On Sun, 07 Aug 2005 06:46:06 GMT, "George Hammond"
wrote:

The belief that Man "lives after death" predates Christianity
by THOUSANDS of years. The Egyptians believed there was an afterlife
for 2000 years before Christianity and that Man lived there in a spiritual
world. They also believed in a "final judgement" at death (the weighing of the
heart before Osirus) and believed there was both a punishment and a heaven.
The Greeks (Socrates, Plato, Pythagoras, etc.) believed in the
"immortality of the Soul" 500 years before Christianity. The Pagan religions, and the
Roman religion believed the soul was immortal. Even Judiasm prior to the
time of Jesus believed in the "resurrection" of the body, the Parisees
(the Rabbinical class) vehemently defending the belief, even though the
Sadducees (the aristocracy) opposed it.
In short, Christianity did not invent Life After Death.... in fact
Christianity INHERITED the idea which was already several thousand years old, and
already a central article of faith in the world's religious landscape.
However, with the advent of Christianity, the theory of Life After Death
became fixed as an official canon of the world's most powerful religion.

Jesus avowed life after death, when he said:

"I am the resurrection, and the life:
he that believeth in me, though he
were dead, yet shall he live."

(John 11:25 KJV)

St. Paul, who wrote most of the New Testament except for the 4 Gospels,
clearly believed in immortality and even detailed the specific physical
mechanism
by which this was possible:

I Cor 15:

35 "How are the dead raised up? and with
what body do they come?"

44 "There is a natural body, and there is a
spiritual body."

50 ".. flesh and blood cannot inherit the
kingdom of God...... Behold I shew
51 you a mystery; we shall not all sleep,
but we shall all be changed.
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an
eye, at the last trump.... the dead shall
be raised incorruptible, and we shall
be changed."

(St. Paul, I Cor:15)

St. Augustine, Tertullian, Irenaeus, Origen, Clement, Ambrose, Jerome ....
in fact all of the Church Fathers believed in Life After Death, and it was affirmed
by every major Church council including Nicea (325 ad) where it was embodied in the
Nicene Creed.

Finally, St. Thomas Aquinas wrote the definitive description of the
Christian belief in the Afterlife in the _Summa Theologica_ in 1270 ad, and which
remains the Roman Catholic Church's official position on the subject to this day.

Aquinas writes:

[Aquinas, Summa theologica, Suplimentum Tertia Partis:
The Resurrection]

I answer that, The necessity of holding the resurrection arises from
this--that man may obtain the last end for which he was made; for
this cannot be accomplished in this life, ....... it is necessary for the
selfsame man to rise again; and this is effected by the selfsame soul
being united to the selfsame body. For otherwise there would be no
resurrection properly speaking, if the same man were not reformed.
Hence to maintain that he who rises again is not the selfsame man is
heretical, since it is contrary to the truth of Scripture which proclaims
the resurrection.





The point is, the theory of Life After Death is not a 2000 year old theory,
it is a 4000 year old theory, at the very least. That makes it the world's
oldest theory... even older than the theory of God itself. It is in fact,
the world's oldest scientific conjecture.

At any rate, it is now 2005 AD, fully 700 years after Aquinas penned the
last words of the Summa Theologica and sealed forever the official formulation of
the Christian Afterlife.

In the meantime, modern Science has arrived and along with it the discovery
of the world's first experimentally proven, axiomatic physics scientific
proof of God (Hammond 2003).
For those of you who have not heard about this, it may come as a surprise
to find out that the existence of God has actually been scientifically
proven. However, that is the case. God it turns out is a Relativistic Curvature of
subjective reality as compared to objective reality. This fact was
discovered (by Hammond) when it was accidentally noticed that the Linear Algebra of
Psychometry was identical to that of Linearized General Relativity (Gravity)
and the cause was traced to the fact that the 4 major dimensions of
Psychometry (ENPg... the dimensions of subjective space) are caused by
the 4 dimensions of spacetime (objective space XYZt) via the Cartesian
Structure of the vertibrate body plan, including the Cartesian Cleavage of
the human brain (which causes ENPg). This "Curvature" of subjective spacetime
is a magnification of subjective spacetime w.r.t. objective spacetime caused
by the Secular Trend in human growth, and which simply pushes as much as
20% of reality outside the perceptual bandwidth of the observer, thus making
20% of reality invisible to the average person. This "invisible world" then
is known as "Heaven" in canonical religion. The invisible man who lives there
then is simply the 20% of the body which is ungrown (according to the well
known Secular Trend) and this (invisible) person is known historically as
"God".

