

Ah, of course. It would be far better indeed to administer
intelligence tests rather than IQ tests to determine people's
intelligence, right?

Really, you sound like someone who is disappointed by their
own results on such a test.


I knew that someone would come up with that stupid opinion. It just
happens to be you. Sorry about that

Oh, boo hoo. It was an observation, not an opinion. Do you
understand the difference? Should we test you on that?


Don't you realize that us Asians don't need the tests invented by
non-Asians to find out whether we are intellgent or not?

So? You have your own tests then? Fine. Get on with it.


It was only at the turn of 2oth century that the Western World
started to reliaze that Asians are not inferior to them as they have
been told by the 19th century European racists who believed that they
were superior to all other humans.

As someone was throwing away a bunch of old books, piling up outisde
the lab I was doing my research worl in grad school, I saw just such a
book written by a European scientists. Anyway,

before that time, did the opinion of the West affected the Asians?

Ever read the book "soverign Individual". The author stated that
"white people hate Asians but that didn't affect ...". He was just
trying to say how the Asians knew who they were and didn't act based
on others' opinion.

We certainly don't need these IQ tests to find out about our
intelligent level.

So what IQ tests would you apply? Stop whining and get on with it.

"amanda" wrote in message
om...
(Robert Israel) wrote in message
...
In article ,
amanda wrote:
I have been biting my tongue about the IQ test but I can't any more.

How reliable is a test that use the term "Asian" to represent the most
diverse of ethnic and cultural groups?

IQ tests are not particularly reliable, but what does this have to do
with it? What test is using that term? And how is any of this relevant
to these newsgroups?

If you want to know more about the diversity, ask me and I will give
you tons of specific examples.
...

Your examples may be interesting, but what do they have to do with
sci.math?

Sci.math was one of the group listed in the thread where I saw the
discussion of IQ test. I had no idea who were from which group in that
thread and so decided to posts in all 3 groups. The only science group
I posted before was sci.chem group.

I don't browse sci.chem group regularly either. So when I broswe the
posts once in a while and see some supposedy intelligent people from
these 3 groups talking about IQ tests as a ver important tests (with
some seeing it as the ultimate test to determine human intelligence),
I get very disappointed.

So let's see; in your opinion, talking about IQ tests is
an indication of low intelligence or some social backwardness?

"Greg Neill" wrote in message .. .
"amanda" wrote in message
om...
(Robert Israel) wrote in message
...
In article ,
amanda wrote:
I have been biting my tongue about the IQ test but I can't any more.

How reliable is a test that use the term "Asian" to represent the most
diverse of ethnic and cultural groups?

IQ tests are not particularly reliable, but what does this have to do
with it? What test is using that term? And how is any of this relevant
to these newsgroups?

If you want to know more about the diversity, ask me and I will give
you tons of specific examples.
...

Your examples may be interesting, but what do they have to do with
sci.math?

Sci.math was one of the group listed in the thread where I saw the
discussion of IQ test. I had no idea who were from which group in that
thread and so decided to posts in all 3 groups. The only science group
I posted before was sci.chem group.

I don't browse sci.chem group regularly either. So when I broswe the
posts once in a while and see some supposedy intelligent people from
these 3 groups talking about IQ tests as a ver important tests (with
some seeing it as the ultimate test to determine human intelligence),
I get very disappointed.

So let's see; in your opinion, talking about IQ tests is
an indication of low intelligence or some social backwardness?

Unbelievably childish response.

Rich wrote in message ...
amanda replied:
"Greg Neill" wrote in message ...

"amanda" wrote in message
.com...


What gave you the idea that I was upset about the term "Asian"?

My only point was that IQ tests to determine people's intelligence are

bs.

Ah, of course. It would be far better indeed to administer
intelligence tests rather than IQ tests to determine people's
intelligence, right?

Really, you sound like someone who is disappointed by their
own results on such a test.

I knew that someone would come up with that stupid opinion. It just
happens to be you. Sorry about that

Don't you realize that us Asians don't need the tests invented by
non-Asians to find out whether we are intellgent or not?

It was only at the turn of 2oth century that the Western World
started to reliaze that Asians are not inferior to them

It's interesting that in the Asian countries, the inferiority of
non-Asians is still widely accepted and believed.

