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Old September 6th 04 posted to sci.physics
Jack
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Default The 4th Dimension

I saw an interesting documentary several years ago, and it explained
the following:

A dot, (without length, width, or breadth), moves along a straight
line. This line formed, is the FIRST dimension.

If the theoretical line were moved perpindicular to the first
linear motion, then a plane is formed. The original dot would only
see an edge of the plane, and therefore would not see the plane; it
can only see 'length', but not breadth. this is the SECOND dimension.

If the plane were moved upwards, it would form a cube, or the THIRD
dimension. The original 2 dimensional plane would see the cubes
length and width, but not it's height; therefore it would see the cube
as a mere plane like itself.

What direction does the cube move in, to form the 4th dimension?
Is the 4th Dimension here around us, but are we unable to see it?
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Old September 6th 04 posted to sci.physics
Mark Fergerson
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Default The 4th Dimension

Jack wrote:

I saw an interesting documentary several years ago, and it explained
the following:

A dot, (without length, width, or breadth), moves along a straight
line. This line formed, is the FIRST dimension.

If the theoretical line were moved perpindicular to the first
linear motion, then a plane is formed. The original dot would only
see an edge of the plane, and therefore would not see the plane; it
can only see 'length', but not breadth. this is the SECOND dimension.

If the plane were moved upwards, it would form a cube, or the THIRD
dimension. The original 2 dimensional plane would see the cubes
length and width, but not it's height; therefore it would see the cube
as a mere plane like itself.

What direction does the cube move in, to form the 4th dimension?
Is the 4th Dimension here around us, but are we unable to see it?


One answer is to consider that the cube has duration, or extension in
the "time direction". Observe it (from some hypothetical
super-duperspace of five or so dimensions) long enough for its duration
to be equivalent to the length of a side (at 3x10E8 meters = 1 second)
and you have a hypercube.

But that's not what most people mean when thinking of extra physical
dimensions, mainly because of the severely limited mobility
opportunities (time's arrow and all that).

The nearest thing to a testable contention that physical dimensions
above the three we see is the Kaluza-Klein idea (and derivatives
thereof) that some dimensions are "curled up" rather like taking a slice
of your plane and rolling it into a cylinder. From a distance it would
look like a one-D line, but close up it would be revealed as two-D.
Stack a bunch of them and you'd see a plane, and close up it would look
a bit "thicker".

Unfortunately, all tests done so far have eliminated the "reasonable"
rolled diameters of these putative dimensional structures.

Mark L. Fergerson
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Old September 6th 04 posted to sci.physics
Uncle Al
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Default The 4th Dimension

Jack wrote:

I saw an interesting documentary several years ago, and it explained
the following:

A dot, (without length, width, or breadth), moves along a straight
line. This line formed, is the FIRST dimension.

If the theoretical line were moved perpindicular to the first
linear motion, then a plane is formed. The original dot would only
see an edge of the plane, and therefore would not see the plane; it
can only see 'length', but not breadth. this is the SECOND dimension.

If the plane were moved upwards, it would form a cube, or the THIRD
dimension. The original 2 dimensional plane would see the cubes
length and width, but not it's height; therefore it would see the cube
as a mere plane like itself.

What direction does the cube move in, to form the 4th dimension?
Is the 4th Dimension here around us, but are we unable to see it?


Each successive translation is orthogonal to all the previous
translations. Do the obvious.

Google
tesseract construction 2,100 hits
hypercube construction 20,200 hits

Robert Heinlein, "And He Built a Crooked House," 1940.
http://math.cofc.edu/faculty/kasman/MATHFICT/mfview.php?callnumber=mf98
http://www.scifi.com/scifiction/classics/classics_archive/heinlein/heinlein1.html

Note that 1940 was 64 years ago. That is more than a half century.
Go a head, punch it through your calculator and confirm.

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Old September 6th 04 posted to sci.physics
Spaceman
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Default The 4th Dimension

"Jack" wrote in message om...
} A dot, (without length, width, or breadth),
snipped

You have just described a nothing.
If it has no length, width, or breadth,
it is "not even a dot".


