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Speed gedanken time (repaired) time dilation 099



 
 
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Old February 12th 06 posted to sci.physics
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"Spaceman" wrote in message
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| | So (A) had to move from 0 to first line to measure it
| | (B) also moved from 0 to first line to measure it - but (B) moved
| faster.
| |
| | Why is (A)s measurement 'right' whereas (B)'s measurement is 'wrong'
?
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| (A) used a physical device to measure it.
| (B) could not do such at the speed it was doing.
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| I thought we were doing a gerdanken? Think again and try and come up
with
a
| better answer.

Why?
I like my answer.
if you don't like it,
you come up with a better answer.


This is a Gerdanken, (B) has just physically measured it at .5c .

Why is (B)'s answer 'wrong' when (A)s is 'right' ?


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| In what way is a ruler a more physical device than
| any other device used to make a measurement?

It is made of physical matter.
DUH!

snipped rest of ignorant twisting that Greg is so good at


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"OG" wrote in message
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| | | So (A) had to move from 0 to first line to measure it
| | | (B) also moved from 0 to first line to measure it - but (B) moved
| | faster.
| | |
| | | Why is (A)s measurement 'right' whereas (B)'s measurement is
'wrong'
| ?
| |
| | (A) used a physical device to measure it.
| | (B) could not do such at the speed it was doing.
| |
| |
| | I thought we were doing a gerdanken? Think again and try and come up
| with
| a
| | better answer.
|
| Why?
| I like my answer.
| if you don't like it,
| you come up with a better answer.
|
| This is a Gerdanken, (B) has just physically measured it at .5c .
|
| Why is (B)'s answer 'wrong' when (A)s is 'right' ?

It is not wrong, it matched (A)'s physical measurement.
If it did not match, something is wrong with the abstracted
measurement method.


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Old February 13th 06 posted to sci.physics
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"Spaceman" wrote in message
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| | | So (A) had to move from 0 to first line to measure it
| | | (B) also moved from 0 to first line to measure it - but (B)
moved
| | faster.
| | |
| | | Why is (A)s measurement 'right' whereas (B)'s measurement is
'wrong'
| ?
| |
| | (A) used a physical device to measure it.
| | (B) could not do such at the speed it was doing.
| |
| |
| | I thought we were doing a gerdanken? Think again and try and come up
| with
| a
| | better answer.
|
| Why?
| I like my answer.
| if you don't like it,
| you come up with a better answer.
|
| This is a Gerdanken, (B) has just physically measured it at .5c .
|
| Why is (B)'s answer 'wrong' when (A)s is 'right' ?

It is not wrong, it matched (A)'s physical measurement.
If it did not match, something is wrong with the abstracted
measurement method.


Nope, (B) physically measured it and it was definitely 0.87 miles.

Now why is (A)s right and (B)s wrong?




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"OG" wrote in message
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| Nope, (B) physically measured it and it was definitely 0.87 miles.

How did (B) physically measure it to be so?


| Now why is (A)s right and (B)s wrong?

(B) did not physically measure it.
You lose.
(A) wins.




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"Spaceman" wrote in message
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| Nope, (B) physically measured it and it was definitely 0.87 miles.

How did (B) physically measure it to be so?


The same way that (A) did, only quicker !




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"OG" wrote in message
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| | Nope, (B) physically measured it and it was definitely 0.87 miles.
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| How did (B) physically measure it to be so?
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| The same way that (A) did, only quicker !

He ran around with a ruler and placed it end to
end 5,280 times for each mile?
So why did he goof up!
LOL


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"Spaceman" wrote in message
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"OG" wrote in message
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| "Spaceman" wrote in message
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| "OG" wrote in message
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| | Nope, (B) physically measured it and it was definitely 0.87 miles.
|
| How did (B) physically measure it to be so?
|
| The same way that (A) did, only quicker !

He ran around with a ruler and placed it end to
end 5,280 times for each mile?
So why did he goof up!
LOL


Nope, (B) placed the ruler end to end, but only came up with 4580 foot per
interval.

(B) double checked with the next 25 line intervals as well (same result) -
so his result is more reliable than (A)'s

So why is (A)'s result 'right' when (B)'s is 'wrong'.



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"OG" wrote in message
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| Nope, (B) placed the ruler end to end, but only came up with 4580 foot per
| interval.

So why is his count different than (A)'s?


| (B) double checked with the next 25 line intervals as well (same result) -
| so his result is more reliable than (A)'s
|
|
| So why is (A)'s result 'right' when (B)'s is 'wrong'.

You have not proven (B) is correct,
you merely stated he did the same (A) did with different results.
You can not prove such.
So far, you have not come close to proving (B)'s length
of the mile is shorter than (A)'s, you have done the typical
twist and state routine with no physical proof.

If (B) truly measure the same was as (A) but faster,
you need to prove who is correct.
not me,
I know (B) sis not do such because he merely flew by.
You have to show how he could do such with a ruler
by simply flying by.



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"Spaceman" wrote in message
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"OG" wrote in message
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| Nope, (B) placed the ruler end to end, but only came up with 4580 foot
per
| interval.

So why is his count different than (A)'s?


Are you prepare to try and understand?


 




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