My point in all of this as summarized in my semi-popular SLS talk in
Austin Oct 24, 2003
http://qedcorp.com/APS/StarGate1.mov

does not depend on any particular alleged UFO contact incident like the
interesting one you describe below.

The probabilities have changed drastically since 1999 Type 1a supernovae
data that ~ 70% of all the large scale "stuff" of the Universe's past
light cone of our detectors is in the form of a "dark energy"
anti-gravity field of powerful negative pressure that began to
accelerate the expansion rate of the universe about half way though its
history to now, i.e. about 7 billion years ago. This dark energy is the
same as Kip Thorne's "exotic matter" in his 1986 Star Gate paper and it
is the same stuff needed for Alcubierre's weightless warp drive metric
of the early 1990's and it is the same "negative matter" needed for
exotic propulsion that British Ministry of Defense Chief Scientist
Herman Bondi told us Cornell students about in ~ 1960 that Stalin's top
physics Spy Master Y. Terletskii was also very keen on.

One need not be a rocket scientist to connect these dots! Any Gum Shoe
and see the pattern here. :-)

On Monday, November 3, 2003, at 11:04 AM, Scott Littleton wrote:

"If what happened near Kecksburg, PA, on December 9, 1965, was the
result of a "fireball," it was certainly a most peculiar one. I've
never heard of a fireball that maneuvered, changed course, slowed down,
and came in for a landing, nor one that immediately attracted the
military, a tight security cordon, and mean-faced guys wearing long
black overcoats who intimidated witnesses. But then it seems that
anything is possible when it comes to the wacky-worldview of knee-jerk
debunking. Or does your highly public take on this and other
UFO-related phenomena perhaps reflect a commitment to the cynical,
pseudo-patriotic, and thoroughly "black" world of Government-sponsored
disinformation?"

Cheers,
Scott

C. SCOTT LITTLETON
President, Phi Beta Kappa Alumni in Southern California
Professor of Anthropology, Emeritus
Occidental College
Los Angeles, CA 90041
TEL (323) 255-5477
FAX (323) 982-0264
http://www.oxy.edu/~yokatta/home.htm

"Any sufficiently advanced technology is
indistinguishable from magic"
--Sir Arthur C. Clarke

"I think we're property. . ."
--Charles Fort

-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Sheaffer ]
Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 2:37 PM
To: Scott Littleton; Jack Sarfatti
Cc: Rosanne C Losee; Richard Dolan; Don Ecker
Subject: ppt & UFO debunking

Prof. Littleton agrees that the available UFO evidence is "soft," but
thinks that the intelligence agencies have squirrelled away some "hard"
evidence from supposed crashes at Roswell and Kecksburg. The Roswell
crash yarns have been quite effectively debunked by Pflock, Klass, and
others, I have nothing to add. As for Kecksburg, is he truly unaware
that this "crashing UFO " was simply a fable spun from confusion over
the great fireball meteor of
December 9, 1965? See my web page debunking this at
http://www.debunker.com/kecksburg.html . Truly a house of cards. You UFO
believers are *so easily* fooled.

And on such trivia are new scientific theories to be built??????

Robert Sheaffer

----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Littleton"
To: "Jack Sarfatti" ; "Robert Sheaffer"

Cc: "Rosanne C Losee" ; "Richard Dolan"
; "Don Ecker"
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 3:16 PM
Subject: ppt & UFO debunking


Hi Jack,

Let me take a moment away from the TV, where we've been watching the
progress of the horrendous local fires and hoping they don't come any closer
to Pasadena, to comment on Robert Sheaffer's recent comment that "It is
exceedingly unlikely that UFOs... are real entities, they are mostly due
to 'random errors' occurring in the human perceptual and social-belief
formation system. There is noise in every information channel, and our
society has agreed to describe a certain kind of that noise as "UFOs."
While we may argue about their origin and purpose, it has long since
become abundantly clear that what we call "UFOs" are not simply "noise."
Unless the thousands of internally consistent reports by credible
witnesses, including abductees, are some form of mass hallucination,
these phenomena clearly have an objective existence. Moreover, as a
student of comparative
mythology and folklore, I can firmly attest that the patterns reported by
contemporary witnesses and "experiencers" jibe remarkably well with
pre-modern accounts of "flying shields," abductions to "fairy-land" by short
creatures with big eyes and pointed, "elfin" chins, missing-time episodes,
and rides in "flying wheels" a la Ezekiel's famous trip.

