In article . com,
Nick wrote:
The question behind Light Inflation/expansion physics is a simple one:
What happens when a very large light wave is emitted; one of very low
energy? How long would it take to form the wave? If it was, lets say, a
light year long light wave by its energy: How long would we have to
wait for it to fully form? If light is local it would take a year to
become this large. This growth of light is what I mean by its inflation
or expansion. Light has to grow to size. And must collapse at its
absorption.

Is it not a wave before it is fully formed? It doesn't have to be a
sinusoidal to be radiation that goes from point A to point B.

A wave with a single wavelength is infinite in extent. Anything else is
composed of a distribution of wavelengths, which can be found by a Fourier
transform. There's transient wavelengths when you start a wave up from
zero. If you're making a light year long wave, then something will get to
an observer less than a light year away, it will move to him at the speed
of light, and he won't have to wait a year to get it. He might mistake it
for a static field.


According to Einstein photons are wave PACKETS as in his Photoelectric
effect. This means photons grow to size after emission and shrink back
(to points) at absorption. Photons change size as wavepackets change
under expansion/contraction.

Photons are momentum eigenstates of the electromagnetic field; they're
associated with a particular wavelength. Wave packets are a superposition
of photon states. This matters with the femtosecond lasers that
scientists have been playing with lately-- the pulse is about as long as
the wavelength, so it can't be single-wavelength light.

--
"He who only sees business in business is a fool."

"Nick" wrote in message
ups.com...
Nick wrote:
if light is local it would take a year to
become this large.

Sue wrote:
But light isn't local so don't worry about it.


You don't have much of a memory do you?
That's what you get for being in Denial SUE.


You are posting a lot lately, is your medication wearing off again?

Gregory L. Hansen wrote:
In article . com,
Nick wrote:
The question behind Light Inflation/expansion physics is a simple one:
What happens when a very large light wave is emitted; one of very low
energy? How long would it take to form the wave? If it was, lets say, a
light year long light wave by its energy: How long would we have to
wait for it to fully form? If light is local it would take a year to
become this large. This growth of light is what I mean by its inflation
or expansion. Light has to grow to size. And must collapse at its
absorption.

Is it not a wave before it is fully formed? It doesn't have to be a
sinusoidal to be radiation that goes from point A to point B.

This is my point. Light takes a different wave form before it grows to
its
full size. I believe light starts as a singularity and expands. Both
wavelength and amplitude expand in such a way as to conserve the energy
of the wave.
Mitch Raemsch

I am the first to make this public. I have found it nowhere else on the
internet




A wave with a single wavelength is infinite in extent.

Nothing in this universe is infinite moron hanson.
No infinite quantities
If there is an infinite it is the future.

Anything else is
composed of a distribution of wavelengths, which can be found by a Fourier
transform. There's transient wavelengths when you start a wave up from
zero. If you're making a light year long wave, then something will get to
an observer less than a light year away, it will move to him at the speed
of light, and he won't have to wait a year to get it. He might mistake it
for a static field.


According to Einstein photons are wave PACKETS as in his Photoelectric
effect. This means photons grow to size after emission and shrink back
(to points) at absorption. Photons change size as wavepackets change
under expansion/contraction.

Photons are momentum eigenstates of the electromagnetic field; they're
associated with a particular wavelength. Wave packets are a superposition
of photon states.

Wave packets are multiple?

Your a moron again

This matters with the femtosecond lasers that
scientists have been playing with lately-- the pulse is about as long as
the wavelength, so it can't be single-wavelength light.

--
"He who only sees business in business is a fool."

Peter I dont believe in the nonlocal.

You Donut.

Mitch Raemsch -- And light has mass.

Androcles wrote:
I believe that this physics is totally new and will be cutting edge
once it is known.

Nick is wrong here, it isn't new. It is however "cutting edge".

IF IT IS NOT NEW PHYSICS IT IS NOT PUBLIC.
I HAVE FOUND IT NOWHERE ELSE AND HAVE
FIGURED IT OUT ON MY OWN.

