US doctoral degrees in the decline, worried about Indians taking over

PTI
Saturday, August 20, 2005

Washington - The number of Americans earning doctoral
degrees has declined in recent years, "renewing worries"
that the US is losing its dominance in PHD-level
education to rapidly developing nations such as India and
China, according to a media report.

The US in 1970 produced more than half of the world's
doctorates, but if current patterns continue, the country
will be lucky to produce just 15 per cent of the world's
doctorates by 2010, Scripps Howard news service reported.

It said the trend "renews worries" that the US was losing
its dominance in PHD-level education to countries like
India, China.

"We don't know exactly why this is happening. But we do
know that there are financial issues involved, including
the increased debt burden that American students are
facing," said Debra Stewart, president of the Washington-
based council of graduate schools.

The median amount of debt incurred by students seeking
doctoral degrees has increased from USD 1,500 in 1992 to
USD 44,743 in 2003, a more rapid increase than for any
other category of college student.

"These debt levels," said Jacqueline King, director of
the American Council on Education's Centre for policy
analysis, "are likely to prove burdensome to many recent
doctorate earners and may dissuade some from pursuing
careers in academics."

American scholars may also be discouraged by the
increasingly uncertain job market for recipients of
doctorates.

The National Centre for Education statistics recently
reported that 44,160 doctorates were awarded by US
universities in 2002, down from the highwater mark of
46,010 doctorates awarded in 1998.

"The numbers I have seen from the National science
foundation," said education researcher Heath Brown,
"shows a trajectory that Asia will, in a very short time,
produce more PHDs than the United States. India has
pledged to have a six-fold increase in the number of
advanced degrees it awards."

The census bureau reported that the number of Americans
who obtained a bachelor's degree increased from 32
million in 1990 or 20 per cent of the population then, to
more than 44 million in 2000 -- 24 per cent of the
population. Master's and professional degrees also have
increased significantly.

It is the number seeking doctoral degrees that are down.

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Dr. Jai Maharaj wrote:
US doctoral degrees in the decline, worried about Indians taking over

PTI
Saturday, August 20, 2005

Washington - The number of Americans earning doctoral
degrees has declined in recent years, "renewing worries"
that the US is losing its dominance in PHD-level
education to rapidly developing nations such as India and
China, according to a media report.

The US in 1970 produced more than half of the world's
doctorates, but if current patterns continue, the country
will be lucky to produce just 15 per cent of the world's
doctorates by 2010, Scripps Howard news service reported.

It said the trend "renews worries" that the US was losing
its dominance in PHD-level education to countries like
India, China.

"We don't know exactly why this is happening. But we do
know that there are financial issues involved, including
the increased debt burden that American students are
facing," said Debra Stewart, president of the Washington-
based council of graduate schools.

In a country where mathematics requirements have been watered down for
high school graduation, and mathematicians (and scientists) looked
"down on" as "nerds", the president of an organization doesn't know why
US students aren't going to graduate school? It ain't all financial,
Debbie. (Granted, a high school diploma is worth about as much as a
sheet of toilet paper, which forces people to go to college and rack up
debts courtesy of credit card companies ...)

--- Christopher Heckman

In article . com,
"Proginoskes" posted:

Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:

US doctoral degrees in the decline, worried about Indians taking over

PTI
Saturday, August 20, 2005

Washington - The number of Americans earning doctoral
degrees has declined in recent years, "renewing worries"
that the US is losing its dominance in PHD-level
education to rapidly developing nations such as India and
China, according to a media report.

The US in 1970 produced more than half of the world's
doctorates, but if current patterns continue, the country
will be lucky to produce just 15 per cent of the world's
doctorates by 2010, Scripps Howard news service reported.

It said the trend "renews worries" that the US was losing
its dominance in PHD-level education to countries like
India, China.

"We don't know exactly why this is happening. But we do
know that there are financial issues involved, including
the increased debt burden that American students are
facing," said Debra Stewart, president of the Washington-
based council of graduate schools.