To ignore all this evidence, "soft" though it most of it may be (although I
strongly suspect that despite a half-century of stonewalling, some members
of the U.S. and other intelligence communities-the CIA, MI6, the old KGB,
etc.-have in their possession an abundance of "hard" evidence garnered from
Roswell, Kecksburg, and other UFO crash sites), is to wallow in a state of
denial so all-embracing that it beggars the imagination. Or do debunkers
like Sheaffer, Oberg, Klass, and the rest have another, more devious agenda,
that is, to further the Government's long-standing policy of keeping the lid
on by systematically ridiculing those of us who suspect the truth about this
phenomenon, all the while being privy to above-top-secret knowledge that
would prove us right? One wonders....

All best wishes &

Cheers,
Scott

C. SCOTT LITTLETON
President, Phi Beta Kappa Alumni in Southern California
Professor of Anthropology, Emeritus
Occidental College
Los Angeles, CA 90041
TEL (323) 255-5477
FAX (323) 982-0264
http://www.oxy.edu/~yokatta/home.htm

"Any sufficiently advanced technology is
indistinguishable from magic"
--Sir Arthur C. Clarke

"I think we're property. . ."
--Charles Fort

On Mon, 03 Nov 2003 22:49:32 +0000, Jack Sarfatti wrote:

My point in all of this as summarized in my semi-popular SLS talk in
Austin Oct 24, 2003
http://qedcorp.com/APS/StarGate1.mov

does not depend on any particular alleged UFO contact incident like the
interesting one you describe below.

The probabilities have changed drastically since 1999 Type 1a supernovae
data that ~ 70% of all the large scale "stuff" of the Universe's past
light cone of our detectors is in the form of a "dark energy"
anti-gravity field of powerful negative pressure that began to
accelerate the expansion rate of the universe about half way though its
history to now, i.e. about 7 billion years ago. This dark energy is the
same as Kip Thorne's "exotic matter" in his 1986 Star Gate paper and it
is the same stuff needed for Alcubierre's weightless warp drive metric
of the early 1990's and it is the same "negative matter" needed for
exotic propulsion that British Ministry of Defense Chief Scientist
Herman Bondi told us Cornell students about in ~ 1960 that Stalin's top
physics Spy Master Y. Terletskii was also very keen on.

One need not be a rocket scientist to connect these dots! Any Gum Shoe
and see the pattern here. :-)

Seeing patterns where none exist is not evidence of clear and rational
thinking.

In article , says...

My point in all of this as summarized in my semi-popular SLS talk in
Austin Oct 24, 2003
http://qedcorp.com/APS/StarGate1.mov

does not depend on any particular alleged UFO contact incident like the
interesting one you describe below.

The probabilities have changed drastically since 1999 Type 1a supernovae
data that ~ 70% of all the large scale "stuff" of the Universe's past
light cone of our detectors is in the form of a "dark energy"
anti-gravity field of powerful negative pressure that began to
accelerate the expansion rate of the universe about half way though its
history to now, i.e. about 7 billion years ago. This dark energy is the
same as Kip Thorne's "exotic matter" in his 1986 Star Gate paper and it
is the same stuff needed for Alcubierre's weightless warp drive metric
of the early 1990's and it is the same "negative matter" needed for
exotic propulsion that British Ministry of Defense Chief Scientist
Herman Bondi told us Cornell students about in ~ 1960 that Stalin's top
physics Spy Master Y. Terletskii was also very keen on.

One need not be a rocket scientist to connect these dots! Any Gum Shoe
and see the pattern here. :-)


I think we are very close now, to getting to the bottom of this
whole issue.

It is interesting that this appeared today at Rense.com
http://www.rense.com/general44/nmxx.htm
one of the few middle of the road outlets for information of
the strange bizarre and unusual.

I had mentioned yesterday that I believed that since major
contact appeared to take place just after Hiroshima,
that these sorts of things were a beacon, inviting
investigation.

