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Waves growing to size and collapsing: Light and Probability Waves



 
 
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Old November 8th 05 posted to sci.physics,sci.physics.relativity,rec.org.mensa
Nick
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Default Waves growing to size and collapsing: Light and Probability Waves

The question behind Light Inflation/expansion physics is a simple one:
What happens when a very large light wave is emitted; one of very low
energy? How long would it take to form the wave? If it was, lets say, a
light year long light wave by its energy: How long would we have to
wait for it to fully form? If light is local it would take a year to
become this large. This growth of light is what I mean by its inflation
or expansion. Light has to grow to size. And must collapse at its
absorption.

According to Einstein photons are wave PACKETS as in his Photoelectric
effect. This means photons grow to size after emission and shrink back
(to points) at absorption. Photons change size as wavepackets change
under expansion/contraction.

I believe that this physics is totally new and will be cutting edge
once it is known.

What would an unformed light wave look like?

I believe the physics of this is the change in light's wave shape(but
not energy) after emission. It is a combination of growing wavelength
and growing amplitude of the wave. With both starting from a
singularity (or infinitely small size) and going back to it(as mass at
absorption.) Light's energy nevertheless remains conserved during the
transition.

And what if light is emitted in the extreme of gravity where it could
grow larger than the universe? Where it going to fit? This is
especially important when the universe was small. I look forward to
this physics becoming known. I have searched the web and know that know
one else is talking about this. Maybe someone is thinking about it but
I say I am the first to go public with it.

Size also applies to the probability waves of quantum mechanics. They
must "fit" into the universe. This becomes important in Quantum
Cosmology Theory; or the theory of when the universe was very small.
Probability waves of matter grow to size also and shrink in wave
function collapse.

If you followed this hope you like it!

Mitch Raemsch -- Light Falls --

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Old November 8th 05 posted to sci.physics,sci.physics.relativity
Eric Gisse
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Default Waves growing to size and collapsing: Light and Probability Waves


Nick wrote:

[snip]


If you followed this hope you like it!


You are growing up to be quite the crank. Complete with delusions of
grandure, posting this in rec.org.mensa


Mitch Raemsch -- Light Falls --


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Old November 8th 05 posted to sci.physics,sci.physics.relativity,rec.org.mensa
Sue...
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Default Waves growing to size and collapsing: Light and Probability Waves

Nick wrote:
The question behind Light Inflation/expansion physics is a simple one:
What happens when a very large light wave is emitted; one of very low
energy?

Then charges move in the same direction for a long time.

How long would it take to form the wave?
It takes a long time.

If it was, lets say, a

Say ???

light year long light wave by its energy: How long would we have to
wait for it to fully form?

It has no form.

If light is local it would take a year to
become this large.

But light isn't local so don't worry about it.

This growth of light is what I mean by its inflation
or expansion.

Google for grow-lights. This is a physics NG.
Light has to grow to size. And must collapse at its
absorption.

This is a Physics NG. QM is a mathematical formalism.
http://mathworld.wolfram.com/SchroedingerEquation.html

According to Einstein photons are wave PACKETS as in his Photoelectric
effect.

He was wrong and Millikan proved it.
http://www.europhysicsnews.com/full/.../article3.html
http://www.eso.org/projects/vlti/
This means photons grow to size after emission and shrink back
(to points) at absorption. Photons change size as wavepackets change
under expansion/contraction.

In your wildest dreams.


I believe that this physics is totally new and will be cutting edge
once it is known.


I once believed in the tooth fairy.


What would an unformed light wave look like?


Probaby similar to a tooth fairy.


I believe the physics of this is the change in light's wave shape(but
not energy) after emission. It is a combination of growing wavelength
and growing amplitude of the wave. With both starting from a
singularity (or infinitely small size) and going back to it(as mass at
absorption.) Light's energy nevertheless remains conserved during the
transition.


I believe you believe too many theories... all at once.


And what if light is emitted in the extreme of gravity where it could
grow larger than the universe? Where it going to fit? This is
especially important when the universe was small. I look forward to
this physics becoming known. I have searched the web and know that know
one else is talking about this. Maybe someone is thinking about it but
I say I am the first to go public with it.

