Nick wrote:
If singularities are an end to space then how can they move around?

Maybe because they are enclosed by the event horizon which
form the identity part of the black hole. Entropy is proportional
to the area of the horizon. In Holographic Principle, they even
say all the information from a say 3D can be found in the 2D
boundary. So the singularity is shielded by real informational
boundary and this cause the whole black hole to move such
as in binary system as it can cause mass-stress-energy that
can curve and alter the Riemann's curvature tensor.

But then if String theory has a basis in fact or some other
quantum gravity model. Then singularities can't exist because
there is a planck cut-off where effects like that won't be felt.
This is because the strings size is the planck size so there
is nothing smaller than it. Also in Loop Quantum Gravity,
the spin networks composed the planck scale length so
singularities may not occur. Hence your black hole as hot
body due to the Hawking Radiation can be likened to
ordinary object moving in space due to gravitational effects
from other objects and from expansion of space alone.

Grav

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Nick wrote:
In the case of black holes there is an end to space-time. But how can a
place without space and time move?

Doesn't make much sense does it.

Neither do the ignorant ramblings of a child who believes he
understands something he doesn't.

Either there are two similarly "thinking" idiots or this is also alias
Bilge.

Henry Haapalainen

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Nick wrote:
In the case of black holes there is an end to space-time. But how can a
place without space and time move?

Doesn't make much sense does it.

Neither do the ignorant ramblings of a child who believes he
understands something he doesn't.

Either there are two similarly "thinking" idiots or this is also alias
Bilge.

Hmm. Is this early onset paranoia? Is USENET occupied by either cranks or
bilge?

Very interesting.

A place with no space or time moves?
Doesn't make sense.

Henry Haapalainen wrote:
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Nick wrote:
In the case of black holes there is an end to space-time. But how can a
place without space and time move?

Doesn't make much sense does it.

Neither do the ignorant ramblings of a child who believes he
understands something he doesn't.

Either there are two similarly "thinking" idiots or this is also alias
Bilge.

Thats right. I am also Bilge.

Everyone who is even slightly knowledgeable, sarcastic, and intolerant
of abject stupidity is also Bilge. Bilge is nolonger a person, he is an
idea.

Spartacus would enjoy the similarities.


Henry Haapalainen

Nick wrote:
A place with no space or time moves?
Doesn't make sense.

But a black hole has space and time. Light inside is forever
moving in the event horizon, time is much slower when
viewed from outside, but inside, time can still be
experienced like normal. If you can somehow
survive inside the black hole, the universe would pass
a billion years equal to one sec inside the hole.
It's like a time capsule. So with regards to your question,
you must ask why time dilated object like fast moving
particle can still move. It's a question of Special
Relativity.

Grav

Gravityman wrote:
Nick wrote:
A place with no space or time moves?
Doesn't make sense.

But a black hole has space and time.

Not its singularity or heart. It consists of an end to space. Period.

Henry Haapalainen:

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In the case of black holes there is an end to space-time. But how can a
place without space and time move?

Doesn't make much sense does it.

There is no space-time, and that can be proved in many ways.

That confirmd that you live in a different universe than the
rest of us. Here in this universe, we can measure spatial
distances and time intervals.

Still, your thinking sounds new, and it is welcomed.

As you seem to be the only inhabitant of your universe, I imagine
thinking in your universe has been stagnant for quite some time.

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A place with no space or time moves?
Doesn't make sense.

Again,
The problem is thinking that time is only a local thing
and/or it is a thing at all.
A clock may or may not stop functioning beyond an event
horizon, but of course you can time the amount of time it stopped
by simply not being in there.

Ask the blackhole experts how long the time stops for.
Then tell then if it stopped for that long, didn't it still count
as time stopped time.


Science uses absolute timing.
Without using absolute timing, you are no longer working with
science itself at all. You are merely playing around with malfunctioning
clocks instead.

String theory works in only one thing by describing all particles as
having extension. A better theory of particle structure lies in wait
based on there extension.

If the Big Bang was a singular point of mass it could have no extension
and its gravity would be infinite.

Perhaps matter cam into existence with space inbetween it. This way the
gravity wouldn't be infinite and expansion could take off. Just as
matter needs space in which to extend it also needs space inbetween.