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Old September 18th 05 posted to alt.astronomy,sci.physics
Greysky
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Default This is the Real Reason the Sun is going ccrazy.

During the last 10 or so years, the sun has been getting increasingly out of
control. Ten years ago, the sun was a placid star, so tame that we could
teach the 11 year regularity of the sunspot cycle to grade school kids - as
if we were describing the regular stomach growlings of a puppy and not a
raging thermonuclear reactor! Unfortunately for us here on earth, when the
sun gets weird, we will feel its effects because of the many ecological and
climatological systems that are in delicate balance and utterly reliant on a
stable source of energy. Inside the last 10 years we have experienced the
beginnings of radical climate disruption - the ice shelf's are melting, the
hole in the ozone layer is getting larger, ocean and air currents are
changing radically which is leading us into a violent storm cycle, as
evidence look at the destruction Katrina has done. There are many other
things occurring, and there is plenty of expectation that they will all get
much, much worse before they get better.

The disingenuous amongst us, looking for an easy scapegoat, place the blame
on human action. This is silly. We are just not that powerful to be able to
affect our planet significantly, and we haven't done anything to the sun!
For once, humans need to place the 'blame' elsewhere. The truth is at once
more scary, and revelatory of just how powerless we all really are (despite
wishes or intentions).

In 1993, there occurred an event on Earth that gives a clue to what is
happening to our star. Evaluation of the seismic record for 1993 shows that
the Earth was impacted by 2 dense bundles of quark matter - dubbed
'strangelets'. Although these objects were microscopic in size, quark matter
can have a density of more than a million times that of ordinary matter.
Lucky for us, these quark matter pebbles were moving upwards of a million
miles per hour, and the earth wasn't dense or big enough to stop them. They
sailed right on through. We were left only with a subterranean rumbling
recorded on NORAD'S earthquake detectors to show they had hit us. However,
the fact that we hit 2 of these things within months of each other indicates
that the solar system must have passed through a swarm of these objects in
1993. Harmless to the planets because they are just too tiny to stop them,
they would have caused no damage even if there were hundreds of strikes on
each of the 9 planets and many many, moons of our solar system. But, what
about the sun? Being thousands of times larger than even Jupiter, and having
a high density of gasses and large gravitational field, even a strangelet
moving a million miles an hour would not be going fast enough to escape.
During that fateful year, our Sun must have absorbed many hundreds of these
strangelets, most of which were trapped in the star and are now presently
orbiting the center of mass *inside* the star and absorbing any matter they
come into contact with. Most of the energy generated by the destruction of
the sun's mass is released inside the star, heating it up and destabilizing
it. Some of the energy is being absorbed by the strangelets and making them
bigger, and more dangerous.

The process can not be stopped, and its ultimate end will result in the
premature explosion of our star. How long do we have? Years? Decades? Who
knows. If it is any consolation, we will not be around to see that actual
explosion - the earth will have long since been rendered dead and lifeless.
Our National and world leaders are in full knowledge of this sequence of
events. This is the main reason why we are committing national / global
suicide by racking up a planetary national debt of trillions of dollars,
which even a child knows can never be paid off. It is obvious from their
profligate ways that our national leaders have adopted the philosophy, "Let
the party never end!" According to most economic analysts, the party should
be ending by the end of the decade. The Mayans told us the party is going to
end in 2012.

Well, at least now we know how a star as small as ours can go supernova, or
at least something very close to it...

Greysky

www.allocations.cc
Learn how to build a FTL radio.





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Old September 18th 05 posted to alt.astronomy,sci.physics
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Default This is the Real Reason the Sun is going ccrazy.

I think that it merely quit taking its lithium.

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Old September 18th 05 posted to alt.astronomy,sci.physics
Mike
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Default This is the Real Reason the Sun is going ccrazy.


Greysky wrote:
During the last 10 or so years, the sun has been getting increasingly out of
control. Ten years ago, the sun was a placid star, so tame that we could
teach the 11 year regularity of the sunspot cycle to grade school kids - as
if we were describing the regular stomach growlings of a puppy and not a
raging thermonuclear reactor! Unfortunately for us here on earth, when the
sun gets weird, we will feel its effects because of the many ecological and
climatological systems that are in delicate balance and utterly reliant on a
stable source of energy. Inside the last 10 years we have experienced the
beginnings of radical climate disruption - the ice shelf's are melting, the
hole in the ozone layer is getting larger, ocean and air currents are
changing radically which is leading us into a violent storm cycle, as
evidence look at the destruction Katrina has done. There are many other
things occurring, and there is plenty of expectation that they will all get
much, much worse before they get better.

