I believe in a closed universe - the universe as the surface of a
hypersphere. If this is the case the expansion of the universe is the
stretching of space inbetween the galaxies.

There are two ways of seeing the redshift to light of the galaxies. The
first is the known one. It is the Doppler shift to light from the
motion of the galaxies away from each other. But space-stretches
inbetween and is equivalent to motion their away from each other.

The redshift to light can also be seen as being caused by the
Space-Stretch. As light traverses the stretching space it too is
stretched.

Therefore with this principle the phenomenon of the cosmological
redshift to light is seen to be an operational one. It can be explained
in two ways.

The motion redshift to light is equivalent to space stretching and
stretching the light in turn.

Nick wrote:
I believe in a closed universe - the universe as the surface of a
hypersphere. If this is the case the expansion of the universe is the
stretching of space inbetween the galaxies.

There are two ways of seeing the redshift to light of the galaxies. The
first is the known one. It is the Doppler shift to light from the
motion of the galaxies away from each other. But space-stretches
inbetween and is equivalent to motion their away from each other.

The redshift to light can also be seen as being caused by the
Space-Stretch. As light traverses the stretching space it too is
stretched.

Therefore with this principle the phenomenon of the cosmological
redshift to light is seen to be an operational one. It can be explained
in two ways.

The motion redshift to light is equivalent to space stretching and
stretching the light in turn.

If you include the bits of matter so that you have
something other that the space between your ears to
stretch, then you might just arrive at some reasonable
dielectric properties that approximate the Hubble Law.
http://www-ssg.sr.unh.edu/ism/what1.html

Sue...

Nick

according to theory :

The Hubble red shift of galaxies is NOT a Doppler effect but is
actually caused by the space (whatever it is ) between galaxies
strecthing merely giving the appearance of a Doppler effect.

IT IS NOT A DOPPLER EFFECT BUT THE APPEARANCE OF ONE.

Scientists approximate it as a Doppler effect as it is convenient in
their calculations.

blackboab wrote:
Nick

according to theory :

The Hubble red shift of galaxies is NOT a Doppler effect but is
actually caused by the space (whatever it is ) between galaxies
strecthing merely giving the appearance of a Doppler effect.

IT IS NOT A DOPPLER EFFECT BUT THE APPEARANCE OF ONE.

Scientists approximate it as a Doppler effect as it is convenient in
their calculations.

How do they "approximate" it? It must be equivalent.The cosmological
redshift is operational. It can be thought of in two ways.

Who's theory actually explains how the space-stretch stretches the
light? You have merely repeated my assertion. But you must consider the
space-stretch as equivalent to galaxies in motion. Its required.

The space stretch isn't a relative but neither is motion through space.
We know how far away and the "speed" of the galaxies. Nothing relative
about it.

Nick

I am only reporting what I have read., I can assure you I dont
understand it but how many people really do ? even those who profess to
understand it merely have an operation grasp of the equations and can
implement them in a practical fashion. as for really understanding it I
am sure that is reserved for a handful of theoretical physicists.

Just get the concept of the causal horizon and the local Universe (out
to it) and the global universe (all that beyond it) and that will help
to correct your thinking. Maybe. But I'm not sure. Can a salamander
be taught how to drive a car????

Darlene, another pecan, please. Saturday? OK. I'll bring the two
slabs of raw liver.

And you really understand it about as much as a pelican does,

If Poincare , Lorentz and Fitgerald struggled to come to terms with SR
what chance do you have ?

about as much chance as a pelican.

On a sunny day (3 Oct 2005 04:44:19 -0700) it happened
wrote in
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Just get the concept of the causal horizon and the local Universe (out
to it) and the global universe (all that beyond it) and that will help
to correct your thinking. Maybe. But I'm not sure. Can a salamander
be taught how to drive a car????
Well... it seems ANYTHING (just plain neurons) can be tought how to fly a plane...
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...1022104658.htm

And looking at how some computer programs are written, you'd think they
(rats) can program too.
Needed to do some simple video editing today... SIMPLE video editing.
That my dear friends- is not possible, only COMPLICATED is sold.
At least I am still were I was when I started.
rats

have you tried nanocosmos' nanoedit.

it is very basic and may not be what you need.

basically it lets you chop mpgs up into smaller segments and then
rejoin them. thats about all it does.

its free