"Mark Richardson" wrote in message
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On 30 Oct 2003 12:23:14 -0800, (The
Void) wrote:

Does this even mean anything?
Can anyone out there explain what psychometry really is,
and whether Hammond's theology makes any sense?
The most important question I would like to see answered
is whether there really is such a thing as psychometry space
(specifically, for Hammond's ideas to make any sense at all,
it would need to be a kind of space where distances and
angles were meaningful).



[Hammond]
Sure... here's a simple example (which is well known and has been done
a million times since the 1930's) by research psychologists.
An unabridged dictionaly has about 4,000 adjectives that describe
personality,
in fact a core list of about 200 substantially describes it (Allport and
Odbert
1936). These are words like:

raffish, effete, hidebound, polite, witty, suspicious,
jovial, taciturn, shy, facetious, optimistic, flamboyant, gullible, naive,
prudish, smug, pompous, gregarious...... etc. etc. etc.

By writing a 200 adjective checklist and giving it as a test to 5,000
people to
score each word from -5 to +5 as to how well it describes themselves,
you can then compute a 200x200 correlation matrix between the
descriptive adjectives.
"Psychometry space" is a descriptive space defined by this
matrix. Every matrix has what are called "eigenvectors"... the
eigenvectors are the coordinate axes of this space. A modern
computer can easily extract these eigenvectors from this matrix.
Would you believe that the end result, after 70 years of doing
this is that there are always 3- EIGENVECTORS!!!!!!!!!!!
These 3 eigenvectors have been named ENP, which
stands for Extroversion, Neuroticism, Psychoticism.
Hammond (1994) discovered that ENP come from the
3-axis SPATIAL cleavage of the brain.
Beyond Personality, there is also Intelligence (IQ)
which is called "psychometric-g" by professionals.
Intelligence is "mental speed" and is therefore time based.
The 4-dimensional "psychometry space" consisting of
ENPg is therefore caused by the 4-dimensional
Real space of Physics, XYZt.
The curvature of ENPg space (which is a PERCEPTUAL
space) is called GOD, while the curvature of real
space, XYZt is called GRAVITY. Therefore,
we say that "Gravity causes God".
All of this is explained in much greater detail
and fully illustrated in 4-PAGES at:

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The mathematical idea of "space" is a very general one, so sure you
can talk about a "psycometry" space.
You could have a hair colour hieght and weight "space" - all you do is
collect data - persons hair colour, height and weight and then
everyone would fall into some point on "hair colour height weight
space" (a 3 dimensional space).
Similarly every cat would be a point in "tail length, bad-breath
index" space (a 2 dimensional space).

[Hammond]
Listen to this physicist now. There are TWO KINDS OF REALITY:

1. Physcial reality
2. Perceptual reality

Classically it is taken ofr granted that our brain and sensory
system form a 1:1 image of Physical reality... this image is
called Perceptual reality.
HOWEVER, it turns out that because of the Secular Trend
in human growth, this ratio is actually more like .85:1.
15% of Physical reality is INVISIBLE because of this.
This is the scientific explanation of GOD, and is fully
explained at:
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Whether constructing such a space tells you anything interesting or
important is of course another matter.
Mathematically you can measure distance and angle in any such space
but again whether the "distances" relate to anything meaningful or
useful or informative about the nature of reality is a seperate issue
from the purely mechanical, mindless, process of constructing the
"space".

[Hammond]
The "angle" and "distance" in psychometry space are the arguments
of "personality clash" so called. The larger the proper distance
seperating two people in psychometry space, the more personality
clash there is. The "angle" relative to the coordinate bases tells
you whether it is more "spacelike" (i.e. Republican vs. Democrat)
or "timelike" (upper vs lower class). This is known the world
over, as the "Bicameral/2-Party System".
Again, see my website at:
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Hammond has been bombarding the physics newsgroups with
this for a long time, when it really has nothing to do
with physics

[Hammond]
Oh come come now. I am a physicist (M.S. Physicis 1967),
and the entire theory is mathematically founded on the
theory of General Relativity, see:
http://geocities.com/scientific_proo.../indpage4.html


; it looks like mainly psychology and theology,
with a some of the fancy geometry physicists often use
thrown in.