The disingenuous amongst us, looking for an easy scapegoat, place the blame
on human action. This is silly. We are just not that powerful to be able to
affect our planet significantly, and we haven't done anything to the sun!
For once, humans need to place the 'blame' elsewhere. The truth is at once
more scary, and revelatory of just how powerless we all really are (despite
wishes or intentions).

In 1993, there occurred an event on Earth that gives a clue to what is
happening to our star. Evaluation of the seismic record for 1993 shows that
the Earth was impacted by 2 dense bundles of quark matter - dubbed
'strangelets'. Although these objects were microscopic in size, quark matter
can have a density of more than a million times that of ordinary matter.
Lucky for us, these quark matter pebbles were moving upwards of a million
miles per hour, and the earth wasn't dense or big enough to stop them. They
sailed right on through. We were left only with a subterranean rumbling
recorded on NORAD'S earthquake detectors to show they had hit us. However,
the fact that we hit 2 of these things within months of each other indicates
that the solar system must have passed through a swarm of these objects in
1993. Harmless to the planets because they are just too tiny to stop them,
they would have caused no damage even if there were hundreds of strikes on
each of the 9 planets and many many, moons of our solar system. But, what
about the sun? Being thousands of times larger than even Jupiter, and having
a high density of gasses and large gravitational field, even a strangelet
moving a million miles an hour would not be going fast enough to escape.
During that fateful year, our Sun must have absorbed many hundreds of these
strangelets, most of which were trapped in the star and are now presently
orbiting the center of mass *inside* the star and absorbing any matter they
come into contact with. Most of the energy generated by the destruction of
the sun's mass is released inside the star, heating it up and destabilizing
it. Some of the energy is being absorbed by the strangelets and making them
bigger, and more dangerous.

The process can not be stopped, and its ultimate end will result in the
premature explosion of our star. How long do we have? Years? Decades? Who
knows. If it is any consolation, we will not be around to see that actual
explosion - the earth will have long since been rendered dead and lifeless.
Our National and world leaders are in full knowledge of this sequence of
events. This is the main reason why we are committing national / global
suicide by racking up a planetary national debt of trillions of dollars,
which even a child knows can never be paid off. It is obvious from their
profligate ways that our national leaders have adopted the philosophy, "Let
the party never end!" According to most economic analysts, the party should
be ending by the end of the decade. The Mayans told us the party is going to
end in 2012.

Well, at least now we know how a star as small as ours can go supernova, or
at least something very close to it...

Greysky

www.allocations.cc
Learn how to build a FTL radio.


1. There may be other explanations for the observed 1993 earth quakes.
You are
assuming that Strangelets are the cause on insufficent evidence.
2. It is only a hypothesis that strangelets can exist outside of
the quark stars which created them. There has been no independent
verification that strangelets exist.
3. People have argued against the Relativistic Heavy Ion Collider
because they
say that it could produce strangelets. If that were true,
strangelets
should be produced by cosmic rays. Since the planet is still here
it seems
unlikely that strangelets have a harmful effect.
4. Robert Jaffe, director of the Center for Theoretical Physics at MIT
has
argued that the most likely scenario is that a strangelet
would have a small positive charge. Strangelets only become
dangerous if
the strangelet nuclei carries a negative charge. A negatively
charged
strangelet would then attract ordinary nuclei and consume them.
5. You have supplied no economic analysis to support your conclusions
about the
overall health of the world economy.

Bottom-line: take a chill pill.

--Mike Jr.

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Old September 18th 05 posted to alt.astronomy,sci.physics
Uncle Al
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Default This is the Real Reason the Sun is going ccrazy.

Greysky wrote:
[snip]

In 1993, there occurred an event on Earth that gives a clue to what is
happening to our star. Evaluation of the seismic record for 1993 shows that
the Earth was impacted by 2 dense bundles of quark matter - dubbed
'strangelets'.

[snip crap]

Learn how to build a FTL radio.

[snip rest of crap]

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Old September 18th 05 posted to alt.astronomy,sci.physics
Greysky
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Posts: 168
Default This is the Real Reason the Sun is going c-crazy.


"Mike" wrote in message
oups.com...

