On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:50:03 +0545, Mahatana Dick
wrote:

[Hammond]
So it is clear to me that the above sequence will be a VISIBLE MOVIE
to an adult...... but will be an INVISIBLE MOVIE to a 5 year old
kid............

[Dick
A prediction.

[Hammond]
and this constitutes a PROOF that there is an
INVISBLE WORLD which more fully GROWN people can SEE, but
which less fully GROWN peo;le CAN'T SEE.


[Dick]
A claim to proof based on A prediction.

[Hammond]
It is a TESTABLE prediciton.

thousands of people have asked me to post a
TESTABLE PREDICITON of the SPOG (scientific
Proof of God)

Well, here it is, I predict that:

IT IS POSSIBLE TO MAKE A VIDEO MOVIE
WHICH IS VISIBLE TO AN ADULT, BUT
WILL BE INVISBLE TO A KID.

that is a TESTABLE PREDICTION of the SPOG, since
such a thing has NEVER been done before!

[Hammond]
.... here's how the video is to be made:

In fact, it is known (Riedel 1966) that a
1/15 of a second flash CAN be seen by and adult, but
not by the kid..... in fact you have to increase the
lenght of the flash to 1/10 of a second before the kid can
see it.

This is why the PFF (picture fusion frequency) of adults
is known to be 15 frames/sec, but for a 7 year old it
is known to be 10 frames/second (Riedel 1966).

OK... this tells you that if you make a "movie" out of
a series of brief flashes (1 or 2 video frames) which
are too short to be Seen by a kid, but long enough to be
seen by an adult.... voila...you have made a (crude)
movie that is VISBLE to an adult, but is INVISIBLE
to a child.


For instance, using ordinary 30 frames/second video,
I predict that the following video clip will be a movie
that will be VISIBLE to an adult, and INVISIBE to a
kid of 5 years old:


01|02|...|...|...|...|07|08|...|...|...|...|13|14| ...|...|...|...|19|20|...|..|...|...|25|26|...|... |...|...|-------repeat10times------

(NOTE: this is 1-second of a standard video, to make
the movie clip simply repeat it ten times to make a 10
second vido clip)

NOTE:

-----|...|------ = 1/30 of a second (one frame)

-----|19|20|----- = 1/15 of a second (2 frames)

-----|...|...|...|...|------ = 1/7.5 of a second (4 frames)

The numbered frames are frames from an actual REAL MOVIE video, while
the |...| frames are BLANK (light gray) frames.

Remember, 2 frames is 2(1/30) = 1/15 of a second, so the ADULT
should see the numbered frames. The 4 repeated |...| frames take
1/7.5 seconds, so the kid can see those, but he cannot see the double
numbered frames.

So it is clear to me that the above sequence will be a VISIBLE MOVIE
to an adult...... but will be an INVISIBLE MOVIE to a 5 year old
kid............ and this constitutes a PROOF that there is an
INVISBLE WORLD which more fully GROWN people can SEE, but
which less fully GROWN people CAN'T SEE.


[Hammond]
SO.... I have just made a TESTABLE PREDICTION of the SPOG... and
anyone is free to get out his video editor on his desktop computer
and TEST IT. Until then,

PUT Up OR SHUT UP!

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George Hammond wrote:
On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:50:03 +0545, Mahatana Dick
[Hammond]
SO.... I have just made a TESTABLE PREDICTION of the SPOG... and
anyone is free to get out his video editor on his desktop computer
and TEST IT. Until then,

No you haven't. You've made a prediction that an adult can see a movie
that a child cannot. A highly dubious prediction, but one with zero
relevance to the existence of god(s) or not.

PUT Up OR SHUT UP!

It's your prediction. You do it.

Even someone of your extremely limited means could cobble together such
a movie using static images stitched together with free video tools.

Even someone of your extremely limited means could cobble together such
a movie using static images stitched together with free video tools.

He probably did, but it simply didn't work the way he had 'predicted'.
There is no such mechanism that he claims, it does not work, it cannot
work. As most religionists would he rejects the failure as being the
fault of something else: the computer is too fast, or too slow, or not
religious enough; the program is doing it wrong; no one else is
intelligent enough to understand; anything but that he is a failure.