[Hammond]
That's what they told Isaac Newton about the 4-million words
he wrote on god and Religion. Surely you don't think
Isaac Newton was a fool?

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Thank you for that incredible response. It really cered
everything up. But I have a frivolous question, which I
hope someone as ingenuous as yourself won't mind taking
some of your unvaluable time to answer. How is it that
being larger makes 15% of reality invisible? I expected
it would be the other way around; after all, as I got
taller, I could see on top of shelves and other high
things I couldn't before. By the way, I'm still not
convinced this material is on topic in a physics
newsgroup; while the mathematics of your theory might be
appalling to those who have studied general relativity,
it's still more about your mind than about matter. It
can't be conveyed correctly as a theory or physics; it
transgresses the boundaries into psychology and maybe
even theology too much. Perhaps the people on the
psychology newsgroups will understand you better.

(The Void) wrote in message . com...
Thank you for that incredible response. It really cered
everything up. But I have a frivolous question, which I
hope someone as ingenuous as yourself won't mind taking
some of your unvaluable time to answer. How is it that
being larger makes 15% of reality invisible?

[EL]
Who made such a stupid statement as being larger makes 15% of reality
invisible?

Let us take this fight to a coffee shop and listen to the wisdom of
the common.

She is so beautiful that both men and women who saw her thought that
she was a goddess.
He was so strong and stout that he was considered like a god among his
people.
He was so intelligent and brilliant with ideas that his town folks
created myth about him being a hybrid of a human and a divine birth.

Notice the extreme qualities and relating them to supernatural powers
and divine sources.
Hammond's ideas are not totally new and it is almost obvious that the
human mind assigns all such extreme qualities to unnatural divinities
because they are not perfect and that is normal, hence perfection must
be abnormal or supernormal or simply not normal.

When the human mind wishes to document all favourable qualities in
their extremes and assign them to a man or a woman what else than the
creation of a god is expected?

So this means that the human mind must have created God under the
logical obligations of human imperfection and the observation of
occasional perfections.

I was in agreement with Hammond up to that level but when he
introduced the Vatican and the Pope, the Bible and religions, the true
super God out there being a materialization of the mind, I deviated
strongly from his hallucinations.

The dangerous aspect of Hammond's ideas is that he does have some
valuable research but he is not satisfied to file it as a normal
contribution to psychology, psychometrics and the refutation of
religions while supporting atheism. He wants to shift his pragmatic
findings into theological support, which is not only contradictory but
hypocritically disgusting.

My verdict may be coined in three words:

What a waste.

EL

"The Void" wrote in message
om...
Thank you for that incredible response. It really cered
everything up. But I have a frivolous question, which I
hope someone as ingenuous as yourself won't mind taking
some of your unvaluable time to answer. How is it that
being larger makes 15% of reality invisible?

[Hammond]
I think you've got your signals crossed. A 15% growth
deficit means you're 15% smaller than you're supposed to
be. That makes the World appear 15% larger than it actually
is.
Consider children. They are much smaller than they will
be when fully grown (age 18)... this includes their
brain and sensory system... hence the world looks
much BIGGER and FASTER than it actually is.

I expected
it would be the other way around; after all, as I got
taller, I could see on top of shelves and other high
things I couldn't before.

[Hammond]
True, and you can also see a fast ball coming
over the plate, whereas a 10 year old can't.


By the way, I'm still not
convinced this material is on topic in a physics
newsgroup;

[Hammond]
I'm a physicist, this is a physics discovery.



while the mathematics of your theory might be
appalling to those who have studied general relativity,

[Hammond]
with all due respect, how would you know?

it's still more about your mind than about matter. It
can't be conveyed correctly as a theory or physics; it
transgresses the boundaries into psychology and maybe
even theology too much.

[Hammond]
A "scientific proof of God" has been considered
a "science theory" for centuries. Descartes
considered it as such and so did Newton.



Perhaps the people on the
psychology newsgroups will understand you better.

[Hammond]
Cripes, what would they know about the Einstein
Curvature Tensor G_uv?

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George Hammond wrote:

[Hammond]
I'm a physicist, this is a physics discovery.