IT IS COMPLETELY MY OWN IDEA AND I AM THE
FIRST TO BRING IT CLEARLY TO THE INTERNET
FOR EVERYONE ELSE TO SEE

IF YOU SAY IT IS NOT NEW THEN YOU KNOW
SOMEONE ELSE THAT IS TALKING ABOUT IT androcles?

I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHO.

How are ALL your GODS?

Androcles wrote:
"Sue..." wrote in message
oups.com...
Nick wrote:
The question behind Light Inflation/expansion physics is a simple one:
What happens when a very large light wave is emitted; one of very low
energy?
Then charges move in the same direction for a long time.

How long would it take to form the wave?
It takes a long time.


Nonsense. I can form a sound wave in a millisecond by saying
's', it will travel across my living room and be heard.




If it was, lets say, a
Say ???
Yes, say "Sssssssue".


light year long light wave by its energy: How long would we have to
wait for it to fully form?


It has no form.

Nonsense. Waves carry information and information has form.
Radio works.

A valid point. What is it that we 'observe' waving?
???



If light is local it would take a year to
become this large.

But light isn't local so don't worry about it.

How local is your eyeball to you?
It is not in the near-field of the emiters responsible
for its function, therefore it is non local.
http://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teachin...es/node52.html







This growth of light is what I mean by its inflation
or expansion.
Google for grow-lights. This is a physics NG.

Take your aether elsewhere, this is a physics NG.


Light has to grow to size. And must collapse at its
absorption.
This is a Physics NG. QM is a mathematical formalism.
http://mathworld.wolfram.com/SchroedingerEquation.html


This is a Physics NG. Aether is a leveraged portfolio of mortgage-backed
securities and other short-term government agency investments.
http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix....ol-aboutAether


According to Einstein photons are wave PACKETS as in his Photoelectric
effect.
He was wrong and Millikan proved it.

http://www.europhysicsnews.com/full/.../article3.html
http://www.eso.org/projects/vlti/

He is not wrong (on that), the photelectric effect proves it.
http://lectureonline.cl.msu.edu/~mmp...fect/photo.htm
The word 'propagation' does not appear on that page.


This means photons grow to size after emission and shrink back
(to points) at absorption. Photons change size as wavepackets change
under expansion/contraction.

In your wildest dreams.

Nick is more right than you realise.

Perhaps Nick is maturing, I had him killfiled for a long time.

His concept of light is almost circa 1700 A.D. so if you and
Henri don't pay attention he may leave you in the dust.





I believe that this physics is totally new and will be cutting edge
once it is known.

Nick is wrong here, it isn't new. It is however "cutting edge".

I once believed in the tooth fairy.

And still do, it seems.



What would an unformed light wave look like?

Probaby similar to a tooth fairy.
This is a Physics NG. Tooth fairies bear no resemblance to waves.
http://www.toothfairylegend.com/




I believe the physics of this is the change in light's wave shape(but
not energy) after emission. It is a combination of growing wavelength
and growing amplitude of the wave. With both starting from a
singularity (or infinitely small size) and going back to it(as mass at
absorption.) Light's energy nevertheless remains conserved during the
transition.

I believe you believe too many theories... all at once.

I believe you have a near field charge fetish.
I do. So don't get within whipping range. )

And what if light is emitted in the extreme of gravity where it could
grow larger than the universe? Where it going to fit? This is
especially important when the universe was small. I look forward to
this physics becoming known. I have searched the web and know that know
one else is talking about this. Maybe someone is thinking about it but
I say I am the first to go public with it.

It won't fit. It will propatate at at 30cm/ns.

A propatate is the humble and very proper
"Cogito, ergo spud." -- I think, therefore I yam.

Spuds and Yams ?
Morning Glory Plant, gardening tips, organic gardening, flower
....Morning Glory (Sweet Potato Vine) CONVOLVULACEAE. Blackie Sweet
Potato Hard to believe that this is a Morning Glory, but it is in that
family. ...
www.emilycompost.com/morning_glory.htm

Sue...


Androcles.



Size also applies to the probability waves of quantum mechanics. They
must "fit" into the universe.

They just have to fit on the paper you are using.

