Hi,

I was watching a UFO program on the Discovery Channel the other night, and
they showed an enhanced photo of an alleged sighting, that had glowing
cavities on the base of the craft.

Cue one aging boffin saying "I recognise that!". Turns out he'd had some
peripheral role in the U.S Space/Defense business. He proceeded to do a
demonstration with a hand wound coil around 6" in diameter which he
described as 220 windings of copper wire, which he then pugged into a
regular 110v AC socket. The coil jumped a couple of inches off the table and
hovered there. I noticed that the coil was tethered to the table with parcel
tape for stability. Within a few seconds the insulation on the copper wire
started smoking as the whole thing heated up, hence his analogy with the
'glowing' cavities.

Any idea what's going on here? Would the effect be explained if the table
was steel, or was something more wierd going on? Certainly, the effect was
presented as a possible form of propulsion, so the implication was that it
didn't need a slab of steel to react to. And I don't see that it could be
reacting to the Earth's magnetic field, as the coil had an alternating
magnetic field.

Any thoughts?

Rod Jones

Rod Jones wrote:
Hi,

I was watching a UFO program on the Discovery Channel the other
night, and
they showed an enhanced photo of an alleged sighting, that had
glowing
cavities on the base of the craft.

Cue one aging boffin saying "I recognise that!". Turns out he'd had
some
peripheral role in the U.S Space/Defense business. He proceeded to do
a
demonstration with a hand wound coil around 6" in diameter which he
described as 220 windings of copper wire, which he then pugged into a
regular 110v AC socket. The coil jumped a couple of inches off the
table and
hovered there. I noticed that the coil was tethered to the table with
parcel
tape for stability. Within a few seconds the insulation on the copper
wire
started smoking as the whole thing heated up, hence his analogy with
the
'glowing' cavities.

Any idea what's going on here? Would the effect be explained if the
table
was steel, or was something more wierd going on? Certainly, the
effect was
presented as a possible form of propulsion, so the implication was
that it
didn't need a slab of steel to react to. And I don't see that it
could be
reacting to the Earth's magnetic field, as the coil had an
alternating
magnetic field.

Any thoughts?

Do the experiment yourself. (out on the lawn, with a fire extinguisher
on hand) If it fails to perform as advertised, then maybe they're lying
to you.

-Mark Martin

Rod Jones wrote:
Hi,

I was watching a UFO program on the Discovery Channel the other night, and
they showed an enhanced photo of an alleged sighting, that had glowing
cavities on the base of the craft.

Cue one aging boffin saying "I recognise that!". Turns out he'd had some
peripheral role in the U.S Space/Defense business. He proceeded to do a
demonstration with a hand wound coil around 6" in diameter which he
described as 220 windings of copper wire, which he then pugged into a
regular 110v AC socket. The coil jumped a couple of inches off the table and
hovered there. I noticed that the coil was tethered to the table with parcel
tape for stability. Within a few seconds the insulation on the copper wire
started smoking as the whole thing heated up, hence his analogy with the
'glowing' cavities.

Any idea what's going on here? Would the effect be explained if the table
was steel, or was something more wierd going on? Certainly, the effect was
presented as a possible form of propulsion, so the implication was that it
didn't need a slab of steel to react to. And I don't see that it could be
reacting to the Earth's magnetic field, as the coil had an alternating
magnetic field.

Any thoughts?

Probably an Aluminum tabletop which would diamagnetically repel the
coil's field. The tabletop would get hot too, but with thermal mass it
wouldn't be obvious.

If the tabletop were steel the coil would have clamped tightly to it
(and buzzed loudly since it was fed with AC).

Got nothing to do with putative UFO drives as even really strong
(megaTesla) magnets, whether AC or DC, don't repel the Earth.

Mark L. Fergerson

Of course, I should do the experiment, but for the moment I'm trying to find
out if this is an effect that's understood...

Rod

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Rod Jones wrote:
Hi,

I was watching a UFO program on the Discovery Channel the other
night, and
they showed an enhanced photo of an alleged sighting, that had
glowing
cavities on the base of the craft.

Cue one aging boffin saying "I recognise that!". Turns out he'd had
some
peripheral role in the U.S Space/Defense business. He proceeded to do
a
demonstration with a hand wound coil around 6" in diameter which he
described as 220 windings of copper wire, which he then pugged into a
regular 110v AC socket. The coil jumped a couple of inches off the
table and
hovered there. I noticed that the coil was tethered to the table with
parcel
tape for stability. Within a few seconds the insulation on the copper
wire
started smoking as the whole thing heated up, hence his analogy with
the
'glowing' cavities.