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Old September 6th 04 posted to sci.physics
Uncle Al
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Default The 4th Dimension

Spaceman wrote:

"Jack" wrote in message om...
} A dot, (without length, width, or breadth),
snipped

You have just described a nothing.
If it has no length, width, or breadth,
it is "not even a dot".


Does it burn, stooopid Space****, does it burn?
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=sp...O-8859-1&hl=en
http://www.hyperdeath.co.uk/spaceman/message.html

1) Where is the clock in the Mossbauer effect, Space****?
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu...ear/mossb.html

2) Fill in the following (the first one is mercy humped):

(+1)(+1) = +1
(-1)(+1) = ?
(+1)(-1) = ?
(-1)(-1) = ?

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/relativ/airtim.html
Hafele-Keating Experiment for Space****
http://www.yugop.com/ver3/stuff/03/fla.html
Clock for Space****
http://tycho.usno.navy.mil/ptti/ptti2002/paper20.pdf
Clocks for Space****
http://arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/9504017
Clocks for Space****.
http://bkocay.cs.umanitoba.ca/Students/Theory.html
The distorted cube
http://www.hyperdeath.co.uk/spaceman/
Space**** emulator
http://www.hep.upenn.edu/~max/toe.html
Chew on it
http://www.iancgbell.clara.net/maths/spctime.htm
http://insti.physics.sunysb.edu/~siegel/Fields2.pdf
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Old September 6th 04 posted to sci.physics
Spaceman
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Default The 4th Dimension


"Uncle Al" wrote in message ...
} Spaceman wrote:
}
} "Jack" wrote in message om...
} } A dot, (without length, width, or breadth),
} snipped
}
} You have just described a nothing.
} If it has no length, width, or breadth,
} it is "not even a dot".
}
} Does it burn, stooopid Space****, does it burn?

It is "really" burning you and you prove it over and over.
LOL
Is your clock god falling down Al?
Are you losing your "religion".
LOL


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Old September 6th 04 posted to sci.physics
Morituri-Max
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Default The 4th Dimension

Spaceman wrote:

It is "really" burning you and you prove it over and over.
LOL
Is your clock god falling down Al?
Are you losing your "religion".
LOL


RIAWG
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Old September 6th 04 posted to sci.physics
Dirk Van de moortel
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Default The 4th Dimension


"Jack" wrote in message om...
I saw an interesting documentary several years ago, and it explained
the following:

A dot, (without length, width, or breadth), moves along a straight
line. This line formed, is the FIRST dimension.

If the theoretical line were moved perpindicular to the first
linear motion, then a plane is formed. The original dot would only
see an edge of the plane, and therefore would not see the plane; it
can only see 'length', but not breadth. this is the SECOND dimension.

If the plane were moved upwards, it would form a cube, or the THIRD
dimension. The original 2 dimensional plane would see the cubes
length and width, but not it's height; therefore it would see the cube
as a mere plane like itself.

What direction does the cube move in, to form the 4th dimension?
Is the 4th Dimension here around us, but are we unable to see it?


Maybe this helps:
et

Dirk Vdm


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Old September 6th 04 posted to sci.physics
Dirk Van de moortel
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Default The 4th Dimension


"J. Todd Wasson" wrote in message ...
From: "Spaceman"
Date: 9/5/2004 6:53 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id: IFN_c.38118$3l3.33343@attbi_s03

"Jack" wrote in message
. com...
} A dot, (without length, width, or breadth),
snipped

You have just described a nothing.
If it has no length, width, or breadth,
it is "not even a dot".


Oh my gosh, Spaceman lives :-)


Actually he isn't - it is an emulator:
http://www.hyperdeath.co.uk/spaceman/
The real Spaceman is in jail for beating and torturing his kids
when they came home from school and insisting that
(-1)*(-1) = 1

Dirk Vdm


 




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