Taking this further, we have every reason to believe that
some sort of galactic government then intervened on earth,
and essentially took control of the earth. Covertly,
and not pushing any overt agenda, other than to
slowly and methodically assist mankind in dealing with
such tools of destruction. To bring man to the point
where he was capable of handling the technology without
destroying the earth.

That would be the best case scenario.

It would appear however, that their mandate was quite
strict in that they could not necessarily interfere in
the affairs of men, otherwise we would certainly not have
seen subsequent wars and our civilization would not be where
it is today. We would expect a more utopian society based
on intelligence, rather than the continued power struggles
we see.

However, people, are just people, and even under threat
of death, or sworn to secrecy cannot keep a secret and things
do leak out.

This comment here, seems to ring true for me.

I have no reason to doubt the credibility of this man.

[quote...

Mr. Don Phillips, Lockheed Skunkworks, USAF, and CIA Contractor

Don Phillips was in the Air Force at Las Vegas Air Force Base
during an event when UFOs were seen moving at enormous speeds
near Mt. Charleston, northwest of Las Vegas. In addition, he
worked with Kelly Johnson at the Lockheed Skunkworks on
design and construction of the U-2 and the SR-71 Blackbird.
He testifies that we not only have these extraterrestrial
devices, but have also achieved tremendous technological
advances from their study. He states that in the 1950s and
1960s, NATO did research into the origin of ET races,
and disseminated reports to the leaders of various countries.
Mr. Phillips further states that there are records and filmed
documentation of meetings in California in 1954 between ETs
and leaders of the USA. He lists a few of the technologies
we were able to develop because of the ETs: computer chips,
lasers, night vision, bulletproof vests, and concludes,
Are these ET people hostile? Well, if they were hostile,
with their weaponry they could have destroyed us a long time
ago or could have done some damage. Mr. Phillips now develops
technologies that can help eliminate environmental pollutants
and reduce the need for fossil fuels: energy generation
systems that use natural energies from planet Earth.
http://topsecrettestimony.com/6monthsummary.htm
unquote]


And speaking of debunkers, I look at the people on the above
page, not to mention a person like Corso, and I examine
their credibility. Then I look at the Amazing Randi,
and I want to laugh out loud.

Not only at the debunkers, but at the military industrial
complex which thinks we might be fooled by such obvious
tactics that they employ as well.

We are not fooled.

I think that at some point, in a persons life, they begin
to think about their own mortality. A life of chasing power
and wealth, eventually comes down to the point, where a person
asks themselves some serious questions about their life.

I often make appeals to these people to come forward and do
the right thing. I am making such an appeal right now.
That if a person knows information that could help shed
light on these things, they should come forward as many
others have done. It takes courage. But the rewards are great.

We are not alone in the universe, that I am sure of.

But the people of the earth have a responsibility to
themselves and if they want to continue to be the
shepards of this planet, then they need to act responsibly
for the sake of all mankind.

Any person, who looks at another person, as less than themselves,
any person who still harbors racism in this day and age,
any person who can willfully turn their back on
any portion of society seeing them as a lower form of life,
is dooming mankind.

Because all that does, is justify the same opinion, of
perhaps a superior race.
And just as we squish ants without remorse, the same could
easily happen to mankind. If we do not hold on to the one
thing that can protect us. Our civility, and our
moral right, to live on the planet earth.

No weapons we can imagine, will ever be of any use,
against a race far superior to us. To think that we
might be able to make a weapon to protect the earth
from ET's is like expecting 18 century native indians,
to be able to protect themselves from a fully tackled platoon
of marines, backed up by fighter jets and battle ships.
It just ain't gonna happen.

I can solve this one.

The answer, for me at least, is 'No'. My agenda is to find out about
mysterious aerospace reports and events (see www.jamesoberg.com) and share
what I've found, for discussion, with no directives, constraints, or other
external controls over my activities whatsover.

