Hi everybody,

I have a question which bothers me since long time and maybe with your help
I can find the answer at last. Since I heard the formule E=mc^2 for the
first time it struck me that there seems to be no logical relation between
the energy contained in a mass and the speed of light. I have no
difficulties to understand that the energy contained in a mass is equivalent
to that mass.

My problem is: what the hell has this to do with the speed of something else
(an electromagnetic wave). I cannot see the connection between them. These
two things: mass and energy on one side and the speed of light on the other
side seem too disparate to me to allow a logical link between them.

I wonder, if someone can explain this connection. I wouldn't have been
surprised if the Joule (the unit for energy) had been established in
consequence of this formula, but I think both Joule, kg, m/s were already
existent before E=mc^2.

I learned from Wikipedia that James Joule died in 1889, thus before Einstein
discovered his famous formula, which I think happened in 1905.

Greetings
Jacques

Dear Jacques:

"Jacques" wrote in message
...
....
I have a question which bothers me since long time
and maybe with your help I can find the answer at
last. Since I heard the formule E=mc^2 for the first
time it struck me that there seems to be no logical
relation between the energy contained in a mass
and the speed of light.

How about as a "constant of integration"?

I have no difficulties to understand that the energy
contained in a mass is equivalent to that mass.

Then let c = 1. There are units systems where that is true. You
just have to do "simple" conversions to get from those systems to
the more familiar mks, cgs, or fps systems.

My problem is: what the hell has this to do with
the speed of something else (an electromagnetic
wave). I cannot see the connection between them.

What is the upper limit speed that mass can have? What is the
fastest speed that the EM binding forces that hold that mass
together has?

These two things: mass and energy on one side
and the speed of light on the other side seem too
disparate to me to allow a logical link between them.

I'm sorry. Consider the Universe it is embedded in then.

I wonder, if someone can explain this connection.
I wouldn't have been surprised if the Joule (the unit
for energy) had been established in consequence of
this formula, but I think both Joule, kg, m/s were
already existent before E=mc^2.

But "units systems" will not hold an answer for you either way.

I learned from Wikipedia that James Joule died in
1889, thus before Einstein discovered his famous
formula, which I think happened in 1905.

http://www.bautforum.com/archive/index.php/t-541.html
.... it has a varied history, with different constants (but still
involving c).

David A. Smith

"Jacques" wrote in message
...
| Hi everybody,
|
| I have a question which bothers me since long time and maybe with your
help
| I can find the answer at last. Since I heard the formule E=mc^2 for the
| first time it struck me that there seems to be no logical relation between
| the energy contained in a mass and the speed of light. I have no
| difficulties to understand that the energy contained in a mass is
equivalent
| to that mass.
|
| My problem is: what the hell has this to do with the speed of something
else
| (an electromagnetic wave). I cannot see the connection between them. These
| two things: mass and energy on one side and the speed of light on the
other
| side seem too disparate to me to allow a logical link between them.
|
| I wonder, if someone can explain this connection. I wouldn't have been
| surprised if the Joule (the unit for energy) had been established in
| consequence of this formula, but I think both Joule, kg, m/s were already
| existent before E=mc^2.
|
| I learned from Wikipedia that James Joule died in 1889, thus before
Einstein
| discovered his famous formula, which I think happened in 1905.
|
Nothing remarkable about it all.
http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonde.../DeriveMC2.htm
http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/MC2.htm


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On May 11, 6:14 pm, "Jacques" wrote:
Hi everybody,

I have a question which bothers me since long time and maybe with your help
I can find the answer at last. Since I heard the formule E=mc^2 for the
first time it struck me that there seems to be no logical relation between
the energy contained in a mass and the speed of light. I have no
difficulties to understand that the energy contained in a mass is equivalent
to that mass.

What is there to be understood, and why should that be difficult?

It seems rather that it is a question of accept not understanding.

Are you sure you still understand?

Why than was that difficult?


My problem is: what the hell has this to do with the speed of something else
(an electromagnetic wave). I cannot see the connection between them. These
two things: mass and energy on one side and the speed of light on the other
side seem too disparate to me to allow a logical link between them.

I wonder, if someone can explain this connection. I wouldn't have been
surprised if the Joule (the unit for energy) had been established in
consequence of this formula, but I think both Joule, kg, m/s were already
existent before E=mc^2.

I learned from Wikipedia that James Joule died in 1889, thus before Einstein
discovered his famous formula, which I think happened in 1905.

Greetings
Jacques

N:dlzc D:aol T:com (dlzc) wrote:
Dear Jacques:

"Jacques" wrote in message
...
...
I have a question which bothers me since long time
and maybe with your help I can find the answer at
last. Since I heard the formule E=mc^2 for the first
time it struck me that there seems to be no logical
relation between the energy contained in a mass
and the speed of light.

How about as a "constant of integration"?

I have no difficulties to understand that the energy
contained in a mass is equivalent to that mass.

Then let c = 1. There are units systems where that is true. You

Seems to be wrong: Speed of light is much higher than 1.

1 is like staying still.

just have to do "simple" conversions to get from those systems to
the more familiar mks, cgs, or fps systems.

My problem is: what the hell has this to do with
the speed of something else (an electromagnetic
wave). I cannot see the connection between them.

What is the upper limit speed that mass can have? What is the

We dont know. Much lesser than c.

How much is that?

fastest speed that the EM binding forces that hold that mass
together has?

Has anyone really ever measured EM binding forces?

How they did that?