Now, where did you get that idea? I didn't say that, did I?

There is no attempt
for or desire for reciprocity.

as they have been told by the 19th century European racists

Is there an Asian country which is not racist?

Whya re you talking abput cpuntries. Why not individuals?

Just look at the nice
things high Japanese govt officials have said about Americans.

who believed that they were superior to all other humans.

As do all Asian races currently.

Currently is the keyword but you are wrong to generalize all Asians.

But somehow you don't seem to see
anything wrong with this.

That's your opinion. My saying that Asian do not need a test invented
by someone else to determine their intelligence level, it didn't imply
that I think those who invented that test were inferior.

If you can't understand that, that's your problem.

This entire post would be ironic were it
not so hypocritical.

That also is your opinion.

Why don't you also complain about Asian racism?
Why should I complain about it here? I have complained many times
about Indian caste system somewhere else.

Probably because you support it.
Now, now. Probably is not the same as "you support it", does it?

As a minority in the country I was born (my parent were born and
raised thare too) who suffered discrimination and were not considered
as full-citizens, you must be joking accusing me as a racist.

Beside, as a person whose blood covers basically almost all races of
the world (not through Caucasoid and Negroid per se but through
Indo-Aryan which you probably have no clue about), including semite
(not jewish), you gotta be kidding to accuse me as a racist.

It's clear that you will profit
from any pro-Asian racism.

What are you talking about?

When you said Asian, are you thinking of the slant-eyes, flat nose,
dark, straight haired people OR are you referring to ALL THOSE FROM
ASIAN COUNTRIES which would include Arabs, Persians, people from
Afghanistan some of who are Caucasians, the Mongoloid group, i.e
Chinese and Japanese and more, the Indo-Aryans of India, etc.? Note
that I have excluded the people of Turkey.

I was/am going with the second one, WHICH WAS MY WHOLE POINT OF
criticizing the use of the term Asian in IQ test, duh...

It's almost certain that you have.
The most stupid thing I have ever heard. What I have had was getting
pulled over by the red-neck police in Houston for driving a beat-up
car in my student days because I look a bit Hispanic or South
Americans.


Rich


Note: I will not be wasting any more time defending groundless
accusations.

"Greg Neill" wrote in message .. .
"amanda" wrote in message
om...
"Greg Neill" wrote in message
...
"amanda" wrote in message
om...

What gave you the idea that I was upset about the term "Asian"?

My only point was that IQ tests to determine people's intelligence
are
bs.

Ah, of course. It would be far better indeed to administer
intelligence tests rather than IQ tests to determine people's
intelligence, right?

Really, you sound like someone who is disappointed by their
own results on such a test.


I knew that someone would come up with that stupid opinion. It just
happens to be you. Sorry about that

Oh, boo hoo. It was an observation, not an opinion. Do you
understand the difference? Should we test you on that?

Test, test, test! Which test invented by human can possibly be
perfect? You still haven't got my point, have you?



Don't you realize that us Asians don't need the tests invented by
non-Asians to find out whether we are intellgent or not?

So? You have your own tests then? Fine. Get on with it.

Still, no clue about my original post?



It was only at the turn of 2oth century that the Western World
started to reliaze that Asians are not inferior to them as they have
been told by the 19th century European racists who believed that they
were superior to all other humans.

As someone was throwing away a bunch of old books, piling up outisde
the lab I was doing my research worl in grad school, I saw just such a
book written by a European scientists. Anyway,

before that time, did the opinion of the West affected the Asians?

Ever read the book "soverign Individual". The author stated that
"white people hate Asians but that didn't affect ...". He was just
trying to say how the Asians knew who they were and didn't act based
on others' opinion.

We certainly don't need these IQ tests to find out about our
intelligent level.

So what IQ tests would you apply? Stop whining and get on with it.

Obviously you cannot understand my point. Let me repharse ot for you.
A people secure in themselves do not need stupid tests to know that
they are intelligent people, i.e no amount of brainwashing from the
colonial masters that the natives were inferior to the colonial
masters has affected these people because they knew who they were.

Now..accuse me that I still have grudge against the colonialists.