You studied physics. You are not a physicist.

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"The Void" wrote in message
om...
Thank you for that incredible response. It really cered
everything up. But I have a frivolous question, which I
hope someone as ingenuous as yourself won't mind taking
some of your unvaluable time to answer. How is it that
being larger makes 15% of reality invisible?

[Hammond]
I think you've got your signals crossed. A 15% growth
deficit means you're 15% smaller than you're supposed to
be. That makes the World appear 15% larger than it actually
is.
Consider children. They are much smaller than they will
be when fully grown (age 18)... this includes their
brain and sensory system... hence the world looks
much BIGGER and FASTER than it actually is.

??????????????????????
Faster?
There is no sanity behind that claim.




I expected
it would be the other way around; after all, as I got
taller, I could see on top of shelves and other high
things I couldn't before.

[Hammond]
True, and you can also see a fast ball coming
over the plate, whereas a 10 year old can't.

Again - irrational.




By the way, I'm still not
convinced this material is on topic in a physics
newsgroup;

[Hammond]
I'm a physicist, this is a physics discovery.


No - it's a bunch of crap you have insanely been pushing, as science, for
years!



while the mathematics of your theory might be
appalling to those who have studied general relativity,

[Hammond]
with all due respect, how would you know?

Well .....for one thing.....to claim that age and size have anything to do
with speed in TOTALLY moronic!



it's still more about your mind than about matter. It
can't be conveyed correctly as a theory or physics; it
transgresses the boundaries into psychology and maybe
even theology too much.

[Hammond]
A "scientific proof of God" has been considered
a "science theory" for centuries. Descartes
considered it as such and so did Newton.

Scientific proofs of god have been invented, and bellowed about, by insane
fantics for centuries.
Though SOME religious believers WERE, in older times, also scientists - and
tried to bolster their religous ideas WITH scientific claims ... NONE of it
has ever withstood rational scientific inquiry!

Today - with a better understanding of the realtionshipand differences
between religon and science - NO sane person would claim an answer to that
problem!






Perhaps the people on the
psychology newsgroups will understand you better.

[Hammond]
Cripes, what would they know about the Einstein
Curvature Tensor G_uv?

They don't need to know science to spot a moron.

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[Hammond]
I think you've got your signals crossed. A 15% growth
deficit means you're 15% smaller than you're supposed to
be. That makes the World appear 15% larger than it actually
is.
Consider children. They are much smaller than they will
be when fully grown (age 18)... this includes their
brain and sensory system... hence the world looks
much BIGGER and FASTER than it actually is.

??????????????????????
Faster?
There is no sanity behind that claim.

If you perceive speed as compared to your own, then it is related to your
stride, which is related to your size. My daughters both think I run like
the wind. I'm actually pretty slow, and my eight year old leaves the rest
of her soccer team in the dust. From her point of view, everything seems
to move faster than it does to me, be cause she moves slower.

Got it?

Enkidu

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[Hammond]
I think you've got your signals crossed. A 15% growth
deficit means you're 15% smaller than you're supposed to
be. That makes the World appear 15% larger than it actually
is.

My mistake. I think I see now. Truly ingenuous. But does
this mean that:

1. People need to become even larger (yuck!)

OR

2. There is no 15% left, and therefore God is dead.

Another question: Does this make tj Frazir God?

[Hammond]
I think you've got your signals crossed. A 15% growth
deficit means you're 15% smaller than you're supposed to
be. That makes the World appear 15% larger than it actually
is.
Consider children. They are much smaller than they will
be when fully grown (age 18)... this includes their
brain and sensory system... hence the world looks
much BIGGER and FASTER than it actually is.

??????????????????????
Faster?
There is no sanity behind that claim.

[Hammond]
Find out what you're talking about before you
start talking please.


I expected
it would be the other way around; after all, as I got
taller, I could see on top of shelves and other high
things I couldn't before.

[Hammond]
True, and you can also see a fast ball coming
over the plate, whereas a 10 year old can't.

Again - irrational.

[Hammond]
Mothing irrational about it. Is provable
beyond any sxcientific uncertainty:

1. Intelligence correlates with Mental Speed to
the extent that it is the "principal biological
component of Intelligence"

2. Intelligence (i.e. mental age) is proportional
to age.... hence a 10 year old's mental speed
is far less than a 40 year olds.