This becomes important in Quantum
Cosmology Theory; or the theory of when the universe was very small.
Probability waves of matter grow to size also and shrink in wave
function collapse.

Crazy as they are, I don't think I've ever heard that argument from
a cosmologist.


If you followed this hope you like it!
It is no different that anyones else's babble that tries
to learn physics by listening to his own grey matter
slosh around.

You are making me mean like Dinky Pee-pee and Bilge
so study this before I turn into a witch.

http://web.mit.edu/8.02t/www/802TEAL3D/teal_tour.htm
http://arxiv.org/abs/physics/0204034

Sue...


I

Mitch Raemsch -- Light Falls --

"Sue..." wrote in message
ups.com...

Androcles wrote:
"Sue..." wrote in message
oups.com...
Nick wrote:
The question behind Light Inflation/expansion physics is a simple one:
What happens when a very large light wave is emitted; one of very low
energy?
Then charges move in the same direction for a long time.

How long would it take to form the wave?
It takes a long time.


Nonsense. I can form a sound wave in a millisecond by saying
's', it will travel across my living room and be heard.




If it was, lets say, a
Say ???
Yes, say "Sssssssue".


light year long light wave by its energy: How long would we have to
wait for it to fully form?


It has no form.

Nonsense. Waves carry information and information has form.
Radio works.

A valid point. What is it that we 'observe' waving?
???

Match these observing instruments and their functions (or lack off)
(Note that English language is missing some definitions)

a) Eyes, look, blind
b) Ears, listen, deaf
c) Tongue, taste, tasteless
d) Finger, touch, touchless
e) Nose, smell, smelliless
f) Skin, shiver/sweat

to these everyday observations
1) the cold of TV images
2) the smell of footprints
3) the feel of ice
4) the sight of body odour
5) the sound of orange juice
6) the taste of purple

Which sense would you use to observe an electro-magnetic wave?
I use common sense. Some people are blind, some are deaf,
some are commonsenseless.
I don't have a word for commonsenseless, so I have had to coin it.
It isn't derogatory, it is as factual as blindness/deafness/lameness.
I can see/hear/smell/taste/touch/feel - observe EM radiation with
the final impact upon my neurons, where all the information eventually
arrives anyway.
If all people were colour-blind except you, they would not have
a word for "red", "yellow", "green", "blue".
You'd describe red to them as "like the setting sun", "like a rose",
"like blood", and they'd say there is no commonality between blood
and the sun and why does it have to be setting? You are clearly quite mad.
A scientist would investigate and determine that you were able to finely
discriminate wavelengths, but he/she would never understand colour.

Your sense of heat/cold is the most vital of all your senses, essential
to your survival.You'll die within minutes if you do not react to it.
Go out in the snow, naked. You'll react.
Put your hand in fire. You'll react.
If you do not react, you die.
Most people speak of five senses, but the sixth is so common
that everyone has it and those that do not are dead, so it isn't discussed.
It is "common sense". Common, it is shared by all. Sense, it tells
you something of the environment.
I can't tell you how to observe EM, there are no words available,
but it is real enough and needs no aether.
So we fall back on mathematics, that's the language of science.
But you need to know the language, and it has some big words
in it.
e^(i.pi) + 1 = 0 is a very long sentence. It's a paragraph. The
words have meaning; you need to know the words to read
the paragraph. The paragraph relates the five most commonly
used values e,i, pi,1 and 0 and the operators add, multiply and exponent.
Words are assembled in an order to convey meaning.
It describes EM, and is beautiful art as well. Without understanding it,
without knowing the language, you are left blind and imagine aether.
I suppose I may as well be discussing Chinese, huh?

If light is local it would take a year to
become this large.

But light isn't local so don't worry about it.

How local is your eyeball to you?
It is not in the near-field of the emiters responsible
for its function, therefore it is non local.
http://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teachin...es/node52.html


I give up... you can't answer the simplest of questions, I'm
discussing the receiver and you switch to the emitter.
There is no common language between us. Have a nice life.
Goodbye.
Androcles.







This growth of light is what I mean by its inflation
or expansion.
Google for grow-lights. This is a physics NG.

Take your aether elsewhere, this is a physics NG.


