Why it Goes Roundy, Roundy.......


This works in that if the voltage across
the plates is set so that one side is substantially
higher in relation to ground state than the other
side is negative i.e, 20+kvdc, G, 15-kvdc and the
bearing friction along with vane balance is
good you will get rotation and by reversing
polarity you reverse rotation. To rule out
magnetic rotation as an effect due to flux
fields of the earth maintain a position so that
2 vanes start aligned with the N/S meg heading
that way one vane is always in direct opposition
to lines of flux so as to cancel the earths magnetic
effect.

This in not my idea.. Tesla demonstrated a similar
device in the 30's to Electric Boat and military
observers, his being a bit more detailed in that he used
spherical electrodes and a vacuum bell jar...


Any idea why a static charge can cause conversion
to kinetic without acting against an external field.

I have mine, but I'm a kook...


(proof of concept device)
http://ripkaboroski.com/device5b.jpg

Paul's Postulate
Http://Paul.Mays.Com/device.html

Possible effects causation:
http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biefeld-Brown_effect

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Hi Paul,

One should realise what is static about a static charge then
everything else about it should be dynamic.

EL


"Paul R. Mays" wrote in message ...
Why it Goes Roundy, Roundy.......


This works in that if the voltage across
the plates is set so that one side is substantially
higher in relation to ground state than the other
side is negative i.e, 20+kvdc, G, 15-kvdc and the
bearing friction along with vane balance is
good you will get rotation and by reversing
polarity you reverse rotation. To rule out
magnetic rotation as an effect due to flux
fields of the earth maintain a position so that
2 vanes start aligned with the N/S meg heading
that way one vane is always in direct opposition
to lines of flux so as to cancel the earths magnetic
effect.

This in not my idea.. Tesla demonstrated a similar
device in the 30's to Electric Boat and military
observers, his being a bit more detailed in that he used
spherical electrodes and a vacuum bell jar...


Any idea why a static charge can cause conversion
to kinetic without acting against an external field.

I have mine, but I'm a kook...


(proof of concept device)
http://ripkaboroski.com/device5b.jpg

Paul's Postulate
Http://Paul.Mays.Com/device.html

Possible effects causation:
http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biefeld-Brown_effect

--
Paul R. Mays
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
-
Some where within the Quantum State
Http://Paul.Mays.Com
http://paul.mays.com/resume.html

"The man who cannot occasionally imagine events
and conditions of existence that are contrary to
the causal principle as he knows it will never enrich
his science by the addition of a new idea."
-
Max Planck

Hi El..

Haven't heard ya about for a while bub...

But your right.. as goofy as my concepts are
I realize that even the philosophical aspects
of "static" are never static....



"EL" wrote in message
m...
Hi Paul,

One should realise what is static about a static charge then
everything else about it should be dynamic.

EL


"Paul R. Mays" wrote in message
...
Why it Goes Roundy, Roundy.......


This works in that if the voltage across
the plates is set so that one side is substantially
higher in relation to ground state than the other
side is negative i.e, 20+kvdc, G, 15-kvdc and the
bearing friction along with vane balance is
good you will get rotation and by reversing
polarity you reverse rotation. To rule out
magnetic rotation as an effect due to flux
fields of the earth maintain a position so that
2 vanes start aligned with the N/S meg heading
that way one vane is always in direct opposition
to lines of flux so as to cancel the earths magnetic
effect.

This in not my idea.. Tesla demonstrated a similar
device in the 30's to Electric Boat and military
observers, his being a bit more detailed in that he used
spherical electrodes and a vacuum bell jar...


Any idea why a static charge can cause conversion
to kinetic without acting against an external field.

I have mine, but I'm a kook...


(proof of concept device)
http://ripkaboroski.com/device5b.jpg

Paul's Postulate
Http://Paul.Mays.Com/device.html

Possible effects causation:
http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biefeld-Brown_effect

--
Paul R. Mays

--------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Some where within the Quantum State
Http://Paul.Mays.Com
http://paul.mays.com/resume.html

"The man who cannot occasionally imagine events
and conditions of existence that are contrary to
the causal principle as he knows it will never enrich
his science by the addition of a new idea."