You may stop wondering, and start thinking, now. grin

Jim Oberg
Phi Beta Kappa, Ohio Wesleyan University, 1966


Or do debunkers like Sheaffer, Oberg, Klass, and the rest have another,
more devious agenda,
that is, to further the Government's long-standing policy of keeping the lid
on by systematically ridiculing those of us who suspect the truth about this
phenomenon, all the while being privy to above-top-secret knowledge that
would prove us right? One wonders....

C. SCOTT LITTLETON
President, Phi Beta Kappa Alumni in Southern California

ah, so; am I to infer that PBK works both sides
of the conspiracy?... and here,
I thought it was Skull and Bones.

do you know of the cache taht Roswell has with WW2?...
I know of two things, that Art Bell (et al ad vomitorium) never mention
(although others have mentioned one of them,
on his show ... I stopped listening to taht ****
over 3 years ago .-)
as the co-author exposed him during the book tour,
Corso's thesis is that "human beings cannot create ideas,"
withe corrolary that they were not made in the image of God.
(I didn't know, when he came to borders without Corso,
that he was deathly ill; probably made it easier
to drop his little clues; are they in the book?... the funny things was,
I was the only one in the audience who asked any hard questions;
everyone else must have been "above top secret" !-)

"JimO" wrote in message ...

mysterious aerospace reports and events (see www.jamesoberg.com) and share
what I've found, for discussion, with no directives, constraints, or other

Jim Oberg
Phi Beta Kappa, Ohio Wesleyan University, 1966

on by systematically ridiculing those of us who suspect the truth about this
phenomenon, all the while being privy to above-top-secret knowledge that
would prove us right? One wonders....

C. SCOTT LITTLETON
President, Phi Beta Kappa Alumni in Southern California

--ils duces d'Enron!
http://tarpley.net/bush8.htm
http://www.wlym.com/PDF-SpReps/SPRP13.pdf

Lt.Col. Corso, may he rest in peace, used his onetime position
at the Roswell bomber base to illucidate his silly story,
"We dumb Americans found this little pile of ****, and
I sent it out to the assembled brethren of the MIC, and
we reverse-engineered RADAR, fiber optics, transistors ... um,
le'see ... balsa wood and mylar and latex balloons, to boot!"
do you know of the cache that Roswell has with WW2?...
really, the whole thing could be "denial, denial, denial."
Corso's essential thesis was:
human being cannot create ideas;
it's got to be cargo-cult from upstairs!

his coauthor exposed him on the booktour,
which Corso had to sit out, as he was dying, but
I don't know if it's actually in the book, as well.

(Rick Sobie) wrote in message news:quEpb.284850$6C4.260363@pd7tw1no...

history to now, i.e. about 7 billion years ago. This dark energy is the
same as Kip Thorne's "exotic matter" in his 1986 Star Gate paper and it
is the same stuff needed for Alcubierre's weightless warp drive metric
of the early 1990's and it is the same "negative matter" needed for
exotic propulsion that British Ministry of Defense Chief Scientist
Herman Bondi told us Cornell students about in ~ 1960 that Stalin's top
physics Spy Master Y. Terletskii was also very keen on.

http://www.rense.com/general44/nmxx.htm
one of the few middle of the road outlets for information of
the strange bizarre and unusual.

such tools of destruction. To bring man to the point
where he was capable of handling the technology without
destroying the earth.

That would be the best case scenario.

I have no reason to doubt the credibility of this man.

Mr. Phillips further states that there are records and filmed
documentation of meetings in California in 1954 between ETs
and leaders of the USA. He lists a few of the technologies
we were able to develop because of the ETs: computer chips,
lasers, night vision, bulletproof vests, and concludes,
Are these ET people hostile? Well, if they were hostile,
with their weaponry they could have destroyed us a long time
ago or could have done some damage. Mr. Phillips now develops
technologies that can help eliminate environmental pollutants
and reduce the need for fossil fuels: energy generation
systems that use natural energies from planet Earth.

And speaking of debunkers, I look at the people on the above
page, not to mention a person like Corso, and I examine
their credibility. Then I look at the Amazing Randi,
and I want to laugh out loud.

We are not alone in the universe, that I am sure of.

--ils duces d'Enron!
http://tarpley.net/bush8.htm
http://www.wlym.com/PDF-SpReps/SPRP13.pdf

[snip]

I had mentioned yesterday that I believed that since major
contact appeared to take place just after Hiroshima,
that these sorts of things were a beacon, inviting
investigation.