Light has to grow to size. And must collapse at its
absorption.
This is a Physics NG. QM is a mathematical formalism.
http://mathworld.wolfram.com/SchroedingerEquation.html


This is a Physics NG. Aether is a leveraged portfolio of mortgage-backed
securities and other short-term government agency investments.
http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix....ol-aboutAether


According to Einstein photons are wave PACKETS as in his Photoelectric
effect.
He was wrong and Millikan proved it.

http://www.europhysicsnews.com/full/.../article3.html
http://www.eso.org/projects/vlti/

He is not wrong (on that), the photelectric effect proves it.
http://lectureonline.cl.msu.edu/~mmp...fect/photo.htm
The word 'propagation' does not appear on that page.


This means photons grow to size after emission and shrink back
(to points) at absorption. Photons change size as wavepackets change
under expansion/contraction.

In your wildest dreams.

Nick is more right than you realise.

Perhaps Nick is maturing, I had him killfiled for a long time.

His concept of light is almost circa 1700 A.D. so if you and
Henri don't pay attention he may leave you in the dust.





I believe that this physics is totally new and will be cutting edge
once it is known.

Nick is wrong here, it isn't new. It is however "cutting edge".

I once believed in the tooth fairy.

And still do, it seems.



What would an unformed light wave look like?

Probaby similar to a tooth fairy.
This is a Physics NG. Tooth fairies bear no resemblance to waves.
http://www.toothfairylegend.com/




I believe the physics of this is the change in light's wave shape(but
not energy) after emission. It is a combination of growing wavelength
and growing amplitude of the wave. With both starting from a
singularity (or infinitely small size) and going back to it(as mass at
absorption.) Light's energy nevertheless remains conserved during the
transition.

I believe you believe too many theories... all at once.

I believe you have a near field charge fetish.
I do. So don't get within whipping range. )

And what if light is emitted in the extreme of gravity where it could
grow larger than the universe? Where it going to fit? This is
especially important when the universe was small. I look forward to
this physics becoming known. I have searched the web and know that
know
one else is talking about this. Maybe someone is thinking about it but
I say I am the first to go public with it.

It won't fit. It will propatate at at 30cm/ns.

A propatate is the humble and very proper
"Cogito, ergo spud." -- I think, therefore I yam.

Spuds and Yams ?
Morning Glory Plant, gardening tips, organic gardening, flower
...Morning Glory (Sweet Potato Vine) CONVOLVULACEAE. Blackie Sweet
Potato Hard to believe that this is a Morning Glory, but it is in that
family. ...
www.emilycompost.com/morning_glory.htm

Sue...


Androcles.



Size also applies to the probability waves of quantum mechanics. They
must "fit" into the universe.

They just have to fit on the paper you are using.

This becomes important in Quantum
Cosmology Theory; or the theory of when the universe was very small.
Probability waves of matter grow to size also and shrink in wave
function collapse.

Crazy as they are, I don't think I've ever heard that argument from
a cosmologist.


If you followed this hope you like it!
It is no different that anyones else's babble that tries
to learn physics by listening to his own grey matter
slosh around.

You are making me mean like Dinky Pee-pee and Bilge
so study this before I turn into a witch.

http://web.mit.edu/8.02t/www/802TEAL3D/teal_tour.htm
http://arxiv.org/abs/physics/0204034

Sue...


I

Mitch Raemsch -- Light Falls --

Androcles wrote:
"Sue..." wrote in message
ups.com...

Androcles wrote:
"Sue..." wrote in message
oups.com...
Nick wrote:
The question behind Light Inflation/expansion physics is a simple one:
What happens when a very large light wave is emitted; one of very low
energy?
Then charges move in the same direction for a long time.

How long would it take to form the wave?
It takes a long time.


Nonsense. I can form a sound wave in a millisecond by saying
's', it will travel across my living room and be heard.




If it was, lets say, a
Say ???
Yes, say "Sssssssue".


light year long light wave by its energy: How long would we have to
wait for it to fully form?


It has no form.

Nonsense. Waves carry information and information has form.
Radio works.

A valid point. What is it that we 'observe' waving?
???

