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A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE OBEYING CONSERVTION OF ENERGY



 
 
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Old August 30th 03 posted to sci.physics
PK
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I know that this looks a bit akward but I believe it is worth
thinking.And yes i am new here so please dont bombard me with sharp
critics.
The fact is long proved (by hundreds of failures) that it is not
possible to design any perpetual motion machine since the concept
disobeys law of conservation of energy.However, this one needs a
consideration since it probably does not violate the law of
conservation of energy. Let us assume two magnets one placed on earth
and the other brought closer to it till the former clings to it.During
this process the potential energy of the magnet placed on earth has
increased. No magnetic opposition was offered to the second magnet
while it was brought closer to the first one hence we spend no energy.
To explain this increase in energy of the 1st magnet we assume that
the energy spent in separating the two magnets is stored in the form
of potential energy in the magnets.But suppose if the two magnets were
at contact with each other at time t--0 (Ofcourse time is relative)
then are we tapping the energy released during the big bang.Much like
the way an asteroid entering the earth has high gravitational P.E.
although work was never done in lifting it above the surface of the
earth.If true then a device tapping this energy can be do work without
actively consumming any energy which our normal devices use like
heat,electricity etc.The significance is to show that what we believe
is never possible is possible.
Regards
PK(INDIA)
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Old August 30th 03 posted to sci.physics
Sam Wormley
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Default A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE OBEYING CONSERVTION OF ENERGY

PK wrote:

I know that this looks a bit akward....


Second Law of Thermodynamics
http://scienceworld.wolfram.com/phys...odynamics.html
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Old August 30th 03 posted to sci.physics
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PK wrote:

I know that this looks a bit akward but I believe it is worth
thinking.And yes i am new here so please dont bombard me with sharp
critics.


If you talk the talk then you walk the walk. Bull**** meter is
uncrated.

The fact is long proved (by hundreds of failures) that it is not
possible to design any perpetual motion machine since the concept
disobeys law of conservation of energy.


Nothing in science is "proven." Models are only disproven. All ya
gotta do is make just one and the model is falsified. Since local
conservation of mass-energy arises from the homogeneity of translation
in time via Noether's theorem, Uncle Al's money is on the model.

If you make a machine a few lightyears in extent, General Relativity
has no global conservation laws. OTOH, how will you know that you
violated conservation of mass-energy? GR has a lot to say about
communication, too - and it nicely muddles all the disparate
footnotes.

However, this one needs a
consideration since it probably does not violate the law of
conservation of energy.


Bull**** meter's big banana plug is shoved into place. No Stabilant
22 was smeared on it prior to insertion.

Let us assume two magnets one placed on earth
and the other brought closer to it till the former clings to it.During
this process the potential energy of the magnet placed on earth has
increased. No magnetic opposition was offered to the second magnet
while it was brought closer to the first one hence we spend no energy.
To explain this increase in energy of the 1st magnet we assume that
the energy spent in separating the two magnets is stored in the form
of potential energy in the magnets.But suppose if the two magnets were
at contact with each other at time t--0 (Ofcourse time is relative)
then are we tapping the energy released during the big bang.


To Hell with the bull**** meter,

http://w0rli.home.att.net/youare.swf
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/sunshine.jpg

[snip]

A perpetual motion machine must at the minimum contain magnets,
strobes, cryogen fog, a high temp supercon, and a manual transmission
from a 1976 Honda. Next time brainfart about the Casimir effect.

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Old August 30th 03 posted to sci.physics
Geeman
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(PK) wrote in message . com...
The fact is long proved (by hundreds of failures) that it is not
possible to design any perpetual motion machine since the concept
disobeys law of conservation of energy.However, this one needs a
consideration since it probably does not violate the law of
conservation of energy. Let us assume two magnets one placed on earth
and the other brought closer to it till the former clings to it.During
this process the potential energy of the magnet placed on earth has
increased. No magnetic opposition was offered to the second magnet
while it was brought closer to the first one hence we spend no energy.
To explain this increase in energy of the 1st magnet we assume that
the energy spent in separating the two magnets is stored in the form
of potential energy in the magnets.But suppose if the two magnets were
at contact with each other at time t--0 (Ofcourse time is relative)
then are we tapping the energy released during the big bang.Much like
the way an asteroid entering the earth has high gravitational P.E.
although work was never done in lifting it above the surface of the
earth.If true then a device tapping this energy can be do work without
actively consumming any energy which our normal devices use like
heat,electricity etc.The significance is to show that what we believe
is never possible is possible.
Regards
PK(INDIA)


What if a gravitational field is produced?
Electro gravity?
I believe that the Elerctrical force inherent in matter is the
cause of gravitational space-time curvature.

The planets orbit the Sun "perpetually."
Isn't that perpetual motion?

A device using artificially produced gravity can achieve
the impossibility of perpetual motion.

Or maybe the planetary orbits are just a madman's fever dream?

This guy seems to have found a way to use the Biefeld-Brown
Electro Kinetic effect very efficiently. Is it electro-gravity?
http://www.geocities.com/warpcore91
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Old August 30th 03 posted to sci.physics
Sam Wormley
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Default A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE OBEYING CONSERVTION OF ENERGY

Geeman wrote:


The planets orbit the Sun "perpetually."
Isn't that perpetual motion?


By that definition, all motion is "perpetual". Newton's
First Law--
http://scienceworld.wolfram.com/phys...sFirstLaw.html
 




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