Greysky wrote:
During the last 10 or so years, the sun has been getting increasingly out
of
control. Ten years ago, the sun was a placid star, so tame that we could
teach the 11 year regularity of the sunspot cycle to grade school kids -
as
if we were describing the regular stomach growlings of a puppy and not a
raging thermonuclear reactor! Unfortunately for us here on earth, when
the
sun gets weird, we will feel its effects because of the many ecological
and
climatological systems that are in delicate balance and utterly reliant
on a
stable source of energy. Inside the last 10 years we have experienced the
beginnings of radical climate disruption - the ice shelf's are melting,
the
hole in the ozone layer is getting larger, ocean and air currents are
changing radically which is leading us into a violent storm cycle, as
evidence look at the destruction Katrina has done. There are many other
things occurring, and there is plenty of expectation that they will all
get
much, much worse before they get better.

The disingenuous amongst us, looking for an easy scapegoat, place the
blame
on human action. This is silly. We are just not that powerful to be able
to
affect our planet significantly, and we haven't done anything to the sun!
For once, humans need to place the 'blame' elsewhere. The truth is at
once
more scary, and revelatory of just how powerless we all really are
(despite
wishes or intentions).

In 1993, there occurred an event on Earth that gives a clue to what is
happening to our star. Evaluation of the seismic record for 1993 shows
that
the Earth was impacted by 2 dense bundles of quark matter - dubbed
'strangelets'. Although these objects were microscopic in size, quark
matter
can have a density of more than a million times that of ordinary matter.
Lucky for us, these quark matter pebbles were moving upwards of a million
miles per hour, and the earth wasn't dense or big enough to stop them.
They
sailed right on through. We were left only with a subterranean rumbling
recorded on NORAD'S earthquake detectors to show they had hit us.
However,
the fact that we hit 2 of these things within months of each other
indicates
that the solar system must have passed through a swarm of these objects
in
1993. Harmless to the planets because they are just too tiny to stop
them,
they would have caused no damage even if there were hundreds of strikes
on
each of the 9 planets and many many, moons of our solar system. But, what
about the sun? Being thousands of times larger than even Jupiter, and
having
a high density of gasses and large gravitational field, even a strangelet
moving a million miles an hour would not be going fast enough to escape.
During that fateful year, our Sun must have absorbed many hundreds of
these
strangelets, most of which were trapped in the star and are now presently
orbiting the center of mass *inside* the star and absorbing any matter
they
come into contact with. Most of the energy generated by the destruction
of
the sun's mass is released inside the star, heating it up and
destabilizing
it. Some of the energy is being absorbed by the strangelets and making
them
bigger, and more dangerous.

The process can not be stopped, and its ultimate end will result in the
premature explosion of our star. How long do we have? Years? Decades? Who
knows. If it is any consolation, we will not be around to see that actual
explosion - the earth will have long since been rendered dead and
lifeless.
Our National and world leaders are in full knowledge of this sequence of
events. This is the main reason why we are committing national / global
suicide by racking up a planetary national debt of trillions of dollars,
which even a child knows can never be paid off. It is obvious from their
profligate ways that our national leaders have adopted the philosophy,
"Let
the party never end!" According to most economic analysts, the party
should
be ending by the end of the decade. The Mayans told us the party is going
to
end in 2012.

Well, at least now we know how a star as small as ours can go supernova,
or
at least something very close to it...

Greysky

www.allocations.cc
Learn how to build a FTL radio.


1. There may be other explanations for the observed 1993 earth quakes.
You are
assuming that Strangelets are the cause on insufficent evidence.


What evidence do you need? The head of NASA telling you they are really
using SOHO to monitor the increasing solar instability so they can provide
the Administration with a more accurate estimate of when we will get cooked?
Wont happen. Besides, for direct evidence, you would need to observe similar
quakes for the same time priod happening on the other planets, and we can't
do that. As for the sun, a massive strangelet falling into the star will
simply not generate much evidence unless it were the mass of a small planet,
in which case we wouldn't still be here. Sometimes, all the evidence you
have is all you'll ever get...

2. It is only a hypothesis that strangelets can exist outside of
the quark stars which created them. There has been no independent
verification that strangelets exist.


I have no doubt our hypothesis are not totally correct. Things are usually
worse than they at first appear.

3. People have argued against the Relativistic Heavy Ion Collider
because they
say that it could produce strangelets. If that were true,
strangelets
should be produced by cosmic rays. Since the planet is still here
it seems
unlikely that strangelets have a harmful effect.