It won't fit. It will propatate at at 30cm/ns.


Size also applies to the probability waves of quantum mechanics. They
must "fit" into the universe.


They just have to fit on the paper you are using.

This becomes important in Quantum
Cosmology Theory; or the theory of when the universe was very small.
Probability waves of matter grow to size also and shrink in wave
function collapse.


Crazy as they are, I don't think I've ever heard that argument from
a cosmologist.


If you followed this hope you like it!

It is no different that anyones else's babble that tries
to learn physics by listening to his own grey matter
slosh around.

You are making me mean like Dinky Pee-pee and Bilge
so study this before I turn into a witch.

http://web.mit.edu/8.02t/www/802TEAL3D/teal_tour.htm
http://arxiv.org/abs/physics/0204034

Sue...


I

Mitch Raemsch -- Light Falls --


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Old November 8th 05 posted to sci.physics,sci.physics.relativity,rec.org.mensa
Nick
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Default Waves growing to size and collapsing: Light and Probability Waves

Sue your argument is that waves of light and probability are nonlocal?

That is the only other argument. But you didn't do it very well.
How do you explain why they are nonlocal then? What is the physics
behind lonlocallity?

I don't believe in nonlocal physics!!! Even if it is accepted. :-)

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Default Waves growing to size and collapsing: Light and Probability Waves


Nick wrote:
Sue your argument is that waves of light and probability are nonlocal?


Show where I said.

That is the only other argument. But you didn't do it very well.
How do you explain why they are nonlocal then? What is the physics
behind lonlocallity?

I don't believe in nonlocal physics!!! Even if it is accepted. :-)


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Old November 8th 05 posted to sci.physics,sci.physics.relativity,rec.org.mensa
Nick
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Default Waves growing to size and collapsing: Light and Probability Waves

Nick wrote:
if light is local it would take a year to
become this large.


Sue wrote:
But light isn't local so don't worry about it.


You don't have much of a memory do you?
That's what you get for being in Denial SUE.

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Old November 8th 05 posted to sci.physics,sci.physics.relativity,rec.org.mensa
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Default Waves growing to size and collapsing: Light and Probability Waves


Nick wrote:
Nick wrote:
if light is local it would take a year to
become this large.


Sue wrote:
But light isn't local so don't worry about it.


You don't have much of a memory do you?
That's what you get for being in Denial SUE.


You negated too many negatives.
When a local charge moves, there is some probability
that a remote charge will move in response:
http://physics.nist.gov/cuu/Images/alphaeq.gif from:
http://physics.nist.gov/cuu/Constants/alpha.html
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu...es/string.html

Sue...

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Old November 8th 05 posted to sci.physics,sci.physics.relativity,rec.org.mensa
Sue...
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Default Waves growing to size and collapsing: Light and Probability Waves


Nick wrote:
Nick wrote:
if light is local it would take a year to
become this large.


Sue wrote:
But light isn't local so don't worry about it.


You don't have much of a memory do you?
That's what you get for being in Denial SUE.


You negated a negative somewhere in all of that.

When a charge moves locally, there is some probability
that a remote charge will move in response. If it does.
the parameters will conform to this relation:
http://physics.nist.gov/cuu/Images/alphaeq.gif from:
http://physics.nist.gov/cuu/Constants/alpha.html
and this principle:
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu...es/string.html

If you have a problem with that because believe
Pound-Rebka-Snider was measuring flying corpuscles
rather that nuclear resonance, then be my guest at
chasing you tail like the rest jumping from paradox to
paradox.

Sue...

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Old November 8th 05 posted to sci.physics,sci.physics.relativity,rec.org.mensa
Androcles
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Default Waves growing to size and collapsing: Light and Probability Waves


"Sue..." wrote in message
oups.com...
Nick wrote:
The question behind Light Inflation/expansion physics is a simple one:
What happens when a very large light wave is emitted; one of very low
energy?

Then charges move in the same direction for a long time.

How long would it take to form the wave?
It takes a long time.



Nonsense. I can form a sound wave in a millisecond by saying
's', it will travel across my living room and be heard.




If it was, lets say, a

Say ???