A simple explanatin of this discovery can be seen in the first 4 large print
pages of my website located at:

http://geocities.com/scientific_proof_of_god

The discovery has also been published in the peer reviewed literatu

Hammond G.E.(2003) A Semiclassical Theory of God
Noetic Journal, Vol 4(3) July 2003, pp 231-244(Noetic Press)
Online copy at:
http://geocities.com/scientific_proo...ammond5s1.html

and has been the subject of much controversy on the Internet and in
scientific circles generally.




At any rate, the existence of God is now a foregone conclusion
scientifically speaking, and it will not be long before the scientific community and the
world at large become aware of this discovery.

In the meantime..... the theory of "Life After Death" still remains a
scientific mystery.

The scientific proof of God outlined above (known as the SPOG) does not
prove that Life After Death exists, it only proves that God exists.
Interestingly it does explain what Eternal Life is. Eternal Life is simply the subjective
state of reality as seen by Man when he finally succeeds in becoming fully grown.
According to the data of the Secular Trend, this will not occur for many
thousands of years in the future.

(this is the reason that Aquinas asserts that "the end of Man cannot be
accomplished in this life.)

The Secular Trend is a sigmoindal curve
that has been climbing for millenia, ever since the species first appeared
100,000 years ago. It has been climbing very dramaticaly since the
Renaissance, and particularly steeply since the Industrial Revolution.

At any rate, the fact that we will not obtain full growth before we die,
means that we do not obtain a condition of "eternal life" (we never see real time), and
hence this has lead to the speculation that there may be such a thing as "life
after death".. a spiritual or "dreamlike" existence after death, in which we get to see
reality in "real time"...

(Aquinas asserts that this is the necessity of the resurrection to
life after death, above.)

this is called the "beatifici vision" in religion, and it's existence was
discovered psychologically thousands of years before Science had any
explanation for the phenomena.

Now, interestingly, the SPOG has added one new twist to this ancient theory.
It has always been an objection to the theory that "dead men can't dream"...
i.e. in modern parlance... that a "dead brain can't dream"... and therefore how
could there be such a thing as a "dream state after death"?

The SPOG proves that "God" is a relativistic phenomena, this immediately
opens up the possibility that this "dreamlike afterlife" is something that is read
out of the human brain only a short time before death (at the last trump, as St.
Paul put it), and then that this "log" if you will, that has been prepared during
life, is then "read" in a liesurly pace which might take months or years, in a "time
dilated" (relativistic) state. Thus life after death would turn out to be actually
life before death, which only APPEARS to take place after death. As any scientist can
see, this possibility is immediately attractive on scientific grounds! Life
after death is a "twins paradox" type of phenomena involving simple relativistic
non-simultanetey!

This possibiliby, now supported by the discovery of the SPOG, then turns the
theory of Life After Death into a credible scientific theory!


Now, obviously, one would have to justify the assumption that the brain is
capable of reading out this "death dream" in a split second before death,
and that it would have to contain enough information to fill a year or more's of
human experience when time dilated to terrestrial speeds. Well, to make a long
story short, modern science had discovered that the brain has trillions and
trillions of times more computing capacity then previously thought. The microtubules in
the brain contain solid state (atomic) computing capacity (Penrose/Hameroff)
which have added a factor of 10^15 to the computing capacity of the brain. Not
only that, these computations do not proceed at neuronal speeds (1000 kc) but
proceed at light frequncies, many billions of times higher (10^15 hz). In fact the
entire brain is "optically" connected by solid state MAPS which interconnect the
microtubule system, so that in fact the entire brain memory can "read out"
as optical speeds.