You are comparing apples with oranges. Locally grown strangelets may be
impossible to create at the low energy levels we can muster. This has
absolutly nothing to do with strange matter created in a supernova, or when
black holes collide. If the solar system encountered one of these swarms in
1993, it is just bad luck for us.
See: http://focus.aps.org/story/v16/st Though it isn't stated directly in
the article, it does indicate that strangelets are 500% - 1000% easier to
create than had been previously assumed. I suspect the picture will worsen
as we learn more...

4. Robert Jaffe, director of the Center for Theoretical Physics at MIT
has
argued that the most likely scenario is that a strangelet
would have a small positive charge. Strangelets only become
dangerous if
the strangelet nuclei carries a negative charge. A negatively
charged
strangelet would then attract ordinary nuclei and consume them.


No one knows with certainty what effect a positive or neutral strangelet
will have on normal matter. Especially a large amount of it regularly
passing through the solar core. A large enough piece of positivly charged
quark matter will be able to generate all manner of strange virtual
particles which will interact in the solar environment again leading to much
instability.



5. You have supplied no economic analysis to support your conclusions
about the
overall health of the world economy.


Call up Milton Friedman and ask him how much debt the American economy is
accumulating. This is the easiest data to independently corroborate.
Economies are not isolated. They are linked together in a web of debt the
world over. Just look at what governments do and not listen to what they
say.


Bottom-line: take a chill pill.


I suspect there will be many people taking chill pills once they realize the
truth of the bleak world situation we are facing and how completely
powerless we are to stop it.

Greysky

www.allocations.cc
Learn how to build a FTL radio.


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Old September 19th 05 posted to alt.astronomy,sci.physics
Mike
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Default This is the Real Reason the Sun is going c-crazy.

Greysky wrote:
"Mike" wrote in message
oups.com...

Greysky wrote:
During the last 10 or so years, the sun has been getting increasingly out
of
control. Ten years ago, the sun was a placid star, so tame that we could
teach the 11 year regularity of the sunspot cycle to grade school kids -
as
if we were describing the regular stomach growlings of a puppy and not a
raging thermonuclear reactor! Unfortunately for us here on earth, when
the
sun gets weird, we will feel its effects because of the many ecological
and
climatological systems that are in delicate balance and utterly reliant
on a
stable source of energy. Inside the last 10 years we have experienced the
beginnings of radical climate disruption - the ice shelf's are melting,
the
hole in the ozone layer is getting larger, ocean and air currents are
changing radically which is leading us into a violent storm cycle, as
evidence look at the destruction Katrina has done. There are many other
things occurring, and there is plenty of expectation that they will all
get
much, much worse before they get better.

The disingenuous amongst us, looking for an easy scapegoat, place the
blame
on human action. This is silly. We are just not that powerful to be able
to
affect our planet significantly, and we haven't done anything to the sun!
For once, humans need to place the 'blame' elsewhere. The truth is at
once
more scary, and revelatory of just how powerless we all really are
(despite
wishes or intentions).

In 1993, there occurred an event on Earth that gives a clue to what is
happening to our star. Evaluation of the seismic record for 1993 shows
that
the Earth was impacted by 2 dense bundles of quark matter - dubbed
'strangelets'. Although these objects were microscopic in size, quark
matter
can have a density of more than a million times that of ordinary matter.
Lucky for us, these quark matter pebbles were moving upwards of a million
miles per hour, and the earth wasn't dense or big enough to stop them.
They
sailed right on through. We were left only with a subterranean rumbling
recorded on NORAD'S earthquake detectors to show they had hit us.
However,
the fact that we hit 2 of these things within months of each other
indicates
that the solar system must have passed through a swarm of these objects
in
1993. Harmless to the planets because they are just too tiny to stop
them,
they would have caused no damage even if there were hundreds of strikes
on
each of the 9 planets and many many, moons of our solar system. But, what
about the sun? Being thousands of times larger than even Jupiter, and
having
a high density of gasses and large gravitational field, even a strangelet
moving a million miles an hour would not be going fast enough to escape.
During that fateful year, our Sun must have absorbed many hundreds of
these
strangelets, most of which were trapped in the star and are now presently
orbiting the center of mass *inside* the star and absorbing any matter
they
come into contact with. Most of the energy generated by the destruction
of
the sun's mass is released inside the star, heating it up and
destabilizing
it. Some of the energy is being absorbed by the strangelets and making
them
bigger, and more dangerous.