Match these observing instruments and their functions (or lack off)
(Note that English language is missing some definitions)

I am forbidden from taking any more ethics tests because I
forgot to cheat on the one given at the White House. :-)


a) Eyes, look, blind
b) Ears, listen, deaf
c) Tongue, taste, tasteless
d) Finger, touch, touchless
e) Nose, smell, smelliless
f) Skin, shiver/sweat

to these everyday observations
1) the cold of TV images
2) the smell of footprints
3) the feel of ice
4) the sight of body odour
5) the sound of orange juice
6) the taste of purple

Which sense would you use to observe an electro-magnetic wave?

Stand next to a loose waveguide flange and make up your own mind
which sense is telling you it is time to stand somewhere else. )

I use common sense. Some people are blind, some are deaf,
some are commonsenseless.
I don't have a word for commonsenseless, so I have had to coin it.
It isn't derogatory, it is as factual as blindness/deafness/lameness.
I can see/hear/smell/taste/touch/feel - observe EM radiation with
the final impact upon my neurons, where all the information eventually
arrives anyway.
If all people were colour-blind except you, they would not have
a word for "red", "yellow", "green", "blue".
You'd describe red to them as "like the setting sun", "like a rose",
"like blood", and they'd say there is no commonality between blood
and the sun and why does it have to be setting? You are clearly quite mad.
A scientist would investigate and determine that you were able to finely
discriminate wavelengths, but he/she would never understand colour.

Your sense of heat/cold is the most vital of all your senses, essential
to your survival.You'll die within minutes if you do not react to it.
Go out in the snow, naked. You'll react.
Put your hand in fire. You'll react.
If you do not react, you die.
Most people speak of five senses, but the sixth is so common
that everyone has it and those that do not are dead, so it isn't discussed.
It is "common sense". Common, it is shared by all. Sense, it tells
you something of the environment.
I can't tell you how to observe EM, there are no words available,
but it is real enough and needs no aether.
So we fall back on mathematics, that's the language of science.
But you need to know the language, and it has some big words
in it.
e^(i.pi) + 1 = 0 is a very long sentence. It's a paragraph. The
words have meaning; you need to know the words to read
the paragraph. The paragraph relates the five most commonly
used values e,i, pi,1 and 0 and the operators add, multiply and exponent.
Words are assembled in an order to convey meaning.
It describes EM, and is beautiful art as well. Without understanding it,
without knowing the language, you are left blind and imagine aether.
I suppose I may as well be discussing Chinese, huh?

If light is local it would take a year to
become this large.

But light isn't local so don't worry about it.

How local is your eyeball to you?
It is not in the near-field of the emiters responsible
for its function, therefore it is non local.
http://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teachin...es/node52.html


I give up... you can't answer the simplest of questions, I'm
discussing the receiver and you switch to the emitter.

That is what you are missing. The transmitting and receiving
structures alter the wave impedance the same. Ya don't don't
see both tranmitting and receiving pointed in the direction of
power flow do you?

The Androcle's theory of propagation would have us turning
all the receiving antenna, 180 degrees from where they *seem*
to be working fine. I have better things to do.


There is no common language between us. Have a nice life.


Goodbye.
Androcles.

Surrender accepted. )

Sue...








This growth of light is what I mean by its inflation
or expansion.
Google for grow-lights. This is a physics NG.

Take your aether elsewhere, this is a physics NG.


Light has to grow to size. And must collapse at its
absorption.
This is a Physics NG. QM is a mathematical formalism.
http://mathworld.wolfram.com/SchroedingerEquation.html


This is a Physics NG. Aether is a leveraged portfolio of mortgage-backed
securities and other short-term government agency investments.
http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix....ol-aboutAether


According to Einstein photons are wave PACKETS as in his Photoelectric
effect.
He was wrong and Millikan proved it.

http://www.europhysicsnews.com/full/.../article3.html
http://www.eso.org/projects/vlti/

He is not wrong (on that), the photelectric effect proves it.
http://lectureonline.cl.msu.edu/~mmp...fect/photo.htm
The word 'propagation' does not appear on that page.