At any rate... YES... the theory of a time dilated "Life After Death" dream
state (spiritual body) is possible. The real question is....... is it
credible?

when I say... "is it credible" I am raising once again the age old question
of whether Life After Death is a credible hypothesis in the first place.

Well... it was credible to St. Paul, and it was credible to Aquinas... they
are clearly on record as saying so.

But is the theory still credible in 2005 AD... especially in view of modern
history, science and society?

I mean... I can tell you right now, there is frankly, nothing more
embarresing or awkward than to listen to ANYBODY try to give a literal description of what
"Life After Death" would be like. I mean, to listen to them try and explain
where we would be, what we would do, and why in the world wouldn't it be
tediously pointless to "living life all over again"... it simply sounds
ridiculous.... who on Earth would want to live life all over again... it would be as boring
as watching the World Series on t.v. twice in a row... it simply doesn't make
any sense!

The only answer to this, would of necessity have to be.... that Life After
Death is NOT the same as the life you have already lived. Oh sure... the props
are the same, we would have to have landscapes, houses, roads, people... wind
blowing through our hair, sunshine and rain... but the point is, none of these
things would look the same as they did before. The ENTIRE POINT of Life After Death has
to be to show us the aspect of life that we MISSED because we didn't have
full vision while we were alive. In particular people, events and circumstances
would be completely ALTERED by the fact that we are now given higher growth.. in
fact full growth, so that we no longer see the "curved world" that we saw
here on Earth... we now see the world in "flat space". Apparently (if the theory
of Life After Death is true)... this so drastically changes the appearance of
people, places and things... that it is entirely a NEW REALITY.... and in fact becomes
(with increasing growth... e.g. increasing vision) so overwhelming that it is
called the "beatific vision" of reality. Since "seeing is believing" this vision is
said to be so overwhelming, so awesome, that it overwhelms everything that we have ever
seen or known during life.... one look at it and all that has ever mystefied,
disappointed, or even defeated you, now passes away into insignificance. Death, tradegy,
pain, suffering, torture, .... nothing has any significance in comparison to
the beatific vision of reality. You finally get to see what you've always been
looking for. In fact, thus obtaining what you've always been looking for, it doesn't
matter when where or how life finally ends. This is known as "eternal life". It
doesn't last "forever"... it only lasts for days, months or years, maybe even shorter
than that... and then it ends... but because you've seen what you were always looking
for... eternal life.... there is no such thing as death.


Now... that's it for me.... that's my description of Life After Death... and
it still seems somewhat forced and awkward... and I'm not sure I believe it. But
I'll tell you what.... it is convincing enough to me to still consider the
canonical theory of Life After Death to be a credible scientific hypothesis.

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George E. Hammond wrote:
On Sun, 07 Aug 2005 06:46:06 GMT, "George Hammond"
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The belief that Man "lives after death" predates Christianity
by THOUSANDS of years. The Egyptians believed

Wait- wait.. just a minute..

(snip)

Ah, isn't that better?

Get you some orgone george, let the cooool sink into your vertebraaeee..
yeah, man.. it'll be alright, just chill out..

John

George E. Hammond wrote:
snip
At any rate, the existence of God is now a foregone conclusion
scientifically speaking,
snip

I wish I hadn't been drinking coffee when I got to that line :-(

You need a laugh on a Monday morning

Come on george, it's getting boring in here. Tell us more about your
funny little god.. **** him off some more, it's great when you do that...

John

On Sat, 13 Aug 2005 06:57:18 -0400, JohnM wrote:

Come on george, it's getting boring in here. Tell us more about your
funny little god.. **** him off some more, it's great when you do that...

John

[Hammond]
It sure is boring.

No one has demonstrated enough intelligence about the SPOG to
even get my attention.

Usenet is for losers, I'm busy writing a book.

Will be posting FYI (read only) messages when I feel like it.
I don't waste time anymore replying to pseudo-intellectual
Usenet freaks.