Taking this further, we have every reason to believe that
some sort of galactic government then intervened on earth,
and essentially took control of the earth. Covertly,
and not pushing any overt agenda, other than to
slowly and methodically assist mankind in dealing with
such tools of destruction. To bring man to the point
where he was capable of handling the technology without
destroying the earth.

That would be the best case scenario.

It would appear however, that their mandate was quite
strict in that they could not necessarily interfere in
the affairs of men, otherwise we would certainly not have
seen subsequent wars and our civilization would not be where
it is today. We would expect a more utopian society based
on intelligence, rather than the continued power struggles
we see.

However, people, are just people, and even under threat
of death, or sworn to secrecy cannot keep a secret and things
do leak out.

You're making a lot of assumptions here. First, you're assuming that
the ET's exist; second you're making the assumption that they would
care one way or another about what happens to humans (no reason why
they should) third, and much more profoundly, you're making the
assumption that they ET's are CAPABLE of doing something about it even
if they wanted to. I don't mean in the sense of technology,
necessarily, but it is naive to think that a species that evolved on
another planet (assuming that evolution is a universal law) would be
able to speak, see, listen, think, smell, feel or taste just because
we can. Who says the ET's are even in a dimension that we can see
(they could be two dimensional, restricted only to moving on a plane),
they would be completely incapable of seeing us. They could be only
visible at a different frequency... X-ray, infrared, and we would be
completely incapable of seeing them. And quite frankly, if the alien
gov't was controlling all world gov'ts simultaneously, they've done a
pretty wretched job of keeping us from killing ourselves off (we're
not dead yet, but we're in a much more likely position to do it after
the arms race in the Cold War) You're assuming that SOMEHOW the ET's
are able to detect a very small nuclear explosion from a considerable
distance, despite the fact the amount of radiation it caused would be
negligible at any distance outside the Earth's atmosphere, and then
are able to travel here in 2 Earth years or less and convince world
leaders to let them rule the planet.

The whole thing seems a little far-fetched to me...

I'm sensing that you're offering some interesting insights to this
discussion,
but frankly I can't figure out what it is you're trying to say. Sorry!


"Brian Quincy Hutchings" wrote in message
om...
ah, so; am I to infer that PBK works both sides
of the conspiracy?... and here,
I thought it was Skull and Bones.

do you know of the cache taht Roswell has with WW2?...
I know of two things, that Art Bell (et al ad vomitorium) never mention
(although others have mentioned one of them,
on his show ... I stopped listening to taht ****
over 3 years ago .-)
as the co-author exposed him during the book tour,
Corso's thesis is that "human beings cannot create ideas,"
withe corrolary that they were not made in the image of God.
(I didn't know, when he came to borders without Corso,
that he was deathly ill; probably made it easier
to drop his little clues; are they in the book?... the funny things was,
I was the only one in the audience who asked any hard questions;
everyone else must have been "above top secret" !-)

"JimO" wrote in message
...

mysterious aerospace reports and events (see www.jamesoberg.com) and
share
what I've found, for discussion, with no directives, constraints, or
other

Jim Oberg
Phi Beta Kappa, Ohio Wesleyan University, 1966

on by systematically ridiculing those of us who suspect the truth about
this
phenomenon, all the while being privy to above-top-secret knowledge that
would prove us right? One wonders....

C. SCOTT LITTLETON
President, Phi Beta Kappa Alumni in Southern California

--ils duces d'Enron!
http://tarpley.net/bush8.htm
http://www.wlym.com/PDF-SpReps/SPRP13.pdf

I hope you're not speaking poorly about my Venus lizard folk, Cathars
and all.