On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:12:32 +0100, Cardinal Chunder
wrote:

George Hammond wrote:
On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:50:03 +0545, Mahatana Dick
[Hammond]
SO.... I have just made a TESTABLE PREDICTION of the SPOG... and
anyone is free to get out his video editor on his desktop computer
and TEST IT. Until then,

No you haven't. You've made a prediction that an adult can see a movie
that a child cannot. A highly dubious prediction, but one with zero
relevance to the existence of god(s) or not.


[Hammond]
WRONG.

On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:50:03 +0545, Mahatana Dick
wrote:

[Hammond]
So it is clear to me that the above sequence will be a VISIBLE MOVIE
to an adult...... but will be an INVISIBLE MOVIE to a 5 year old
kid............

[Dick
A prediction.

[Hammond]
and this constitutes a PROOF that there is an
INVISBLE WORLD which more fully GROWN people can SEE, but
which less fully GROWN peo;le CAN'T SEE.


[Dick]
A claim to proof based on A prediction.



[Hammond]
It is a TESTABLE prediciton.

thousands of people have asked me to post a
TESTABLE PREDICITON of the SPOG (scientific
Proof of God)

Well, here it is, I predict that:

IT IS POSSIBLE TO MAKE A VIDEO MOVIE
WHICH IS VISIBLE TO AN ADULT, BUT
WILL BE INVISBLE TO A KID.

that is a TESTABLE PREDICTION of the SPOG, since
such a thing has NEVER been done before!

[Hammond]
.... here's how the video is to be made:

In fact, it is known (Riedel 1966) that a
1/15 of a second flash CAN be seen by and adult, but
not by the kid..... in fact you have to increase the
lenght of the flash to 1/10 of a second before the kid can
see it.

This is why the PFF (picture fusion frequency) of adults
is known to be 15 frames/sec, but for a 7 year old it
is known to be 10 frames/second (Riedel 1966).

OK... this tells you that if you make a "movie" out of
a series of brief flashes (1 or 2 video frames) which
are too short to be Seen by a kid, but long enough to be
seen by an adult.... voila...you have made a (crude)
movie that is VISBLE to an adult, but is INVISIBLE
to a child.


For instance, using ordinary 30 frames/second video,
I predict that the following video clip will be a movie
that will be VISIBLE to an adult, and INVISIBE to a
kid of 5 years old:


01|02|...|...|...|...|07|08|...|...|...|...|13|14| ...|...|...|...|19|20|...|..|...|...|25|26|...|... |...|...|-------repeat10times------

(NOTE: this is 1-second of a standard video, to make
the movie clip simply repeat it ten times to make a 10
second vido clip)

NOTE:

-----|...|------ = 1/30 of a second (one frame)

-----|19|20|----- = 1/15 of a second (2 frames)

-----|...|...|...|...|------ = 1/7.5 of a second (4 frames)

The numbered frames are frames from an actual REAL MOVIE video, while
the |...| frames are BLANK (light gray) frames.

Remember, 2 frames is 2(1/30) = 1/15 of a second, so the ADULT
should see the numbered frames. The 4 repeated |...| frames take
1/7.5 seconds, so the kid can see those, but he cannot see the double
numbered frames.

So it is clear to me that the above sequence will be a VISIBLE MOVIE
to an adult...... but will be an INVISIBLE MOVIE to a 5 year old
kid............ and this constitutes a PROOF that there is an
INVISBLE WORLD which more fully GROWN people can SEE, but
which less fully GROWN people CAN'T SEE.


[Hammond]
SO.... I have just made a TESTABLE PREDICTION of the SPOG... and
anyone is free to get out his video editor on his desktop computer
and TEST IT. Until then,

PUT Up OR SHUT UP!


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On 10 Oct 2005 10:42:17 -0700, wrote:

Even someone of your extremely limited means could cobble together such
a movie using static images stitched together with free video tools.

He probably did, but it simply didn't work the way he had 'predicted'.


There is no such mechanism that he claims,

[Hammond]
Oh yes there is.



it does not work, it cannot
work.