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George E. Hammond wrote:
On Sat, 13 Aug 2005 06:57:18 -0400, JohnM wrote:


Come on george, it's getting boring in here. Tell us more about your
funny little god.. **** him off some more, it's great when you do that...

John


[Hammond]
It sure is boring.

No one has demonstrated enough intelligence about the SPOG to
even get my attention.

Usenet is for losers, I'm busy writing a book.

Will be posting FYI (read only) messages when I feel like it.
I don't waste time anymore replying to pseudo-intellectual
Usenet freaks.


Aw, thank you George, I always had that little niggling fear that I
might be a pseudo-intellectual freak but your response has certainly
relieved that fear. I can't tell you how much I appreciate that..

I have to disagree that Usenet is for losers, Usenet rocks. I can't
believe the number of incredibly intelligent people who offer help and
knowledge here. It's probably tough to get a personal theory accepted
among those who are inclined to not believe, but I guess that's just the
way of the world.

I also have to disagree with your statement "No one has demonstrated
enough intelligence abouut the SPOG to even get my attention" There's
been considerable intelligence directed toward your SPOG but you reject
it. Your SPOG requires the same thing that all other approaches to
accepting a god require- belief. If you could get your god to pull of
some miracles you might get more believers, it would certainly impress me..

For instance, I think it might just be a miracle if you, dyed purple,
with orange hair, could attract a crowd of 50,000 people while
mastubating in Times Square. It would make the news and everything, just
think of the possibilities George, at about every eleventh stroke you
could bellow "I have proven the existence of god Scientifically"! I
think that'd definitely make some converts. Just the thought of it makes
me a convert..

I'm with you on this George, I'm only about a thousand miles from New
York, I can get the purple and orange dyes, we can really get you and
the SPOG noticed in the way you and it deserve. Let me know when you
want to get it going, we'll make a good team.. You and me, proving god,
Scientifically..

John


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George,

Why do we need you to "scientifically prove" that God exists? We can all
just simply read his posts right here in the news group. Your claim of a
"Theory of God" seems completely redundant to me.

James


"George E. Hammond" wrote in message
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On Sat, 13 Aug 2005 06:57:18 -0400, JohnM wrote:

Come on george, it's getting boring in here. Tell us more about your
funny little god.. **** him off some more, it's great when you do that...

John

[Hammond]
It sure is boring.

No one has demonstrated enough intelligence about the SPOG to
even get my attention.

Usenet is for losers, I'm busy writing a book.

Will be posting FYI (read only) messages when I feel like it.
I don't waste time anymore replying to pseudo-intellectual
Usenet freaks.



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George E. Hammond wrote:

[Hammond]
It sure is boring.

No one has demonstrated enough intelligence about the SPOG to
even get my attention.

Usenet is for losers, I'm busy writing a book.

Will be posting FYI (read only) messages when I feel like it.
I don't waste time anymore replying to pseudo-intellectual
Usenet freaks.

And yet, you're reading every post, and responding to obvious trolls.

LOVE the idea of a book. It will nicely wrap up the entire [Hammond]
experience into a nice little package that can be ignored.

George - it's good to have a goal, no matter how irrational. Good luck
on the book deal, you wonderful kook.

JohnM wrote:

Come on george, it's getting boring in here. Tell us more about your
funny little god.. **** him off some more, it's great when you do that...


He's reading Tipler's book. It must include something useful for
SPoG. Something powerful that enables [Hammond] to let his dream
of "kicking a**es" come true.

Or not.

I guess it's the latter one.


Greetings from Augsburg

Bernhard Schornak

On Sun, 14 Aug 2005 10:08:12 +0100, bv_schornak
wrote:

JohnM wrote:

Come on george, it's getting boring in here. Tell us more about your
funny little god.. **** him off some more, it's great when you do that...


[Bernhard Schornak]
He's reading Tipler's book. It must include something useful for
SPoG. Something powerful that enables [Hammond] to let his dream
of "kicking a**es" come true.

Or not.

I guess it's the latter one.


Greetings from Augsburg

Bernhard Schornak

[Hammond]
Bernie... you're a sap. You can't read handwriting off a wall.

