And yes, as far as we know, the same thing happened in India
years before.

But that is not as bad as mass extinctions in prehistoric times.

So why do these things happen?

In the course of evolution, it must be necessary at times
to test certain limits.

Abuse of power is one that humans keep getting wrong.

And by power I don't necessarily mean strength.

But any abuse of power of power over another is wrong. To
properly handle power you need to have a lot of other
qualities. Like compassion. And the ability to cook small fish.

Look at the legends of Atlantis. Abuse of power.

Mu, same. Only totalitarian power.

Look at George Orwell. He addresses the abuse of power in 1984
and looks at the crappy part of human nature in Animal Farm.

Another part of being free to make mistakes, is to not be
sure that there is someone watching you decide.

Maybe there is, maybe there isn't.

People who act in good conscience, don't concern themselves with
it at all. They are more free than one who tries to hide
trickery or deceit.

I think it was because of the treatment of women. That the
people had gone too far beyond normal sensuality into
fetishes. They had lost touch with nature. Lost touch with
their own humanity and were going too far with process
and order and formality, and subservience.

People need to be free. Japan is a very free nation today,
because of the sacrifices of their parents. Good or bad,
right or wrong, the problem appears to be fixed.

Japan is far better off today than India, or Pakistan, or
any dinosaur, or Neanderthal.

In fact it is one of the best countries in the world today.

Does it still have social problems? What country doesn't?

Would a person from America, rather go to Japan for a visit,
or to South Africa?

Is South Africa better off now, that the western world has
left them to their own devices?

Better for them perhaps, but I would not go there or take
my family there. I would however, love to visit Japan.

-*-

amanda replied:
Rich wrote in message ...

amanda replied:

I have been biting my tongue about the IQ test but I can't any more.

How reliable is a test that use the term "Asian" to represent the most
diverse of ethnic and cultural groups?

Are you Asian?

Yes. Not oriental though but grew up in that region.

So you recognize and understand the word. It has utility and meaning.

Why do you get so upset about it?

Many hate the word "American" and raise all manner is idiotic arguments
as to why it is wrong (and most of them defend the term "native American").
Do you have similar issues with the word "American", or issues like the
ones you have with the word "Asian"?

Rich

Rich

In sci.chem Doug Norris writted:
: (amanda) writes:

:Why are people using the racist IQ tests as God's given ruler to
:measure intlligence?

: Probably for the same reason that people feel the need to generalize
: about all IQ tests.

Doug,

Why does everyone in the US insist on generalising about people's need to
generalise about IQ tests?

Just curious...

Gavin

(Rick Sobie) wrote in message news:TR1qb.301507$9l5.82072@pd7tw2no...
In article , says...

I have been biting my tongue about the IQ test but I can't any more.

How reliable is a test that use the term "Asian" to represent the most
diverse of ethnic and cultural groups?

If you want to know more about the diversity, ask me and I will give
you tons of specific examples. Here is one: An example of cultural
differences (that affects their educational goals) of the two groups -
ethnically the same and speak the same EXACT langauge - in Burma who
are the descendants of the people who came to Burma from a town known
as Surat, India during the British colonial days.

Now, do not assume that they are racially the same as the majority of
northern Indian population, i.e Indo-Aryan. What I am aware of is that
they are descendants of those who came from Central Asia (to india)
and may be MIXED with the locals of India (I haven't checked into
that) like the majority of the current day Pakistanis.

See the complexity yet?

Add to that the Afghans, particularly the Pathan, which also form a
comunity in Burma.

And then you have all these different native groups in Burma, namely
Burman, Mon, Shan, Karen, Kachin, Chin, etc. where the Karen with a
good size Christian population now claiming that they are one of the
lost tribes.

The Mon are the first group who adopted Bhuddism which made them the
most literate group *in the old old days* through the monastry
education. Shans are the stauch Bhuddists too. I read somewhere on
the Internet that Mon originated from ancient India. They look like
typical oriental though some have darker skin while others are very
light-skinned) instead of the dravidians of ancient Inida.

Shan is ethincally similar to some groups in Thialand from the area
that borders Burma. Talking about Thailand, not all Thias are
ethincally the same.

Now, the Chinese would claim that the high score of IQ tests is
because of them Chinese, i.e not all Asians are equal. And the
Japanese thinks (may be not so much anymore) they are superior to all
other Asians.

Does that term *Asian* include the Arabs?

What about the people of Egypt (I avoid calling them Egyptians to
differentiate from the ancient Egyptians) some of whom are Arabs, some
of whom are descendants of anciant Egyptians, some are descendnats of
a group called Berber (my spellig may be wrong).

And how many Ethiopians look or act like a typical African.

Why are people using the racist IQ tests as God's given ruler to
measure intlligence?


http://metropolis.japantoday.com/tok...nt/feature.asp

In the off chance you are interested in whether or not the Japanese
people came through the star gate or whether they crashed and
are decended from the ones who crashed in China, I am inclined
to believe that they came through the stargate. But that does not
detract from the Chinese who have equal right to be here.

We aren't going to change anything at this point.

I have seen on the net, some very Japanese looking ET's
and one in particular that looked very Japanese. But for the
most part, the ones with the large cranium, look more
Chinese. They are scientists as far as I know. The ones
that were here last year were an advanced race. They beamed
my son home from school if you can image that. At lunch time.
The really odd thing about it was, that for about 20 minutes after,
his eyes were slanted down. Then his appearance returned to normal.