3. Ergo, the 40 year old can see the fast ball coming
over the plate and the 10 year old can't.

4. If you can't understand that you must have flunked
physics-101.


By the way, I'm still not
convinced this material is on topic in a physics
newsgroup;

[Hammond]
I'm a physicist, this is a physics discovery.


No - it's a bunch of crap you have insanely been pushing, as science, for
years!

[Hammond]
Unsupported assertion and wishful thinking
by a political adversary, obviously.

while the mathematics of your theory might be
appalling to those who have studied general relativity,

[Hammond]
with all due respect, how would you know?

Well .....for one thing.....to claim that age and size have anything to do
with speed in TOTALLY moronic!

[Hammond]
Proven fact. To claim that they DON'T is
"moronic".

it's still more about your mind than about matter. It
can't be conveyed correctly as a theory or physics; it
transgresses the boundaries into psychology and maybe
even theology too much.

[Hammond]
A "scientific proof of God" has been considered
a "science theory" for centuries. Descartes
considered it as such and so did Newton.

Scientific proofs of god have been invented, and bellowed about, by insane
fantics for centuries.

[Hammond]
Well, I wouldn't call philosophers "insane fanatics", but
Science is totally agreed that there has NEVER been
anything proposed that qualified as a "scientific"
proof of God....... before Hammond that is.

Though SOME religious believers WERE, in older times, also scientists -
and
tried to bolster their religous ideas WITH scientific claims ... NONE of
it
has ever withstood rational scientific inquiry!

[Hammond]
At least we agree on SOMETHING!


Today - with a better understanding of the realtionshipand differences
between religon and science - NO sane person would claim an answer to that
problem!

[Hammond]
Well its nice to know SOMEBODY is
genuinly surprised.


Perhaps the people on the
psychology newsgroups will understand you better.

[Hammond]
Cripes, what would they know about the Einstein
Curvature Tensor G_uv?

They don't need to know science to spot a moron.

[Hammond]
WRONG. Science is the EASIEST way to
spot a moron. Unfortunately, they don't
have any degrees in Physics. I do.
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[Hammond]
I think you've got your signals crossed. A 15% growth
deficit means you're 15% smaller than you're supposed to
be. That makes the World appear 15% larger than it actually
is.
Consider children. They are much smaller than they will
be when fully grown (age 18)... this includes their
brain and sensory system... hence the world looks
much BIGGER and FASTER than it actually is.

??????????????????????
Faster?
There is no sanity behind that claim.

If you perceive speed as compared to your own, then it is related to your
stride, which is related to your size. My daughters both think I run like
the wind. I'm actually pretty slow, and my eight year old leaves the rest
of her soccer team in the dust. From her point of view, everything seems
to move faster than it does to me, be cause she moves slower.

Got it?

Enkidu

[Hammond]
Ok, ok, .... I don't know wether you're arguing for me or
against me, but this is a basic point that should be cleared up,
and it doesn't take higher mathematics to get to the bottom
of it.
For crying out louds, ask yourself why mentally retarded
people have been called "slow" for thousands of years.
Or why it has been said that "they have the mind of an
8 year old". This is what we're talking about here.
According to the Secular Trend, EVERYBODY in
the world has a slight degree of "mental retardation"
due to incomplete brain growth.
Now lets not start arguing over "mental retardation",
we can easily leave the subject COMPLETELY
out of the argument. We don't have to go any
further than the known scientific measurements
on CHILDREN.
It is absolutely known beyond any doubt that
"Intelligence" increases from zero at conception
to a maximum at age 18 (maturity) and that
the major cause for this (obviously) is the growth
of the brain from 0 to 3 pounds. Anybody who
would argue with that is a screwball.... it's
a proven fact.
Furthermore, it is now a proven fact that
the main component of "Intelligence" is
mental speed. If you're mental speed is
lower, then the speed of the world looks
faster.... how could anybody argue with
that.
I don't see how anyone can find fault
with these commonplace well known
facts of scientific measurement that have
been known and proved for years?
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