-
Max Planck

By the way EL..

......member back a few years ago we spoke of my
kook level attempt at explaining my postulate and I think
it was you or maybe I forget who that mention that
old devil "evidence" or "proof" that I never had...

This little gadget really does go roundy, roundy and
fits with what I was trying to explain back then (badly)

And check this.. It does not matter which side is neg or
positive with respect to ground state .. It will rotate in the
direction of the relative reduced voltage relation...

Like this...

+20kvdc | -20kvdc +20 | -15 +15 | -20
No motion ----- Motion ---- Motion


-20kvdc | +20kvdc -20 | +15 -15 | +20
No motion ----- Motion ---- Motion

Any deep thought's?


Paul...


"EL" wrote in message
m...
Hi Paul,

One should realise what is static about a static charge then
everything else about it should be dynamic.

EL


"Paul R. Mays" wrote in message
...
Why it Goes Roundy, Roundy.......


This works in that if the voltage across
the plates is set so that one side is substantially
higher in relation to ground state than the other
side is negative i.e, 20+kvdc, G, 15-kvdc and the
bearing friction along with vane balance is
good you will get rotation and by reversing
polarity you reverse rotation. To rule out
magnetic rotation as an effect due to flux
fields of the earth maintain a position so that
2 vanes start aligned with the N/S meg heading
that way one vane is always in direct opposition
to lines of flux so as to cancel the earths magnetic
effect.

This in not my idea.. Tesla demonstrated a similar
device in the 30's to Electric Boat and military
observers, his being a bit more detailed in that he used
spherical electrodes and a vacuum bell jar...


Any idea why a static charge can cause conversion
to kinetic without acting against an external field.

I have mine, but I'm a kook...


(proof of concept device)
http://ripkaboroski.com/device5b.jpg

Paul's Postulate
Http://Paul.Mays.Com/device.html

Possible effects causation:
http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biefeld-Brown_effect

--
Paul R. Mays

--------------------------------------------------------------------------
--
-
Some where within the Quantum State
Http://Paul.Mays.Com
http://paul.mays.com/resume.html

"The man who cannot occasionally imagine events
and conditions of existence that are contrary to
the causal principle as he knows it will never enrich
his science by the addition of a new idea."

-
Max Planck

"Paul R. Mays" wrote in message
...
Why it Goes Roundy, Roundy.......

(proof of concept device)
http://ripkaboroski.com/device5b.jpg

Your voltages are high enough that you will get air movement from corona
discharge effects. Such effects are are very well documented.

Stick your device in a bell jar, pump it down to 10^-6 torr and tell me what
you see.

Minor Crank

"Paul R. Mays" wrote in message ...
By the way EL..

.....member back a few years ago we spoke of my
kook level attempt at explaining my postulate and I think
it was you or maybe I forget who that mention that
old devil "evidence" or "proof" that I never had...

This little gadget really does go roundy, roundy and
fits with what I was trying to explain back then (badly)

And check this.. It does not matter which side is neg or
positive with respect to ground state .. It will rotate in the
direction of the relative reduced voltage relation...

Like this...

+20kvdc | -20kvdc +20 | -15 +15 | -20
No motion ----- Motion ---- Motion


-20kvdc | +20kvdc -20 | +15 -15 | +20
No motion ----- Motion ---- Motion

Any deep thought's?

[EL]
Mine are shallow as usual but I have two humble cents to donate.
The concept of a point charge does not help any much more than magic
glitter does.
We say negative charge and we say positive charge.
What exactly is negative and what exactly is positive when we talk
about this ambiguous arbitration?
We do know that one could slide down a slope. That slope could be
arranged from circumference to centre so that one may slide "in". That
slope could also be arranged from centre to circumference so that one
may slide "out". Both are slides but one may be named as positive and
the other as negative due to the direction of motion of he who slides.
Now imagine a saw-tooth wave that could be ramped up or down and tell
me if it was emitted from a point in all directions if we do have a
slide or not.