[Hammond]
Oh yes it does.

As most religionists would he rejects the failure as being the
fault of something else: the computer is too fast, or too slow, or not
religious enough; the program is doing it wrong; no one else is
intelligent enough to understand; anything but that he is a failure.

[Hammond]
You can't do it with a computer...AVI and MPEG's only run at 12
frames/second because of the slowness of the CPU.

You have to do it with a video tape and a VCR using a computer
VIDEO EDITOR to edit the tape.

Lets get on it rich boys... get your thumbs out of your ass and
TEST Hammond's TESTABLE PREDICITON of the Scientific
Proof of God. ... whaddau think all those expensive toys are
for? Watching porno films?



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fault of something else: the computer is too fast, or too slow, or not

[Hammond]
You can't do it with a computer...AVI and MPEG's only run at 12
frames/second because of the slowness of the CPU.

Your claim is that they wouldn't see anything shorter than 1/10sec.
1/12sec is shorter.

That it does not work at 12 fps is ABSOLUTE PROOF that you are a
failure.

You still haven't explained why anyone can see any films at all: This
is your claim:

1/10 sec - everyone sees it
1/15 sec - kids can't see it
1/30 sec - no on sees it
1/48 sec - double shuttered films

Wow, all those stupid people who pay to sit in a cinema and watch an
_invisible_ film. They must have really low IQ to waste their time,
aren't you glad you have such an enormous IQ that you can still see it,
geez if it is triple shuttered at 1/72sec then that is _proof_ that
your IQ is 500 or more, it is only a surprise that your head doen't
explode.

George Hammond wrote:
On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:12:32 +0100, Cardinal Chunder
wrote:

George Hammond wrote:
On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:50:03 +0545, Mahatana Dick
[Hammond]
SO.... I have just made a TESTABLE PREDICTION of the SPOG... and
anyone is free to get out his video editor on his desktop computer
and TEST IT. Until then,
No you haven't. You've made a prediction that an adult can see a movie
that a child cannot. A highly dubious prediction, but one with zero
relevance to the existence of god(s) or not.


[Hammond]
WRONG.

Right actually. Even if this vaunted (and so far non-existent video) did
do what you claimed, it would be a evidence to support the prediction
and nothing more.

On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:50:03 +0545, Mahatana Dick
wrote:

[Hammond]
So it is clear to me that the above sequence will be a VISIBLE MOVIE
to an adult...... but will be an INVISIBLE MOVIE to a 5 year old
kid............

[Dick
A prediction.

[Hammond]
and this constitutes a PROOF that there is an
INVISBLE WORLD which more fully GROWN people can SEE, but
which less fully GROWN peo;le CAN'T SEE.

[Dick]
A claim to proof based on A prediction.



[Hammond]
It is a TESTABLE prediciton.

thousands of people have asked me to post a
TESTABLE PREDICITON of the SPOG (scientific
Proof of God)

Well, here it is, I predict that:

IT IS POSSIBLE TO MAKE A VIDEO MOVIE
WHICH IS VISIBLE TO AN ADULT, BUT
WILL BE INVISBLE TO A KID.

that is a TESTABLE PREDICTION of the SPOG, since
such a thing has NEVER been done before!

Well demonstrate it. You claim it so you go off and make the video.

[Hammond]
.... here's how the video is to be made:

In fact, it is known (Riedel 1966) that a
1/15 of a second flash CAN be seen by and adult, but
not by the kid..... in fact you have to increase the
lenght of the flash to 1/10 of a second before the kid can
see it.

Great, where's the video?

This is why the PFF (picture fusion frequency) of adults
is known to be 15 frames/sec, but for a 7 year old it
is known to be 10 frames/second (Riedel 1966).

OK... this tells you that if you make a "movie" out of
a series of brief flashes (1 or 2 video frames) which
are too short to be Seen by a kid, but long enough to be
seen by an adult.... voila...you have made a (crude)
movie that is VISBLE to an adult, but is INVISIBLE
to a child.


Great, where's the video?