This means photons grow to size after emission and shrink back
(to points) at absorption. Photons change size as wavepackets change
under expansion/contraction.

In your wildest dreams.

Nick is more right than you realise.

Perhaps Nick is maturing, I had him killfiled for a long time.

His concept of light is almost circa 1700 A.D. so if you and
Henri don't pay attention he may leave you in the dust.





I believe that this physics is totally new and will be cutting edge
once it is known.

Nick is wrong here, it isn't new. It is however "cutting edge".

I once believed in the tooth fairy.

And still do, it seems.



What would an unformed light wave look like?

Probaby similar to a tooth fairy.
This is a Physics NG. Tooth fairies bear no resemblance to waves.
http://www.toothfairylegend.com/




I believe the physics of this is the change in light's wave shape(but
not energy) after emission. It is a combination of growing wavelength
and growing amplitude of the wave. With both starting from a
singularity (or infinitely small size) and going back to it(as mass at
absorption.) Light's energy nevertheless remains conserved during the
transition.

I believe you believe too many theories... all at once.

I believe you have a near field charge fetish.
I do. So don't get within whipping range. )

And what if light is emitted in the extreme of gravity where it could
grow larger than the universe? Where it going to fit? This is
especially important when the universe was small. I look forward to
this physics becoming known. I have searched the web and know that
know
one else is talking about this. Maybe someone is thinking about it but
I say I am the first to go public with it.

It won't fit. It will propatate at at 30cm/ns.

A propatate is the humble and very proper
"Cogito, ergo spud." -- I think, therefore I yam.

Spuds and Yams ?
Morning Glory Plant, gardening tips, organic gardening, flower
...Morning Glory (Sweet Potato Vine) CONVOLVULACEAE. Blackie Sweet
Potato Hard to believe that this is a Morning Glory, but it is in that
family. ...
www.emilycompost.com/morning_glory.htm

Sue...


Androcles.



Size also applies to the probability waves of quantum mechanics. They
must "fit" into the universe.

They just have to fit on the paper you are using.

This becomes important in Quantum
Cosmology Theory; or the theory of when the universe was very small.
Probability waves of matter grow to size also and shrink in wave
function collapse.

Crazy as they are, I don't think I've ever heard that argument from
a cosmologist.


If you followed this hope you like it!
It is no different that anyones else's babble that tries
to learn physics by listening to his own grey matter
slosh around.

You are making me mean like Dinky Pee-pee and Bilge
so study this before I turn into a witch.

http://web.mit.edu/8.02t/www/802TEAL3D/teal_tour.htm
http://arxiv.org/abs/physics/0204034

Sue...


I

Mitch Raemsch -- Light Falls --

In article .com,
Nick wrote:

Gregory L. Hansen wrote:


A wave with a single wavelength is infinite in extent.

Nothing in this universe is infinite moron hanson.

Yes, nothing is infinite. That doesn't make my statement untrue. When
the other half of your brain comes back from the shop, maybe you can
figure out what that means for the wavelength of light. Now go sit in the
corner until you learn how to play nice.


--
"The hardest conviction to get into the mind of the beginner is that the
education he is receiving in college is not a medical course but a life
course for which the work of a few years under teachers is but a
preparation." -- Sir William Osler

On 8 Nov 2005 20:26:17 -0800, "Nick" wrote:

Peter I dont believe in the nonlocal.


You don't have to. But I get the impression there is evidence for it.

From:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Topological_order

One possible application is to use topologically ordered states as
media for quantum computing. Topologically ordered state is a state
with complicated non-local quantum entanglement. The non-localness
means that the quantum entanglement in topologically ordered state is
distributed among many different particles. As a result, the pattern
of quantum entanglements cannot be destroyed by local perturbations.
This significantly reduces the effect of decoherence. So if we use
different quantum entanglements in topologically ordered state to
encode quantum information, the information can last much longer. The
quantum information encoded by the topological quantum entanglements
can also be manipulated by dragging the topological defects around
each others. This process realizes quantum computation. So
topologically ordered states are natural media for both quantum memory
and quantum computation. Such realizations of quantum memory and
quantum computation are fault tolerant.