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Huge solar power station planned for California, using Stirling engine.



 
 
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Old September 8th 05 posted to sci.physics
Jan Panteltje
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Default Huge solar power station planned for California, using Stirling engine.

http://www.stirlingenergy.com/news.asp?Type=stirling
Will this work? Still waiting for the car with Stirling engine...


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Default Huge solar power station planned for California, using Stirlingengine.

Jan Panteltje wrote:

http://www.stirlingenergy.com/news.asp?Type=stirling
Will this work?

[snip]

Is it subsidized? It will work until government and investor money
ceases to flow, always promising a profit in an immediate future that
never arrives.

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Default Huge solar power station planned for California, using Stirling engine.

Is it subsidized? It will work until government and investor money
ceases to flow, always promising a profit in an immediate future that
never arrives.

*****************

How unbelievably cynical!

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Old September 8th 05 posted to sci.physics
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Default Huge solar power station planned for California, using Stirling engine.

On 8 Sep 2005 09:52:30 -0700, wrote:

Is it subsidized? It will work until government and investor money
ceases to flow, always promising a profit in an immediate future that
never arrives.

*****************

How unbelievably cynical!



Not so! I believe it.
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Old September 9th 05 posted to sci.physics
Jan Panteltje
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Default Huge solar power station planned for California, using Stirling engine.

On a sunny day (Thu, 08 Sep 2005 15:47:58 -0400) it happened Guy Gordon
wrote in
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Jan Panteltje wrote:

http://www.stirlingenergy.com/news.asp?Type=stirling
Will this work? Still waiting for the car with Stirling engine...

Well, don't hold your breath waiting for the car.
But Stirling cycle engines are ideal for solar to electric power.

Some months ago I read a long article on this subject in EE Times.
(you can probably find it at http://eetimes.com, but I read it in print.)

I found:
http://eetimes.com/news/latest/showA...cleID=53700939

They claim 30% (overall efficiency).
And 10 to 16% overall for solar cells.
Solar cells will keep getting better I am sure.... and have little downtime
no moving parts... efficiency of solid state converters could be very good..
So we will wait and see.
For sure with these ridiculous fuel prices solar power and water power
(and nuclear of cause) are becoming a must if we want to live the way we live
now.
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Old September 9th 05 posted to sci.physics
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Default Huge solar power station planned for California, using Stirling engine.

Jan Panteltje,
Place solar-stirling, secondary/recoil PV and that of a substantial
wind turbine onto one tower, as having their mutual foundation as
footprint and lo and behold, the average available energy per footprint
can exceed 20 kw/m2. Is that good or what?
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Old September 9th 05 posted to sci.physics
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Default Huge solar power station planned for California, using Stirling engine.

Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Thu, 08 Sep 2005 15:47:58 -0400) it happened Guy Gordon
wrote in
:

Jan Panteltje wrote:

http://www.stirlingenergy.com/news.asp?Type=stirling
Will this work? Still waiting for the car with Stirling engine...

Well, don't hold your breath waiting for the car.
But Stirling cycle engines are ideal for solar to electric power.

Some months ago I read a long article on this subject in EE Times.
(you can probably find it at http://eetimes.com, but I read it in print.)

I found:
http://eetimes.com/news/latest/showA...cleID=53700939

They claim 30% (overall efficiency).
And 10 to 16% overall for solar cells.
Solar cells will keep getting better I am sure.... and have little downtime
no moving parts... efficiency of solid state converters could be very good..
So we will wait and see.
For sure with these ridiculous fuel prices solar power and water power
(and nuclear of cause) are becoming a must if we want to live the way we live
now.


Boeing has been looking into generating electricity using solar heat.
See

http://www.boeing.com/assocproducts/...owertower.html

and especially

http://www.boeing.com/assocproducts/...lar2_final.pdf

--Mike Jr.

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Old September 9th 05 posted to sci.physics
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Default Huge solar power station planned for California, using Stirling engine.

Good for them!!
it must work
we have no much other choices.

ATB
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Old September 9th 05 posted to sci.physics
Jan Panteltje
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Default Huge solar power station planned for California, using Stirling engine.

On a sunny day (8 Sep 2005 17:51:04 -0700) it happened "Mike"
wrote in
.com:

Boeing has been looking into generating electricity using solar heat.
See

http://www.boeing.com/assocproducts/...owertower.html

and especially

http://www.boeing.com/assocproducts/...lar2_final.pdf


quote from http://www.boeing.com/assocproducts/energy/articles/tower.html
A conventional 200-MWe coal power plant with a 63 percent capacity factor
yields a levelized energy cost of about 6¢/kw-hr, but an effective cost,
considering harmful emissions, of 11¢/kw-hr. In comparison, a 200-MWe solar
power tower plant with a 63 percent capacity factor is projected to yield a
levelized energy cost of about 8¢/kw-hr, but an effective cost of about
6¢/kw-hr when credit for pollution-free operation is factored in.
/quote

I have also looked at part of the mpeg movie from solar 1
Big project :-)



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Old September 9th 05 posted to sci.physics
Jan Panteltje
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Default Huge solar power station planned for California, using Stirling engine.

On a sunny day (8 Sep 2005 15:14:23 -0700) it happened "Brad Guth"
wrote in
.com:

Jan Panteltje,
Place solar-stirling, secondary/recoil PV and that of a substantial
wind turbine onto one tower, as having their mutual foundation as
footprint and lo and behold, the average available energy per footprint
can exceed 20 kw/m2. Is that good or what?


When you design it, do not forget a little chair all the way at the top
for you to sit in.
 




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