In a country where mathematics requirements have been watered down for
high school graduation, and mathematicians (and scientists) looked
"down on" as "nerds", the president of an organization doesn't know why
US students aren't going to graduate school? It ain't all financial,
Debbie. (Granted, a high school diploma is worth about as much as a
sheet of toilet paper, which forces people to go to college and rack up
debts courtesy of credit card companies ...)
--- Christopher Heckman

Heh.

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Om Shanti

Proginoskes wrote:
Dr. Jai Maharaj wrote:
US doctoral degrees in the decline, worried about Indians taking over

PTI
Saturday, August 20, 2005

Washington - The number of Americans earning doctoral
degrees has declined in recent years, "renewing worries"
that the US is losing its dominance in PHD-level
education to rapidly developing nations such as India and
China, according to a media report.

The US in 1970 produced more than half of the world's
doctorates, but if current patterns continue, the country
will be lucky to produce just 15 per cent of the world's
doctorates by 2010, Scripps Howard news service reported.

It said the trend "renews worries" that the US was losing
its dominance in PHD-level education to countries like
India, China.

"We don't know exactly why this is happening. But we do
know that there are financial issues involved, including
the increased debt burden that American students are
facing," said Debra Stewart, president of the Washington-
based council of graduate schools.

In a country where mathematics requirements have been watered down for
high school graduation, and mathematicians (and scientists) looked
"down on" as "nerds", the president of an organization doesn't know why
US students aren't going to graduate school? It ain't all financial,
Debbie. (Granted, a high school diploma is worth about as much as a
sheet of toilet paper, which forces people to go to college and rack up
debts courtesy of credit card companies ...)

--- Christopher Heckman

That's part of it. A country where biologist teachers are forced to
introduce religious doctrine is not going to produce many scientists.
But how many people with PhDs are driving cabs? That's the real
reason. Why lament the paucity of PhDs when the ones you have cannot
find decent employment. Many of the best are wall street quants, where
they retire after ten exhausting years as multi-millionaires. A friend
of my daughters, a very talented lab scientist, got a PhD in biochem
and is now working as a financial advisor because she could never get a
decent job as a biochemist.

It is well and truly said that you cannot push on a noodle. Without
demand, there will never be more PhDs. Anyone who asks me if they
should get a PhD in math, I ask them if they are crazy. If they are
crazy, that is totally obsessed with math, then maybe so. It is not an
entirely rhetorical question. All those other things, disdain for
nerds, lack of respect,..., are a consequence of the fundamental fact
that there is no demand.

When I got my PhD in 1962 there were about 250 PhDs in math a year.
But there was a large demand. Within just a couple years, the number
was pushing, then exceeding 1000/year and suddenly the demand was
filled and there were few jobs by, say, 1968 or 1969 and it has
remained that way since.

Dr. Jai Maharaj wrote:
US doctoral degrees in the decline, worried about Indians taking over

PTI
Saturday, August 20, 2005

Washington - The number of Americans earning doctoral
degrees has declined in recent years, "renewing worries"
that the US is losing its dominance in PHD-level
education to rapidly developing nations such as India and
China, according to a media report.

[snip]

Holy cow!

Mike

"Mike" wrote in message
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|
| Dr. Jai Maharaj wrote:
| US doctoral degrees in the decline, worried about Indians taking
over
|
| PTI
| Saturday, August 20, 2005
|
| Washington - The number of Americans earning doctoral
| degrees has declined in recent years, "renewing worries"
| that the US is losing its dominance in PHD-level
| education to rapidly developing nations such as India and
| China, according to a media report.
|
| [snip]
|
| Holy cow!
|
| Mike

LOL!
I have to wonder how many phuckwits can appreciate your humour, Mike.

The first sacred cow produced milk to feed the children, then they grew
up
and having no more prefence for milk, ate it. Their children then
starved
and the village elder, wisest of all, declared all cows off limits as
holy.

The Jews can't eat pork because a few died with belly ache from
salmonella
poisoning, lacking refrigerators, so pig is declared unholy.

Unless everyday common sense is written down as holy scripture, the
dumb phuckwits will try anything.