The process can not be stopped, and its ultimate end will result in the
premature explosion of our star. How long do we have? Years? Decades? Who
knows. If it is any consolation, we will not be around to see that actual
explosion - the earth will have long since been rendered dead and
lifeless.
Our National and world leaders are in full knowledge of this sequence of
events. This is the main reason why we are committing national / global
suicide by racking up a planetary national debt of trillions of dollars,
which even a child knows can never be paid off. It is obvious from their
profligate ways that our national leaders have adopted the philosophy,
"Let
the party never end!" According to most economic analysts, the party
should
be ending by the end of the decade. The Mayans told us the party is going
to
end in 2012.

Well, at least now we know how a star as small as ours can go supernova,
or
at least something very close to it...

Greysky

www.allocations.cc
Learn how to build a FTL radio.


1. There may be other explanations for the observed 1993 earth quakes.
You are
assuming that Strangelets are the cause on insufficent evidence.


What evidence do you need?


More evidence than just your speculation.

The head of NASA telling you they are really
using SOHO to monitor the increasing solar instability so they can provide
the Administration with a more accurate estimate of when we will get cooked?
Wont happen. Besides, for direct evidence, you would need to observe similar
quakes for the same time priod happening on the other planets, and we can't
do that. As for the sun, a massive strangelet falling into the star will
simply not generate much evidence unless it were the mass of a small planet,
in which case we wouldn't still be here. Sometimes, all the evidence you
have is all you'll ever get...

2. It is only a hypothesis that strangelets can exist outside of
the quark stars which created them. There has been no independent
verification that strangelets exist.


I have no doubt our hypothesis are not totally correct. Things are usually
worse than they at first appear.


Yet the existance of stranelets outside of a quark star is key to your
arguement. This is highly speculative.


3. People have argued against the Relativistic Heavy Ion Collider
because they
say that it could produce strangelets. If that were true,
strangelets
should be produced by cosmic rays. Since the planet is still here
it seems
unlikely that strangelets have a harmful effect.


You are comparing apples with oranges. Locally grown strangelets may be
impossible to create at the low energy levels we can muster. This has
absolutly nothing to do with strange matter created in a supernova, or when
black holes collide. If the solar system encountered one of these swarms in
1993, it is just bad luck for us.
See: http://focus.aps.org/story/v16/st Though it isn't stated directly in
the article, it does indicate that strangelets are 500% - 1000% easier to
create than had been previously assumed. I suspect the picture will worsen
as we learn more...

4. Robert Jaffe, director of the Center for Theoretical Physics at MIT
has
argued that the most likely scenario is that a strangelet
would have a small positive charge. Strangelets only become
dangerous if
the strangelet nuclei carries a negative charge. A negatively
charged
strangelet would then attract ordinary nuclei and consume them.


No one knows with certainty what effect a positive or neutral strangelet
will have on normal matter.


Yet you seem to know. You say (not prove I point out) that the effects
are all bad.

Come on. NASA isn't the NRO. Anything really big would be on the
cover of the New York Times. Do you think that the times would respond
to a request from this whitehouse to sqaush a news story?

Especially a large amount of it regularly
passing through the solar core. A large enough piece of positivly charged
quark matter will be able to generate all manner of strange virtual
particles which will interact in the solar environment again leading to much
instability.


Interact how, exactly? Based on what science?




5. You have supplied no economic analysis to support your conclusions
about the
overall health of the world economy.


Call up Milton Friedman and ask him how much debt the American economy is
accumulating. This is the easiest data to independently corroborate.
Economies are not isolated. They are linked together in a web of debt the
world over. Just look at what governments do and not listen to what they
say.


You still haven't supplied analysis to backup your statement that,
"This is the main reason why we are committing national / global
suicide by racking up a planetary national debt of trillions of
dollars, which even a child knows can never be paid off."

Debt is fine as long as there is growth. The economy is not a zero sum
game. Wealth is created by hard work and ingenuity. Wealth is not a
fixed size pie where your slice is at the expense of my slice.



Bottom-line: take a chill pill.


I suspect there will be many people taking chill pills once they realize the
truth of the bleak world situation we are facing and how completely
powerless we are to stop it.


Well, good luck with that.


Greysky

www.allocations.cc
Learn how to build a FTL radio.


