Hi experts,

What's the solid proof that as electrons gain photonic
energy. It jumps to higher orbital farther away from the
atom?? What experiments have been done before
that determined the electrons have indeed jumped to
higher orbitals and the model is not just a mathematical
stunt??


Zhayne

zhayne wrote:
Hi experts,

What's the solid proof that as electrons gain photonic
energy. It jumps to higher orbital farther away from the
atom?? What experiments have been done before
that determined the electrons have indeed jumped to
higher orbitals and the model is not just a mathematical
stunt??

If you add enough energy to an orbital electron, it escapes the atom
altogether. The atom is ionised. I'd say that constitutes getting
farther from the nucleus.

-Mark Martin

Mark Martin wrote:
zhayne wrote:
Hi experts,

What's the solid proof that as electrons gain photonic
energy. It jumps to higher orbital farther away from the
atom?? What experiments have been done before
that determined the electrons have indeed jumped to
higher orbitals and the model is not just a mathematical
stunt??

If you add enough energy to an orbital electron, it escapes the
atom
altogether. The atom is ionised. I'd say that constitutes getting
farther from the nucleus.

-Mark Martin

Not necessarity. Even if the electron is inside the nucleus
(as an extreme example). It can still be ejected out of the
atom. Therefore your reasoning that just because it is
ejected means photonic energy can get it to higher orbitals
is faulty. Any empirical proof much like how Rutherford
determine the center of the atom has concentrated mass as
in nucleus via the alpha scattering of the gold thin foil
thing? Perhaps some lasers have been used to probe that
photonic energy can indeed make the electron jump to higher
orbital or farther away from the nucleus?


zhayne

zhayne wrote:

Hi experts,

What's the solid proof that as electrons gain photonic
energy. It jumps to higher orbital farther away from the
atom?? What experiments have been done before
that determined the electrons have indeed jumped to
higher orbitals and the model is not just a mathematical
stunt??

Rydberg atoms.

--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz.pdf

"zhayne" wrote in message
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| Hi experts,
|
| What's the solid proof that as electrons gain photonic
| energy. It jumps to higher orbital farther away from the
| atom?? What experiments have been done before
| that determined the electrons have indeed jumped to
| higher orbitals and the model is not just a mathematical
| stunt??

Lasers.

FrediFizzx

http://www.vacuum-physics.com/QVC/qu...uum_charge.pdf
or postscript
http://www.vacuum-physics.com/QVC/qu...cuum_charge.ps

zhayne wrote:

Not necessarity. Even if the electron is inside the nucleus
(as an extreme example). It can still be ejected out of the
atom. Therefore your reasoning that just because it is
ejected means photonic energy can get it to higher orbitals
is faulty. Any empirical proof much like how Rutherford
determine the center of the atom has concentrated mass as
in nucleus via the alpha scattering of the gold thin foil
thing? Perhaps some lasers have been used to probe that
photonic energy can indeed make the electron jump to higher
orbital or farther away from the nucleus?

Yes, of course. But it's resonable to expect that higher orbital
energy raises the electron to a higher radius. At the classical limit
that's how things are observed to behave when they are mutually
attracted, as with positive & negative charges, and gravitating masses.
Since this principle produces reliable numbers that match experiment,
it's an overcomplication to propose that it works the other way around
as the electron gets to within some very small radius of the nucleus.
In order for it to be worthwhile theoretically, it'd have to do a
better job of accounting for observables than the present paradigm.

As for experiments, I don't know if any Rutherford types have been
done to address this very question, and I don't know just offhand how
it would be done.

-Mark Martin

Uncle Al wrote:
zhayne wrote:

Hi experts,

What's the solid proof that as electrons gain photonic
energy. It jumps to higher orbital farther away from the
atom?? What experiments have been done before
that determined the electrons have indeed jumped to
higher orbitals and the model is not just a mathematical
stunt??

Rydberg atoms.

--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz.pdf


But Rydberg atoms experiments only show spectrum changes.
This doesn't prove the electrons are elevated to
higher states farther from the atoms. I'm looking for
solid proof the electrons indeed jumps to orbitals
farther away from the atoms.

zhayne

FrediFizzx wrote:
"zhayne" wrote in message
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| Hi experts,
|
| What's the solid proof that as electrons gain photonic
| energy. It jumps to higher orbital farther away from the
| atom?? What experiments have been done before
| that determined the electrons have indeed jumped to
| higher orbitals and the model is not just a mathematical
| stunt??

Lasers.

FrediFizzx

http://www.vacuum-physics.com/QVC/qu...uum_charge.pdf
or postscript
http://www.vacuum-physics.com/QVC/qu...cuum_charge.ps

What's the proof that in lasers, the electrons are all in
the top most orbitals or farthest away from the atoms??
I mean, what's the empirical solid data rather than just
believing the QM model and mathematics.

zhayne

"zhayne" wrote in message
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| FrediFizzx wrote:
| "zhayne" wrote in message
| oups.com...
| | Hi experts,
| |
| | What's the solid proof that as electrons gain photonic
| | energy. It jumps to higher orbital farther away from the
| | atom?? What experiments have been done before
| | that determined the electrons have indeed jumped to
| | higher orbitals and the model is not just a mathematical
| | stunt??
|
| Lasers.

[...]
| What's the proof that in lasers, the electrons are all in
| the top most orbitals or farthest away from the atoms??
| I mean, what's the empirical solid data rather than just
| believing the QM model and mathematics.

I don't think anyone has come up with a better model, so why not believe
it? Do you have a better model? Or have any references to a better
model?

FrediFizzx

http://www.vacuum-physics.com/QVC/qu...uum_charge.pdf
or postscript
http://www.vacuum-physics.com/QVC/qu...cuum_charge.ps

"zhayne" wrote in message
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Hi experts,

What's the solid proof that as electrons gain photonic
energy. It jumps to higher orbital farther away from the
atom?? What experiments have been done before
that determined the electrons have indeed jumped to
higher orbitals and the model is not just a mathematical
stunt??

There aren't any "proofs" in physics. However, that
mean atomic radius and excitation energy are co-variable
is empirically falsifiable, but it hasn't been falsified. That's
it. Short of providing empirical falsification, zhayne has
no scientific basis for doubting it.

[Old Man]

Zhayne