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Don Howe wrote:
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And each nuclear power station takes a hundred years to dismantle

What are you talking about?

The de-commissioning costs are horrendous.

We know what the costs are. But we also know whats the
cost of electronics is too. Rather than just
idiot EPA reports about coal reserves and kw/hr crap.

So since they go that way all the time on the issue,
it's irrelevent. Since Exxon and Wal-Mart have already
taken over the energy issue entirely from ****head
minds of morons like the anti-nukes, Japanese, Canadians,
and the EPA.

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News wrote:
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In article ,
Don Howe wrote:
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And each nuclear power station takes a hundred years to dismantle

What are you talking about?

The de-commissioning costs are horrendous.

We know what the costs are. But we also know whats the
cost of electronics is too. Rather than just
idiot EPA reports about coal reserves and kw/hr crap.

So since they go that way all the time on the issue,
it's irrelevent. Since Exxon and Wal-Mart have already
taken over the energy issue entirely from ****head
minds of morons like the anti-nukes, Japanese, Canadians,
and the EPA.
You don't have to decommission them at all. Just repair and keep running.
Look at nuclear subs. They only need refueling once every 20 years and run
forever.Like everything else, if allowed to flourish, is advanced, developed
and modernized and made more efficient with time. If you give it "no future"
you kill all the R&D and get stuck with stone age plants. We are building
hundreds of nuke plants all over the world as other countries see the value
of it. The US remains in the dark ages and it's people like scared children.
Ignorance abounds in the US.

Nog wrote:
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News wrote:
wrote in message
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In article ,
Don Howe wrote:
snip

And each nuclear power station takes a hundred years to dismantle

What are you talking about?

The de-commissioning costs are horrendous.

We know what the costs are. But we also know whats the
cost of electronics is too. Rather than just
idiot EPA reports about coal reserves and kw/hr crap.

So since they go that way all the time on the issue,
it's irrelevent. Since Exxon and Wal-Mart have already
taken over the energy issue entirely from ****head
minds of morons like the anti-nukes, Japanese, Canadians,
and the EPA.
You don't have to decommission them at all. Just repair and keep running.
Look at nuclear subs. They only need refueling once every 20 years and run
forever.

If nuclear subs ran forver they wouldn't get sunk
by conventional undersea volcaones as often as they do.



Like everything else, if allowed to flourish, is advanced, developed
and modernized and made more efficient with time. If you give it "no future"
you kill all the R&D and get stuck with stone age plants.

If you've seem a nuclear power plant, they not modern at all,
they got all of sorts of weird bio-fungus crap growing all
over them. Even coal plants are cleaner and more efficient
than nuke plants.





We are building
hundreds of nuke plants all over the world as other countries see the value
of it. The US remains in the dark ages and it's people like scared children.
Ignorance abounds in the US.

On 12 Oct 2005 07:03:19 -0700, wrote:

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If nuclear subs ran forver they wouldn't get sunk
by conventional undersea volcaones as often as they do.

How often is that? What is your source?


Regards,

Bill Ward.

Bill Ward wrote:
On 12 Oct 2005 07:03:19 -0700, wrote:

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If nuclear subs ran forver they wouldn't get sunk
by conventional undersea volcaones as often as they do.

How often is that? What is your source?

That's ultra-classified information like everything UN morons do.
Since the only thing UN morons do is Cuba and Che Guervo.



Regards,

Bill Ward.

On 12 Oct 2005 08:28:33 -0700, wrote:


Bill Ward wrote:
On 12 Oct 2005 07:03:19 -0700, wrote:

snip

If nuclear subs ran forver they wouldn't get sunk
by conventional undersea volcaones as often as they do.

How often is that? What is your source?

That's ultra-classified information like everything UN morons do.
Since the only thing UN morons do is Cuba and Che Guervo.

Well, I suppose every group has one, and zz is contributing his load
to this one.

Thirty years ago the cost in time and finance of 'decommissioning' a
nuclear power station was three hundred million *pounds* and one
hundred years. The Rothschilds' take from the economy of the world
since then and its consequent inflation means that the coat in USD is
now one and a half billion, and the hundred years still stand.

If you have other figures, zz, then please quote them, but don't just
fart your mind like that, as it's discourteous, it does nothing to
improve you or your image and shows you in a rather poor light.