Yes, say "Sssssssue".


light year long light wave by its energy: How long would we have to
wait for it to fully form?



It has no form.


Nonsense. Waves carry information and information has form.
Radio works.


If light is local it would take a year to
become this large.


But light isn't local so don't worry about it.


How local is your eyeball to you?




This growth of light is what I mean by its inflation
or expansion.

Google for grow-lights. This is a physics NG.


Take your aether elsewhere, this is a physics NG.


Light has to grow to size. And must collapse at its
absorption.

This is a Physics NG. QM is a mathematical formalism.
http://mathworld.wolfram.com/SchroedingerEquation.html



This is a Physics NG. Aether is a leveraged portfolio of mortgage-backed
securities and other short-term government agency investments.
http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix....ol-aboutAether


According to Einstein photons are wave PACKETS as in his Photoelectric
effect.

He was wrong and Millikan proved it.


http://www.europhysicsnews.com/full/.../article3.html
http://www.eso.org/projects/vlti/


He is not wrong (on that), the photelectric effect proves it.
http://lectureonline.cl.msu.edu/~mmp...fect/photo.htm

This means photons grow to size after emission and shrink back
(to points) at absorption. Photons change size as wavepackets change
under expansion/contraction.


In your wildest dreams.


Nick is more right than you realise.

Perhaps Nick is maturing, I had him killfiled for a long time.



I believe that this physics is totally new and will be cutting edge
once it is known.


Nick is wrong here, it isn't new. It is however "cutting edge".

I once believed in the tooth fairy.


And still do, it seems.



What would an unformed light wave look like?


Probaby similar to a tooth fairy.

This is a Physics NG. Tooth fairies bear no resemblance to waves.
http://www.toothfairylegend.com/




I believe the physics of this is the change in light's wave shape(but
not energy) after emission. It is a combination of growing wavelength
and growing amplitude of the wave. With both starting from a
singularity (or infinitely small size) and going back to it(as mass at
absorption.) Light's energy nevertheless remains conserved during the
transition.


I believe you believe too many theories... all at once.


I believe you have a near field charge fetish.

And what if light is emitted in the extreme of gravity where it could
grow larger than the universe? Where it going to fit? This is
especially important when the universe was small. I look forward to
this physics becoming known. I have searched the web and know that know
one else is talking about this. Maybe someone is thinking about it but
I say I am the first to go public with it.


It won't fit. It will propatate at at 30cm/ns.


A propatate is the humble and very proper
"Cogito, ergo spud." -- I think, therefore I yam.

Androcles.



Size also applies to the probability waves of quantum mechanics. They
must "fit" into the universe.


They just have to fit on the paper you are using.

This becomes important in Quantum
Cosmology Theory; or the theory of when the universe was very small.
Probability waves of matter grow to size also and shrink in wave
function collapse.


Crazy as they are, I don't think I've ever heard that argument from
a cosmologist.


If you followed this hope you like it!

It is no different that anyones else's babble that tries
to learn physics by listening to his own grey matter
slosh around.

You are making me mean like Dinky Pee-pee and Bilge
so study this before I turn into a witch.

http://web.mit.edu/8.02t/www/802TEAL3D/teal_tour.htm
http://arxiv.org/abs/physics/0204034

Sue...


I

Mitch Raemsch -- Light Falls --




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Old November 8th 05 posted to sci.physics,sci.physics.relativity,rec.org.mensa
Peter
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Default Waves growing to size and collapsing: Light and Probability Waves

On 7 Nov 2005 20:39:30 -0800, "Nick" wrote:

What is the physics behind nonlocallity?


Good question.

The following paper models the universe as a neural network which is
totally interconnected.

Process Physics
Reginald T.Cahill
http://www.scieng.flinders.edu.au/cp...ll_r/HPS13.pdf

It says "This modelling was motivated by the discovery that such
stochastic neural networks are foundational to known quantum field
theories."

This claim might not be unreasonable because the following paper
notes:

"...the collective dynamics in neural and quantum complex systems are
similar..."

A neural-network like quantum information processing system
Mitja Perus and Horst Bischof
http://arxiv.org/abs/quant-ph/0305072


Regards,
Peter

 




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