This may be getting some folks a wee bit off topic from group focus,
or that of my intended agenda upon Venus life (lizard folk and all),
but according to some fairly recent feedback, I've learned a thing or
two about our nasty moon, as a place that I believe we've long needed
to establish a lunar space elevator (LSE) in order to be efficiently
getting ourselves off to visiting the wizard of Oz at Venus L2, as
well as for reaching out to those thoroughly irradiated to death
snowman/snowwoman situated on Mars:
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-cm-ccm-01.htm

Here's a little typical feedback of supposed facts from: Jay Windley
)
"High-energy cosmic rays do not come from the sun. They come from
outside the solar system, and our sun is the primary defense against
them. The particles released by the sun itself are of considerably
lower energy and thus their secondary effects in the ambient are
minimal."

My thoughts: http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-moon-radiation.htm

Unfortunately, I may have incorrectly utilized the terminology of
"cosmic rays", though fortunately, I never specified upon any specific
spectrum of "high-energy cosmic rays", just pointing out that our sun
is certainly capable of tossing out its fair share of far worse things
than visible photons plus IR worth of BTUs and of those nasty UVs.
Obviously a supernovae is worth a thousand fold in terms of being
nasty, thereby from the far off generated galactic influx must offer a
measurable degree of such events, and of the secondary radiation given
off by all that infamous clumping lunar dirt should become a fairly
darn good as well as unobstructed indicator of whatever
cosmic/galactic influx. Seems fairly odd that shuch measurements
aren't common place, as where's the justification for not otherwise
providing this level of information?

The assertions or premise offered by the likes of Jay Windley, that of
our moon not only lacking an atmosphere but also without a Van Allen
buffer zone is not such a bad thing if you're out and about on the
lunar surface, seems somewhat risky if not downright lethal. I might
have come into that understanding if we're referring to an earthshine
illuminated lunar surface, but I'm not going so far if that's of any
fully solar illuminated environment while wearing a mostly synthetic
moon suit because, we're not talking about avoiding a 270 nm UV sun
burn.

Sorry about all my make-due reverse engineering logic, or lack
thereof. I was simply trying to establish upon the amount of solar
radiation that becomes hard X-Ray class. So exactly how much is it on
a typical lunar day, or how about on a good day as well as on a truly
horrific day like the past two weeks of October/November 2003?

"High-energy cosmic rays do not come from the sun" ???

Do we suppose that happens to include the likes of the last couple of
weeks of horrific solar flak?

Seems there should be some specific knowledge (excluding Apollo) of
what's what pertaining to the solar illuminated surface, as opposed to
the absolute lunar nighttime environment and, of something specific
pertaining to whatever earthshine contributes.

This task of obtaining knowledge is somewhat like my getting a grasp
upon the applied energy (thrust or torque) involved in accelerating
something the size and mass of the moon, so that it accelerates and
thereby recedes form Earth at 38 mm/year.

As worthy feedback provided from: Ami Silberman )

"The mechanisms for the lunar recession have been well understood for
decades. In a nutshell, tides cause friction between the oceans and
the ocean floors, which transfers energy from the solid part of the
earth to the oceans. One of the effects of this friction is that the
tidal bulge is off-center, and is located "eastward" of the moon. (So
the high tide actually occurs when the moon is west of overhead.) The
result of the tidal bulge being off center is that there is a torgue
effect placed on the moon, and this in turn transfers energy from the
earth to the moon. The earth's spin rate slows, the moon is speeded in
its orbit and therefor moves further away from the earth. (This
transfer of energy is essentially a transfer of angular momentum,
which is a conserved quantity.) The historical (over geological eras)
rate of recession has varied due to varying amounts of tidal friction
due to shallower or deeper oceans, and the positions of the
continents."

For the benefit of all my loyal critics, I've conceded that there's a
darn good chance that the likes of Tim Thompson has more than a few
valid points as to his version of what's what. This following page is
just another example of my learning from the pros, of accepting other
input, which may even including the likes of what Ami Silberman just
presented, that I'd not be calling flak, as there actually seems to be
some considerable worth to at least Tim's version of the lunar
recession, if I don't say so myself.
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/earth-moon-energy.htm

Regards, Brad Guth / IEIS~GASA http://guthvenus.tripod.com

Unfortunately Scott, this sting/ruse is way so much bigger than even
you can imagine. I've posted this folowing in at least a half dozen
topics that I believe are related to obtaining the truth.