His conscious self didn't know anything about it. I think he just
assumed he walked home.

At the time a bunch of us had been discussing the future as per
The 5th Element. And I was arguing for rejuvenation machines.

Seems silly I know. But no more silly than this...

http://www.rense.com/general41/flying.htm
or
this...
http://dbarkertv.com/UPDATE.htm

As I understand it, this is a reptoid ship.

Were the ones who arrived first, and notified the glactic government,
after Hiroshima, distant relatives of the Japanese people?

That is a nice notion, is it not?

Ignore the stupid pictures of the alien autopsy.

Some humans are very sick mentally and spiritually. Those are the
kind of people who make mock ups like that to hide their own evil
deeds and to take advantage of their fellow man.

Thats the price we pay for freedom. We have to tolerate some people
who truly should not be allowed to exist.

So what is wrong with the Japanese people?

They are still suffering from the old, how could God, allow this
to happen?

That is a very good question.

That will undoubtedly be answered one day.

But take it from me, there is nothing wrong with the Japanese people.

They are beautiful people.

And do have a very valid inherent right to be here.

But try to think of people as individuals, not as a race.

Do not ask what is wrong with Japanese people, say what is wrong with
some human beings. You cannot blame a victim for a crime.

And the answer again, is the price of freedom.

The freedom to be bad as well as good, makes people free.

That does not however mean, there are no consequences for
people's actions.



Be thankful for your good nature.
That is a blessing.
Some may see that as a weakness, but then they usually find out the
hard way, that there is only one true power in the universe.

Trying to compete with him, is a very silly idea that will
only lead to misery.

What Japan has to offer humanity, is invaluable to the future
of mankind.

Except what they have offered during their fascist days. They never
apologized to us victims. My grandfather, a successful business man
was murdered by the facist thugs at the prime of his life - he was
barely 40 - for having close business associations with the British
subjects). Don't tell me that the thugs did not torture him.

These beautiful Japanese didn't tell their offsprings the atrocities
their government committed in Burma, Korea, and China.


So don't go changing. :-)

Nope. We just sit and watch the Chinese takeover.

Heck, Burma (Myanmar) should now be referred to as a Chinese colony.
Burmese military dictatorhip is made up of those with Chinese blood.
Of course, they are fully Burmanized.

"amanda" wrote in message
om...

I was referring to people mentioning IQ tests in discussion about
determinging intelligence of different race in all these 3 groups.
But, how could you possibly realized that? After all, you got "F" in
all these 3 subjects.

Seems to me that *you're* the one that brought it up.
So are you a Troll or just clueless?

(amanda) writes:

But, how could you possibly realized that? After all, you got "F" in
all these 3 subjects.

Oh, I see. You're trolling - why didn't you just say that?

Doug

Uncle Al wrote:

[snip]

Unc,

Is it racist to state that "Pygmies are short, and Watusis are tall?".

--
There are two things you must never attempt to prove: the unprovable -- and the
obvious.
--
Democracy: The triumph of popularity over principle.
--
http://www.crbond.com

Rich wrote in message ...
amanda replied:
Rich wrote in message ...

amanda replied:

I have been biting my tongue about the IQ test but I can't any more.

How reliable is a test that use the term "Asian" to represent the most
diverse of ethnic and cultural groups?

Are you Asian?

Yes. Not oriental though but grew up in that region.

So you recognize and understand the word. It has utility and meaning.

Why do you get so upset about it?

Many hate the word "American" and raise all manner is idiotic arguments
as to why it is wrong (and most of them defend the term "native American").
Do you have similar issues with the word "American", or issues like the
ones you have with the word "Asian"?


What gave you the idea that I was upset about the term "Asian"?

My only point was that IQ tests to determine people's intelligence are bs.







Rich

Rich

amanda replied:
Rich wrote in message ...

amanda replied:

Rich wrote in message ...


amanda replied:


I have been biting my tongue about the IQ test but I can't any more.

How reliable is a test that use the term "Asian" to represent the most
diverse of ethnic and cultural groups?

Are you Asian?

Yes. Not oriental though but grew up in that region.

So you recognize and understand the word. It has utility and meaning.

Why do you get so upset about it?

Many hate the word "American" and raise all manner is idiotic arguments
as to why it is wrong (and most of them defend the term "native American").
Do you have similar issues with the word "American", or issues like the
ones you have with the word "Asian"?

What gave you the idea that I was upset about the term "Asian"?

You're entire original post, other than the first sentence.

My only point was that IQ tests to determine people's intelligence are bs.

Their inventor, years ago, invented them not to determine intelligence,
but as a test for slow learners. He had cautions against using the test
as it's used today.

Nevertheless, the notion that they are totally worthless is also worth
examining. The poster 'Uncle Al' (I think it was him) said that they measure
your ability to take IQ tests but that's naught but a tautology. IQ tests
don't tale place in a vacuum and students should have learned something from
all those years in school.

Do you think that all tests are worthless? some are worthless? Somewhere
in-between?

Rich

"amanda" wrote in message
om...

What gave you the idea that I was upset about the term "Asian"?

My only point was that IQ tests to determine people's intelligence are
bs.

Ah, of course. It would be far better indeed to administer
intelligence tests rather than IQ tests to determine people's
intelligence, right?

Really, you sound like someone who is disappointed by their
own results on such a test.