Androcles.

wrote :

"Anyone who asks me if they
should get a PhD in math, I ask them if they are crazy. If they are
crazy, that is totally obsessed with math, then maybe so. It is not an

entirely rhetorical question. All those other things, disdain for
nerds, lack of respect,..., are a consequence of the fundamental fact
that there is no demand.


When I got my PhD in 1962 there were about 250 PhDs in math a year.
But there was a large demand. Within just a couple years, the number
was pushing, then exceeding 1000/year and suddenly the demand was
filled and there were few jobs by, say, 1968 or 1969 and it has
remained that way since. "

....except that there will be a huge set of retirements nationwide in
the next few years.

It is not clear what the response from college administrators will be.
We have had far fewer qualified applicants in recent years, partly
because a Ph.D. in Math starts at about 40% of a Ph.D. in Finance or
Accounting. Go figure.

Tim Norfolk wrote:
|...except that there will be a huge set of retirements nationwide in
|the next few years.

That's what they told us in the late 1980s, before the
big "glut" of mathematicians of the early 1990s.

|It is not clear what the response from college administrators will be.

"How can we save money on non-administrative university
operations?"

Followup to sci.math

Keith Ramsay

In article ,
"Androcles" Androcles@ MyPlace.org posted:

"Mike" wrote in message
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|
| Dr. Jai Maharaj posted
| US doctoral degrees in the decline, worried about Indians taking over
|
| PTI
| Saturday, August 20, 2005
|
| Washington - The number of Americans earning doctoral
| degrees has declined in recent years, "renewing worries"
| that the US is losing its dominance in PHD-level
| education to rapidly developing nations such as India and
| China, according to a media report.
|
| [snip]
|
| Holy cow!
|
| Mike

LOL!
I have to wonder how many phuckwits can appreciate your humour, Mike.

The first sacred cow produced milk to feed the children, then they grew
up
and having no more prefence for milk, ate it. Their children then
starved
and the village elder, wisest of all, declared all cows off limits as
holy.

The Jews can't eat pork because a few died with belly ache from
salmonella
poisoning, lacking refrigerators, so pig is declared unholy.

Unless everyday common sense is written down as holy scripture, the
dumb phuckwits will try anything.

Androcles.

WHY HINDUS DON'T EAT MEAT

Besides being an expression of compassion
for animals, vegetarianism is followed for
ecological and health rationales

REASONS

In the past fifty years, millions of meat-eaters --
Hindus and non-Hindus -- have made the personal decision
to stop eating the flesh of other creatures. There are
five major motivations for such a decision:

1. The Dharmic Law Reason

Ahinsa, the law of noninjury, is the Hindu's first
duty in fulfilling religious obligations to God and God's
creation as defined by Vedic scripture.

2. The Karmic Consequences Reason

All of our actions, including our choice of food,
have Karmic consequences. By involving oneself in the
cycle of inflicting injury, pain and death, even
indirectly by eating other creatures, one must in the
future experience in equal measure the suffering caused.

3. The Spiritual Reason

Food is the source of the body's chemistry, and what
we ingest affects our consciousnes, emotions and
experiential patterns. If one wants to live in higher
consciousness, in peace and happiness and love for all
creatures, then he cannot eat meat, fish, shellfish, fowl
or eggs. By ingesting the grosser chemistries of animal
foods, one introduces into the body and mind anger,
jealousy, anxiety, suspicion and a terrible fear of
death, all of which are locked into the the flesh of the
butchered creatures. For these reasons, vegetarians live
in higher consciousness and meat-eaters abide in lower
consciousness.

4. The Health Reason

Medical studies prove that a vegetarian diet is
easier to digest, provides a wider ranger of nutrients
and imposes fewer burdens and impurities on the body.
Vegetarians are less susceptible to all the major
diseases that afflict contemporary humanity, and thus
live longer, healthier, more productive lives. They have
fewer physical complaints, less frequent visits to the
doctor, fewer dental problems and smaller medical bills.
Their immune system is stronger, their bodies are purer,
more refined and skin more beautiful.