  #7  
Old September 19th 05 posted to alt.astronomy,sci.physics
Greysky
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Posts: 168
Default This is the Real Reason the Sun is going c-crazy.


"Mike" wrote in message
oups.com...
Greysky wrote:
"Mike" wrote in message
oups.com...

Greysky wrote:
During the last 10 or so years, the sun has been getting increasingly
out
of
control. Ten years ago, the sun was a placid star, so tame that we
could
teach the 11 year regularity of the sunspot cycle to grade school
kids -
as
if we were describing the regular stomach growlings of a puppy and not
a
raging thermonuclear reactor! Unfortunately for us here on earth, when
the
sun gets weird, we will feel its effects because of the many
ecological
and
climatological systems that are in delicate balance and utterly
reliant
on a
stable source of energy. Inside the last 10 years we have experienced
the
beginnings of radical climate disruption - the ice shelf's are
melting,
the
hole in the ozone layer is getting larger, ocean and air currents are
changing radically which is leading us into a violent storm cycle, as
evidence look at the destruction Katrina has done. There are many
other
things occurring, and there is plenty of expectation that they will
all
get
much, much worse before they get better.

The disingenuous amongst us, looking for an easy scapegoat, place the
blame
on human action. This is silly. We are just not that powerful to be
able
to
affect our planet significantly, and we haven't done anything to the
sun!
For once, humans need to place the 'blame' elsewhere. The truth is at
once
more scary, and revelatory of just how powerless we all really are
(despite
wishes or intentions).

In 1993, there occurred an event on Earth that gives a clue to what is
happening to our star. Evaluation of the seismic record for 1993
shows
that
the Earth was impacted by 2 dense bundles of quark matter - dubbed
'strangelets'. Although these objects were microscopic in size, quark
matter
can have a density of more than a million times that of ordinary
matter.
Lucky for us, these quark matter pebbles were moving upwards of a
million
miles per hour, and the earth wasn't dense or big enough to stop them.
They
sailed right on through. We were left only with a subterranean
rumbling
recorded on NORAD'S earthquake detectors to show they had hit us.
However,
the fact that we hit 2 of these things within months of each other
indicates
that the solar system must have passed through a swarm of these
objects
in
1993. Harmless to the planets because they are just too tiny to stop
them,
they would have caused no damage even if there were hundreds of
strikes
on
each of the 9 planets and many many, moons of our solar system. But,
what
about the sun? Being thousands of times larger than even Jupiter, and
having
a high density of gasses and large gravitational field, even a
strangelet
moving a million miles an hour would not be going fast enough to
escape.
During that fateful year, our Sun must have absorbed many hundreds of
these
strangelets, most of which were trapped in the star and are now
presently
orbiting the center of mass *inside* the star and absorbing any matter
they
come into contact with. Most of the energy generated by the
destruction
of
the sun's mass is released inside the star, heating it up and
destabilizing
it. Some of the energy is being absorbed by the strangelets and making
them
bigger, and more dangerous.

The process can not be stopped, and its ultimate end will result in
the
premature explosion of our star. How long do we have? Years? Decades?
Who
knows. If it is any consolation, we will not be around to see that
actual
explosion - the earth will have long since been rendered dead and
lifeless.
Our National and world leaders are in full knowledge of this sequence
of
events. This is the main reason why we are committing national /
global
suicide by racking up a planetary national debt of trillions of
dollars,
which even a child knows can never be paid off. It is obvious from
their
profligate ways that our national leaders have adopted the philosophy,
"Let
the party never end!" According to most economic analysts, the party
should
be ending by the end of the decade. The Mayans told us the party is
going
to
end in 2012.

Well, at least now we know how a star as small as ours can go
supernova,
or
at least something very close to it...

Greysky

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1. There may be other explanations for the observed 1993 earth quakes.
You are
assuming that Strangelets are the cause on insufficent evidence.


What evidence do you need?


More evidence than just your speculation.


This is physical evidence you will never see now unless you work on the
science teams bound to report to Washington. When you see the evidence it
will be when the sun blows up, and then you can see it along with everyone
else as it happens.


The head of NASA telling you they are really
using SOHO to monitor the increasing solar instability so they can
provide
the Administration with a more accurate estimate of when we will get
cooked?
Wont happen. Besides, for direct evidence, you would need to observe
similar
quakes for the same time priod happening on the other planets, and we
can't
do that. As for the sun, a massive strangelet falling into the star will
simply not generate much evidence unless it were the mass of a small
planet,
in which case we wouldn't still be here. Sometimes, all the evidence you
have is all you'll ever get...