You ought to know better than to try and speak to Hammond in
"backhanded compliments" for chrissakes. There is NO INSULT
Hammmond can ignore.. because obviously he's one of the most
iinsulted scientists in recent history... and you're too stupid to
know it!


Whaddau think blasting an "anti-spog" website all over Germany is
a cute idea? You got about as much horse sense as the Bund had 50
years ago... you're out of date! The Germans have had enough of
being the "the world's most hated government" for 50 friggin years...
it's a whole new generation.... and a generation that knows the German
people opposed the Holocaust. They want hero's, they want somebody
to stand up and be a ****in hero for a change... not feed
them a whole new generaion of backhanded crap... such as the
"anti-spog" website... they want somethiibng that will raise the
esteem of German decency and humanity.


For chrissakes... I happened on one of your webpages quoting
dozens of my Usenet posts... all that work and sensless argumentation
against me for nothing!


You're a fool. German Science is in a better position to evaluate the
SPOG than Israel is for chrissakes... can you imagine some Jew in Tel
Aviv coming out and saying a scientific proof of God has been
discovered... he'd be ridiculed as a nut case from one end of the
Earth to the other. But no one would be laughing if a German
Scientist said such a thing.... you ought to be smart enough to know
that. Do you know that it was some PhD at the Max Planck Institute
named Marcus Poiseuille (he's got a home page but I can't relocate it)
who first suggested to me that God=G_uv (I thought at the time that
God=g_uv... the metric and not the curvature). A German scientist is
the only physicist who has ever helped me! German Science has
more of a vested moral interest in this discovery than any other
country on Earth..... imagine the headlines Bernie:


GERMAN SCIENTISTS DISCOVER
PROOF OF GOD

How about that for a change, instead of reading more about Joseph
Mengle's experiments trying to turn Jewish eyes blue for chrissakes!

And now it's British and American scientists ridiculing Hammond for
chrissakes... as a German yourself you should be able to read the
handwriting on the wall.... it's German Science that is getting the
shaft here!


For instance, you go on and on about the PFF and Riedel's discovery of
the Pff being 35 years old. For chrissakes all that research is in
German scientific journals, such as:


Grundlagenstudien der Kybernetik und
Geisteswissenschaften/Humankybernetik


(Fundamental studies of the cybernetics and mental
science/human cybernetics)


including the critical 1985 paper on the PFF by:

Weidenhammer, W. and Fischer, B. (1985): Flimmerverschmelzungsfrequenz
und Subjektives Zeitquant – sind sie unabhängige Größen?
Grundlagenstudien der Kybernetik und
Geisteswissenschaften/Humankybernetik 26: 51-60.


Christ Bernie.... German reasearch is way ahead of British or American
research in areas like this.... including Riedel's original paper:

Riedel, H. (1966): Untersuchung zur Abhängigkeit des
Zeitauflösungsvermögens vom Lebensalter. Grundlagenstudien der
Kybernetik und Geisteswissenschaften 7: 65-72.


In which HE DISCOVERED that the PFF is correlated with Intelligence
while the FFF (flicker fusion) is NOT! I don't think anyone outside
of Germany even knows about this fact... Arthur Jensen certainly
doesn't know about it!... although it is OBVIOUS from my research and
I hunted for it for years before discovering it in another 1990
German paper by Siegfried Lehrl and Bernd Fischer, located online at:

http://www.v-weiss.de/lehrl-full.html

otherwise I probably would have NEVER found out about it!!


What I'm saying Bernie... is that you are making a BIG MISTAKE by
telling the Germans a lot of MISINFORMATION about the SPOG... when it
is their research that has actually uncovered this thing... and they
should be getting a lions share of the credit... and I'm sure there
are a lot of decent and responsible German scientists who are not
going to appreciate your "anti-spog" aproach to the problem!

If instead of spending your time getting hoodwinked by these British
and American academic prigs, you had spent half the energy digging out
the German research on the PFF (Riedel, Weidenhammer, Fisher etc.)
you could have made a REAL CONTRIBUTION to solving the problem..
whereas all that research is unavailable to me in the U.S.


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