For instance, using ordinary 30 frames/second video,
I predict that the following video clip will be a movie
that will be VISIBLE to an adult, and INVISIBE to a
kid of 5 years old:


01|02|...|...|...|...|07|08|...|...|...|...|13|14| ...|...|...|...|19|20|...|..|...|...|25|26|...|... |...|...|-------repeat10times------

(NOTE: this is 1-second of a standard video, to make
the movie clip simply repeat it ten times to make a 10
second vido clip)

NOTE:

-----|...|------ = 1/30 of a second (one frame)

-----|19|20|----- = 1/15 of a second (2 frames)

-----|...|...|...|...|------ = 1/7.5 of a second (4 frames)

The numbered frames are frames from an actual REAL MOVIE video, while
the |...| frames are BLANK (light gray) frames.

Remember, 2 frames is 2(1/30) = 1/15 of a second, so the ADULT
should see the numbered frames. The 4 repeated |...| frames take
1/7.5 seconds, so the kid can see those, but he cannot see the double
numbered frames.

So it is clear to me that the above sequence will be a VISIBLE MOVIE
to an adult...... but will be an INVISIBLE MOVIE to a 5 year old
kid............ and this constitutes a PROOF that there is an
INVISBLE WORLD which more fully GROWN people can SEE, but
which less fully GROWN people CAN'T SEE.

Great, where's the video?

[Hammond]
SO.... I have just made a TESTABLE PREDICTION of the SPOG... and
anyone is free to get out his video editor on his desktop computer
and TEST IT. Until then,

PUT Up OR SHUT UP!

You put up or shut up. It's your extraordinary claim, so you produce
this video. It should be no effort at all for someone considering the
emotional investment you've made in this "prediction".

Here, let me toss you some bones:

http://www.avisynth.org/
http://www.virtualdub.org/
http://www.jahshaka.org/

Oh wait, you want *other* people to confirm your prediction.

I wonder why. My guess is so that you can bitch and moan about file
formats, gif animation rates or other excuses when they cannot reproduce
the effect you claim.

George Hammond wrote:

[Hammond]
It is a TESTABLE prediciton.

thousands of people have asked me to post a
TESTABLE PREDICITON of the SPOG (scientific
Proof of God)

Well, here it is, I predict that:

IT IS POSSIBLE TO MAKE A VIDEO MOVIE
WHICH IS VISIBLE TO AN ADULT, BUT
WILL BE INVISBLE TO A KID.

that is a TESTABLE PREDICTION of the SPOG, since
such a thing has NEVER been done before!

And IT CAN'T BE DONE. Your prediction fails. The SPOG is scientifically
falsified.

If you have evidence to the contrary, post it.

TMG wrote:
George Hammond wrote:

[Hammond]
It is a TESTABLE prediciton.

thousands of people have asked me to post a
TESTABLE PREDICITON of the SPOG (scientific
Proof of God)

Well, here it is, I predict that:

IT IS POSSIBLE TO MAKE A VIDEO MOVIE
WHICH IS VISIBLE TO AN ADULT, BUT
WILL BE INVISBLE TO A KID.

that is a TESTABLE PREDICTION of the SPOG, since
such a thing has NEVER been done before!


And IT CAN'T BE DONE. Your prediction fails. The SPOG is scientifically
falsified.

If you have evidence to the contrary, post it.

"TMG" wrote in message
...

TMG wrote:
George Hammond wrote:

[Hammond]
It is a TESTABLE prediciton.

thousands of people have asked me to post a
TESTABLE PREDICITON of the SPOG (scientific
Proof of God)

Well, here it is, I predict that:

IT IS POSSIBLE TO MAKE A VIDEO MOVIE
WHICH IS VISIBLE TO AN ADULT, BUT
WILL BE INVISBLE TO A KID.

that is a TESTABLE PREDICTION of the SPOG, since
such a thing has NEVER been done before!


And IT CAN'T BE DONE. Your prediction fails. The SPOG is scientifically
falsified.

If you have evidence to the contrary, post it.

i hate to have to point out the obvious, especially if it defends 'spog'...
but the way he made that 'prediction' it is impossible to prove it false.
of course you may also never be able to prove it true either, but you
definately can't prove it false.