Kind regards.

EL

"Minor Crank" wrote in message
news:Grdfb.486786$cF.170028@rwcrnsc53...
"Paul R. Mays" wrote in message
...
Why it Goes Roundy, Roundy.......

(proof of concept device)
http://ripkaboroski.com/device5b.jpg

Your voltages are high enough that you will get air movement from corona
discharge effects. Such effects are are very well documented.

Stick your device in a bell jar, pump it down to 10^-6 torr and tell me
what
you see.

Minor Crank



Rotation just as mentioned... The effect of coronal impingement
has been addressed by others in the Brown effect scenario and
Tesla used a very large Bell vacume rig for his validation of
the rotational ( actually even linier if voltage level is high enough
and a single electrically stressed dielectric is used) motion....

You wount move threw the field that much.
If the rod dont move threw the field no diferance in potenual ....when
the coil sparks ,,its because the V is going up or down .
The suden change in the motion threw the field. is the coils motion
threw the field.
The tesla boat of motion was not enouph motion to cause potentual in
the field.
Electric GEN Dont Work Unless they are turning. It cant just sit
there in the field.
Move it and not discharge and its static.

"Paul R. Mays" wrote in message
...

Rotation just as mentioned... The effect of coronal impingement
has been addressed by others in the Brown effect scenario and
Tesla used a very large Bell vacume rig for his validation of
the rotational ( actually even linier if voltage level is high enough
and a single electrically stressed dielectric is used) motion....

Sorry, there has never been a peer-reviewed paper documenting flights in
vacuum. In fact, the following link to a Wired article reports on a dramatic
FAILURE of a Biefeld-Brown device under vacuum test:
http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/1...ravity_pr.html

--- begin quote from the above Wired article ---
In the corner of Campbell's lab is a thick stainless steel base about 3 feet
square, over which stands a 3-foot-tall glass bell jar. NASA's lifter sits
beneath the glass. It's slightly different from the usual design. Campbell
wanted his device to rotate, not float, so that it would be easier to
measure the thrust. He created two capacitors that are tubular, like tiny
jet engines - with the hot wire on one end, a gap, and a metal tube for the
ground. Each capacitor is mounted on the end of a rotor, driving it like a
pinwheel. Last fall, they tested the contraption in regular air - shooting
it with 27,000 volts at 20 microamps. Bingo: It generated 3 millipounds of
force, and the rotors spun at 60 rpm.

Then, in December, they finished tweaking their vacuum. They were able to
get the pressure inside the bell jar down to the equivalent of low-Earth
orbit - 10-7 torrs, to be precise. They put the device inside and hit the
juice.

Nothing happened.

It wouldn't budge an inch. They jammed the voltage up to 50,000 volts, and
still nothing. They repeated the tests several times but didn't dare use
higher voltage. "We had lightning coming out the back of it," says Andy
Finchum, Campbell's assistant, pointing to a set of plastic guards he set up
after nearly frying himself. "You could start hearing the hiss at those
voltages, and that's when you don't want to get close!" He hands me a thick
gray pressure gauge. "These are $1,500 apiece, and we toasted one."

To check if it was an equipment error, they brought the bell jar back to
sea-level pressure - and the rotor started spinning again. The device itself
wasn't malfunctioning.

Campbell folds his arms and declares antigravity dead.
--- end quote from the above Wired article ---

Minor Crank

Your all busted. For even thinking about breaking the law.
Rise to potentual in the field .
The facts are listed below.

Has anyone tried my experiment?

Group: sci.physics Date: Fri, Oct 3, 2003, 11:16pm From:
(tj*Frazir)
You wount move threw the field that much.
If the rod dont move threw the field no diferance in potenual ....when
the coil sparks ,,its because the V is going up or down .
**The suden change in the motion threw the field. is the coils
motion threw the field.
**The tesla boat of motion was not enouph motion to cause potentual
in the field.
****Electric GEN Dont Work Unless they are turning. It cant just
sit there in the field.
**Move it and not discharge and its static.