2. It is only a hypothesis that strangelets can exist outside of
the quark stars which created them. There has been no independent
verification that strangelets exist.


I have no doubt our hypothesis are not totally correct. Things are
usually
worse than they at first appear.


Yet the existance of stranelets outside of a quark star is key to your
arguement. This is highly speculative.


3. People have argued against the Relativistic Heavy Ion Collider
because they
say that it could produce strangelets. If that were true,
strangelets
should be produced by cosmic rays. Since the planet is still here
it seems
unlikely that strangelets have a harmful effect.


You are comparing apples with oranges. Locally grown strangelets may be
impossible to create at the low energy levels we can muster. This has
absolutly nothing to do with strange matter created in a supernova, or
when
black holes collide. If the solar system encountered one of these swarms
in
1993, it is just bad luck for us.
See: http://focus.aps.org/story/v16/st Though it isn't stated directly
in
the article, it does indicate that strangelets are 500% - 1000% easier to
create than had been previously assumed. I suspect the picture will
worsen
as we learn more...

4. Robert Jaffe, director of the Center for Theoretical Physics at MIT
has
argued that the most likely scenario is that a strangelet
would have a small positive charge. Strangelets only become
dangerous if
the strangelet nuclei carries a negative charge. A negatively
charged
strangelet would then attract ordinary nuclei and consume them.


No one knows with certainty what effect a positive or neutral strangelet
will have on normal matter.


Yet you seem to know. You say (not prove I point out) that the effects
are all bad.


Do you think having some strangelets around is a good thing? You prefer to
believe hypotheses expounded by Robert Jaffe, who is also just speculating
about the effects of strangelets because it is more comforting to your world
view. Yet I don't think even Robert Jaffe would want to create a positive
strangelet and release it into the earth just to see what will happen.


Come on. NASA isn't the NRO. Anything really big would be on the
cover of the New York Times. Do you think that the times would respond
to a request from this whitehouse to sqaush a news story?


Consider that I just now broke the story. The Times will never print this
story. The proof they (and you ) need is only going to come when we look to
the sun and see it erupting -- oh wait, the sun just last week popped off
one of the largest x-ray flares ever observed in recorded history. And this
during a solar minimum... it seems each event in the last few years is being
called "The largest ever seen..." until the next event manifests. Either it
is 'The largest Flare," or "The largest CME," or somesuch. Something is
stirring the Solar pot, and it aint Betty Crocker.


Especially a large amount of it regularly
passing through the solar core. A large enough piece of positivly charged
quark matter will be able to generate all manner of strange virtual
particles which will interact in the solar environment again leading to
much
instability.


Interact how, exactly? Based on what science?




5. You have supplied no economic analysis to support your conclusions
about the
overall health of the world economy.


Call up Milton Friedman and ask him how much debt the American economy is
accumulating. This is the easiest data to independently corroborate.
Economies are not isolated. They are linked together in a web of debt the
world over. Just look at what governments do and not listen to what they
say.


You still haven't supplied analysis to backup your statement that,
"This is the main reason why we are committing national / global
suicide by racking up a planetary national debt of trillions of
dollars, which even a child knows can never be paid off."

Debt is fine as long as there is growth. The economy is not a zero sum
game. Wealth is created by hard work and ingenuity. Wealth is not a
fixed size pie where your slice is at the expense of my slice.


When the creation of money without productive wealth being produced to back
it up occures, it is called inflation. This is exactly what is happening so
governments can use the banknotes they produce to purchase real goods, then
the economy adjusts to the fresh injection of curency by manifesting higher
prices for goods we buy with depreciated dollars. Then the cycle begins all
over again. Eventually it ends with either a recession, or a depression. No
debt is good. If real wealth increased along with the money supply, there
would be no debt, and the economy would be stable - this is not what is
happening. I can't believe you do not understand this. Are you sure you are
from this planet?? Maybe it works differently where you come from... At any
rate, most governments have come to the conclusion they will not have to pay
off the debt because the world going to cook soon.





Bottom-line: take a chill pill.


I suspect there will be many people taking chill pills once they realize
the
truth of the bleak world situation we are facing and how completely
powerless we are to stop it.


Well, good luck with that.


Yep.



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