Any idea what's going on here? Would the effect be explained if the
table
was steel, or was something more wierd going on? Certainly, the
effect was
presented as a possible form of propulsion, so the implication was
that it
didn't need a slab of steel to react to. And I don't see that it
could be
reacting to the Earth's magnetic field, as the coil had an
alternating
magnetic field.

Any thoughts?

Do the experiment yourself. (out on the lawn, with a fire extinguisher
on hand) If it fails to perform as advertised, then maybe they're lying
to you.

-Mark Martin

Rod Jones wrote:

Hi,

I was watching a UFO program on the Discovery Channel the other night, and
they showed an enhanced photo of an alleged sighting, that had glowing
cavities on the base of the craft.

At this point you transition from gullible to astoundingly stupid.

Cue one aging boffin saying "I recognise that!". Turns out he'd had some
peripheral role in the U.S Space/Defense business. He proceeded to do a
demonstration with a hand wound coil around 6" in diameter which he
described as 220 windings of copper wire, which he then pugged into a
regular 110v AC socket. The coil jumped a couple of inches off the table and
hovered there.
[snip]

Bull****.

--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz.pdf

In article ,
Uncle Al wrote:
Rod Jones wrote:

Hi,

I was watching a UFO program on the Discovery Channel the other night, and
they showed an enhanced photo of an alleged sighting, that had glowing
cavities on the base of the craft.

At this point you transition from gullible to astoundingly stupid.

Cue one aging boffin saying "I recognise that!". Turns out he'd had some
peripheral role in the U.S Space/Defense business. He proceeded to do a
demonstration with a hand wound coil around 6" in diameter which he
described as 220 windings of copper wire, which he then pugged into a
regular 110v AC socket. The coil jumped a couple of inches off the table and
hovered there.
[snip]

Bull****.

Seems like the jumping ring demonstration in reverse, if it was a metal
table.
--
"Outside the camp you shall have a place set aside to be used as a
latrine. You shall keep a trowel in your equipment and with it, when you
go outside to ease nature, you shall first dig a hole and afterward cover
up your excrement." -- Deuteronomy 23:13-14

"Gregory L. Hansen" wrote:

In article ,
Uncle Al wrote:
Rod Jones wrote:

Hi,

I was watching a UFO program on the Discovery Channel the other night, and
they showed an enhanced photo of an alleged sighting, that had glowing
cavities on the base of the craft.

At this point you transition from gullible to astoundingly stupid.

Cue one aging boffin saying "I recognise that!". Turns out he'd had some
peripheral role in the U.S Space/Defense business. He proceeded to do a
demonstration with a hand wound coil around 6" in diameter which he
described as 220 windings of copper wire, which he then pugged into a
regular 110v AC socket. The coil jumped a couple of inches off the table and
hovered there.
[snip]

Bull****.

Seems like the jumping ring demonstration in reverse, if it was a metal
table.

There are all sorts of rationalizations, none of which apply to the
UFO bull****. Ditto Coriolis thrusters, cavorite, electrostatic
thrusters, and hooking into a notch on the photon belt.

--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz.pdf

Uncle Al wrote:
There are all sorts of rationalizations, none of which apply to the
UFO bull****. Ditto Coriolis thrusters, cavorite, electrostatic
thrusters, and hooking into a notch on the photon belt.

Ever seen a MIG chasing a floating cylinder, idiot?



--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz.pdf

Schoenfeld wrote:

Uncle Al wrote:
There are all sorts of rationalizations, none of which apply to the
UFO bull****. Ditto Coriolis thrusters, cavorite, electrostatic
thrusters, and hooking into a notch on the photon belt.

Ever seen a MIG chasing a floating cylinder, idiot?

Res ipsa loquiter.

--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz.pdf

Schoenfeld wrote:

Uncle Al wrote:
There are all sorts of rationalizations, none of which apply to the
UFO bull****. Ditto Coriolis thrusters, cavorite, electrostatic
thrusters, and hooking into a notch on the photon belt.

Ever seen a MIG chasing a floating cylinder, idiot?

No.

--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz.pdf