I haven't seen any real statistics recently but I do know this, when
they preach how cheap nuclear power is, they have not tallied the full
scope of the process cradle to grave as they are only now attempting to
get Yucca Mountain in the chain. Until we actually decommission a plant
and pay for maintenance and security for the full term, and talley up
the full cost of waste disposal and transportation, we can only guess
at the cost.

There are several bad things about the use of nuclear fuel.
1. The expensive and dangerous refining process.
2. The concentration of energy in a small local area. If there is a
catastrophic disaster, it contaminates a huge area which will be tacked
on the cost. We have not had that yet and we do not include that in the
price we will pay.
3. What we are being told is the "instantaneous price" which has been
massaged and manipulated to sell nuclear power to the public but this
is only the "apparent" price as opposed to the "real" price
compensating for real costs.
4. How about the huge agency to "regulate" the industry?
5. Take the automobile, housing or oil industries today for example:
One day we buy an SUV because we get some kind of tax incentive if you
will recall. We are being encouraged to buy these things and we think
we're doing the right thing for America. Almost the next day we are
being condemned for buying the "piece of junk". We are accused for
being wasteful and our own President labels us as "gas hogs" by our
very own government who encouraged these hogs to be built.

We are now told "buy a hybrid" and you will be saved by the lord!

What happened to the old SUV, did they make the Auto Cartel recall the
"piece of junk" and give our money back? Hell No!

Did they make the Auto Cartel scrap out all the junk cars that are now
"gas hogs"? Hell No!

Did they make the Auto Cartel recall and retrofit the "piece of junk"
with a new efficient electric drive system using bio-diesel ? Hell No!

They continue to leave the gas hogs on the road to continue to burn
gas. So what was gained? Well the former "gas hog owners" just
rewarded the Auto Cartel by buying a hybrid from them. The SUV's will
no doubt be handed down to all the illegal aliens who know no better
and could care less. It will be on the road again in short time but
this time with no insurance!

All we have gained is having more vehicles on the road burning even
more gas. How did this help us in saving gas? This is only one of the
big scams that our government pulls on Americans every day to help the
big boys become even bigger.

You want to believe these same people when they tell you to support
Nuclear Power? Hell No!

More small plants managed by local people are far better than fewer
large plants controlled by huge corporations and government agencies.
Small co gens don't have the concentrated power and pose less threat
and can be easily managed by real people.

We also can get away from the large oil cartels and let the local
farmers provide bio-diesel rather than fossil products.

Automobiles should be made locally by local people in small plants.
This promotes competition and encourages a better product.

Say "NO" to the Automobile, Oil and Energy Cartels. Americans must
understand the big picture and quit letting the government and the
corporations run us.

could care less - couldn't care less

Energy research is indeed very important for our future. Future energy
development faces great challenges due to an increasing world
population, demands for higher standards of living, demands for less
pollution and a much discussed end to fossil fuels. Without energy, the
world's entire industrialised infrastructure would collapse;
agriculture, transportation, waste collection, information technology,
communications and much of the prerequisites that a developed nation
takes for granted. A shortage of the energy needed to sustain this
infrastructure could lead to a Malthusian catastrophe.

When Hubbert peak will be reached we'll be forced to use nuclear,
hydroelectric and solar power. Hydrogen is currently not an alternative
energy source. There are no uncombined hydrogen reserves on Earth that
could provide energy like fossil fuels, uranium or lithium.

In article .com,
"Orion" wrote:
Energy research is indeed very important for our future. Future energy
development faces great challenges due to an increasing world
population, demands for higher standards of living, demands for less
pollution and a much discussed end to fossil fuels. Without energy, the
world's entire industrialised infrastructure would collapse;
agriculture, transportation, waste collection, information technology,
communications and much of the prerequisites that a developed nation
takes for granted. A shortage of the energy needed to sustain this
infrastructure could lead to a Malthusian catastrophe.

When Hubbert peak will be reached we'll be forced to use nuclear,
hydroelectric and solar power. Hydrogen is currently not an alternative
energy source. There are no uncombined hydrogen reserves on Earth that
could provide energy like fossil fuels, uranium or lithium.

A person in another newsgroup, who trained as an economist
and thinks banking naturally, estimated that implementing
alternatives will become profitable when gas prices are
$12/gallon. I think he was talking US dollars but may
meant Euros. I didn't ask and should have.

/BAH