5. The Ecological Reason

Planet Earth is suffereing. In large measure, the
escalating loss of species, destruction of ancient
rainforests to create pasture lands for live stock, loss
of topsoils and the consequent increase of water
impurities and air pollution have all been traced to the
single fact of meat in the human diet. No decision that
we can make as individuals or as a race can have such a
dramatic effect on the improvement of our planetary
ecology as the decision not to eat meat.

HISTORY

The book FOOD FOR THE SPIRIT, VEGETARIANISM AND THE WORLD
RELIGIONS, observes, "Despite popular knowledge of meat-
eating's adverse effects, the nonvegetarian diet became
increasingly widespread among the Hindus after the two
major invasions by foreign powers, first the Muslims and
later the British. With them came the desire to be
'civilized,' to eat as did the Saheeb. Those atually
trained in Vedic knowledge, however, never adopted a
meat-oriented diet, and the pious Hindu still observes
vegetarian principles as a matter of religious duty.

"That vegetarianism has always been widespread in
India is clear from the earliest Vedic texts. This was
observed by the ancient traveler Megasthenes and also by
Fa-Hsien, a Chinese Buddhist monk who, in the fifth
century, traveled to India in order to obtain authentic
copies of the scriptures.

"These scriptures unambiguously support the meatless
way of life. In the MAHABHARAT, for instance, the great
warrior Bheeshm explains to Yuddhishtira, eldest of the
Paandav princes, that the meat of animals is like the
flesh of one's own son. Similarly, the MANUSMRITI
declares that one should 'refrain from eating all kinds
of meat,' for such eating involves killing and and leads
to Karmic bondage (Bandh) [5.49]. Elsewhere in the Vedic
literature, the last of the great Vedic kings, Maharaja
Parik****, is quoted as saying that 'only the animal-
killer cannot relish the message of the Absolute Truth
[Shrimad Bhagvatam 10.1.4].'"

SCRIPTURE

He who desires to augment his own flesh by eating
the flesh of other creatures lives in misery in whatever
species he may take his birth.
MAHABHARAT 115.47

Those high-souled persons who desire beauty,
faultlessness of limbs, long life, understanding, mental
and physical strength and memory should abstain from acts
of injury. MAHABHARAT 18.115.8

The very name of cow is Aghnya ["not to be killed"],
indicating that they should never be slaughtered. Who,
then could slay them? Surely, one who kills a cow or a
bull commits a heinous crime. MAHABHARAT, SHANTIPARV
262.47

The purchaser of flesh performs Hinsa (violence) by
his wealth; he who eats flesh does so by enjoying its
taste; the killer does Hinsa by actually tying and
killing the animal. Thus, there are three forms of
killing: he who brings flesh or sends for it, he who cuts
off the limbs of an animal, and he who purchases, sells
or cooks flesh and eats it -- all of these are to be
considered meat-eaters. MAHABHARAT, ANU 115.40

He who sees that the Lord of all is ever the same
in all that is -- immortal in the field of mortality --
he sees the truth. And when a man sees that the God in
himself is the same God in all that is, he hurts not
himself by hurting others. Then he goes, indeed, to the
highest path. BHAGVAD GEETA 13.27-28

Ahinsa is the highest Dharm. Ahinsa is the best
Tapas. Ahinsa is the greatest gift. Ahinsa is the
highest self-control. Ahinsa is the highest sacrifice.
Ahinsa is the highest power. Ahinsa is the highest
friend. Ahinsa is the highest truth. Ahinsa is the
highest teaching. MAHABHARAT 18.116.37-41

What is the good way? It is the path that reflects
on how it may avoid killing any creature. TIRUKURAL 324

All that lives will press palms together in
prayerful adoration of those who refuse to slaughter and
savor meat. TIRUKURAL 260

What is virtuous conduct? It is never destroting
life, for killing leads to every other sin. TIRUKURAL
312, 321

Goodness is never one with the minds of these two:
one who wields a weapon and one who feasts on a
creature's flesh. TIRUKURAL 253

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Reserved. The information contained in this news report
may not be republished in any form without the prior
written authority of Himalayan Academy.
This is an authorized reproduction.

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