This may be getting some folks a wee bit off topic from group focus,
or that of my intended agenda upon Venus life (lizard folk and all),
but according to some fairly recent feedback, I've learned a thing or
two about our nasty moon, as a place that I believe we've long needed
to establish a lunar space elevator (LSE) in order to be efficiently
getting ourselves off to visiting the wizard of Oz at Venus L2, as
well as for reaching out to those thoroughly irradiated to death
snowman/snowwoman situated on Mars:
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-cm-ccm-01.htm

Here's a little typical feedback of supposed facts from: Jay Windley
)
"High-energy cosmic rays do not come from the sun. They come from
outside the solar system, and our sun is the primary defense against
them. The particles released by the sun itself are of considerably
lower energy and thus their secondary effects in the ambient are
minimal."

My thoughts: http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-moon-radiation.htm

Unfortunately, I may have incorrectly utilized the terminology of
"cosmic rays", though fortunately, I never specified upon any specific
spectrum of "high-energy cosmic rays", just pointing out that our sun
is certainly capable of tossing out its fair share of far worse things
than visible photons plus IR worth of BTUs and of those nasty UVs.
Obviously a supernovae is worth a thousand fold in terms of being
nasty, thereby from the far off generated galactic influx must offer a
measurable degree of such events, and of the secondary radiation given
off by all that infamous clumping lunar dirt should become a fairly
darn good as well as unobstructed indicator of whatever
cosmic/galactic influx. Seems fairly odd that shuch measurements
aren't common place, as where's the justification for not otherwise
providing this level of information?

The assertions or premise offered by the likes of Jay Windley, that of
our moon not only lacking an atmosphere but also without a Van Allen
buffer zone is not such a bad thing if you're out and about on the
lunar surface, seems somewhat risky if not downright lethal. I might
have come into that understanding if we're referring to an earthshine
illuminated lunar surface, but I'm not going so far if that's of any
fully solar illuminated environment while wearing a mostly synthetic
moon suit because, we're not talking about avoiding a 270 nm UV sun
burn.

Sorry about all my make-due reverse engineering logic, or lack
thereof. I was simply trying to establish upon the amount of solar
radiation that becomes hard X-Ray class. So exactly how much is it on
a typical lunar day, or how about on a good day as well as on a truly
horrific day like the past two weeks of October/November 2003?

"High-energy cosmic rays do not come from the sun" ???

Do we suppose that happens to include the likes of the last couple of
weeks of horrific solar flak?

Seems there should be some specific knowledge (excluding Apollo) of
what's what pertaining to the solar illuminated surface, as opposed to
the absolute lunar nighttime environment and, of something specific
pertaining to whatever earthshine contributes.

This task of obtaining knowledge is somewhat like my getting a grasp
upon the applied energy (thrust or torque) involved in accelerating
something the size and mass of the moon, so that it accelerates and
thereby recedes form Earth at 38 mm/year.

As worthy feedback provided from: Ami Silberman )

"The mechanisms for the lunar recession have been well understood for
decades. In a nutshell, tides cause friction between the oceans and
the ocean floors, which transfers energy from the solid part of the
earth to the oceans. One of the effects of this friction is that the
tidal bulge is off-center, and is located "eastward" of the moon. (So
the high tide actually occurs when the moon is west of overhead.) The
result of the tidal bulge being off center is that there is a torgue
effect placed on the moon, and this in turn transfers energy from the
earth to the moon. The earth's spin rate slows, the moon is speeded in
its orbit and therefor moves further away from the earth. (This
transfer of energy is essentially a transfer of angular momentum,
which is a conserved quantity.) The historical (over geological eras)
rate of recession has varied due to varying amounts of tidal friction
due to shallower or deeper oceans, and the positions of the
continents."

For the benefit of all my loyal critics, I've conceded that there's a
darn good chance that the likes of Tim Thompson has more than a few
valid points as to his version of what's what. This following page is
just another example of my learning from the pros, of accepting other
input, which may even including the likes of what Ami Silberman just
presented, that I'd not be calling flak, as there actually seems to be
some considerable worth to at least Tim's version of the lunar
recession, if I don't say so myself.
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/earth-moon-energy.htm

Regards, Brad Guth / IEIS~GASA http://guthvenus.tripod.com