These two things: mass and energy on one side
and the speed of light on the other side seem too
disparate to me to allow a logical link between them.

I'm sorry. Consider the Universe it is embedded in then.

Looks rather that them are embedded in Universe.

Which one is bigger?


I wonder, if someone can explain this connection.
I wouldn't have been surprised if the Joule (the unit
for energy) had been established in consequence of
this formula, but I think both Joule, kg, m/s were
already existent before E=mc^2.

But "units systems" will not hold an answer for you either way.

I learned from Wikipedia that James Joule died in
1889, thus before Einstein discovered his famous
formula, which I think happened in 1905.

http://www.bautforum.com/archive/index.php/t-541.html
... it has a varied history, with different constants (but still
involving c).

David A. Smith

Nothing remarkable indeed, because, as "Jacques" pointed out:

'Thus Einstein's E = mc2 is actually derived from Newtonian Mechanics.'

It does however not seem to answer the original poster's question.

_____________
On Sun, 11 May 2008 17:51:50 +0100, Androcles wrote:


"Jacques" wrote in message
...
| Hi everybody,
|
| I have a question which bothers me since long time and maybe with your
help
| I can find the answer at last. Since I heard the formule E=mc^2 for the
| first time it struck me that there seems to be no logical relation
| between the energy contained in a mass and the speed of light. I have
| no difficulties to understand that the energy contained in a mass is
equivalent
| to that mass.
|
| My problem is: what the hell has this to do with the speed of something
else
| (an electromagnetic wave). I cannot see the connection between them.
| These two things: mass and energy on one side and the speed of light on
| the
other
| side seem too disparate to me to allow a logical link between them.
|
| I wonder, if someone can explain this connection. I wouldn't have been
| surprised if the Joule (the unit for energy) had been established in
| consequence of this formula, but I think both Joule, kg, m/s were
| already existent before E=mc^2.
|
| I learned from Wikipedia that James Joule died in 1889, thus before
Einstein
| discovered his famous formula, which I think happened in 1905.
|
Nothing remarkable about it all.
http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonde.../DeriveMC2.htm
http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/MC2.htm

Dear David,

"N:dlzc D:aol T:com (dlzc)" schrieb im Newsbeitrag
...

Then let c = 1. There are units systems where that is true.

I have no problems to understand that. The consequence of it is E=m, meaning
that double mass contains double energy and half of the mass contains half
of the energy. What puzzles me is that you can multiply the mass in kg by
the square of the speed of light in m/s and you obtain exacltly the energy
in joule. How is this possible? If it is not a mere coincidence, which it is
not likely to be, how is it possible? What is the explanation of this
extraordinary fact?

I hope you understand my question.

Thanks
Jacques

On May 11, 12:14*pm, "Jacques" wrote:
Hi everybody,

I have a question which bothers me since long time and maybe with your help
I can find the answer at last. Since I heard the formule E=mc^2 for the
first time it struck me that there seems to be no logical relation between
the energy contained in a mass and the speed of *light. I have no
difficulties to understand that the energy contained in a mass is equivalent
to that mass.

My problem is: what the hell has this to do with the speed of something else
(an electromagnetic wave). I cannot see the connection between them. These
two things: mass and energy on one side and the speed of light on the other
side seem too disparate to me to allow a logical link between them.

I wonder, if someone can explain this connection. I wouldn't have been
surprised if the Joule (the unit for energy) had been established in
consequence of this formula, but I think both Joule, kg, m/s were already
existent before E=mc^2.

I learned from Wikipedia that James Joule died in 1889, thus before Einstein
discovered his famous formula, which I think happened in 1905.

Greetings
Jacques

Einstein showed that energy was proportional to mass. The
proportionality constant just happens to be c^2, which is an arbitrary
constant, the square of the speed of light in vacuum. That's all
there is to it. I think you are trying to read a lot more into it
than what is actually there.

On May 11, 1:06*pm, PCB wrote:
N:dlzc D:aol T:com (dlzc) wrote:





Dear Jacques:

"Jacques" wrote in message
...
...
I have a question which bothers me since long time
and maybe with your help I can find the answer at
last. Since I heard the formule E=mc^2 for the first
time it struck me that there seems to be no logical
relation between the energy contained in a mass
and the speed of *light.

How about as a "constant of integration"?

I have no difficulties to understand that the energy
contained in a mass is equivalent to that mass.

Then let c = 1. *There are units systems where that is true. *You

Seems to be wrong: Speed of light is much higher than 1.

1 is like staying still.

No. Zero is like staying still.

There IS NO logical or any other relation "between the energy contained in
a mass and the speed of light" (your words).

'

A moving mass can 'exert,' give off - and thus "contains" - the energy,
equivalent to the size of the mass AND equivalent to the square of the
speed it has - to hit something else with; and that defines energy in
Coarse Particle Physics (CPP).

Newton already formulated that - (but he was wise enough to publish it
before the 'invention' of the Nobel Prize for Physics .

'

Thus it, the mass of the photon, with its speed of light, hits an
electron, and that electron now has obtained the available energy,
as equivalent to mass times velocity squared, from the photon.

In other words, photons are particles (that additionally vibrate as well).

This last sentence they did not pronounce, at your school, I assume - (in
order to discourage or even to disable you from studying physics .

'

It's really very simple - for those with some Sanity - relatively
speaking, of course.

But simplicity and truth is most violently and most intelligently
OPPOSED by the very Insane and Malicious - and with great success.

'

The very highly Insane Einstein, (Albert) has DESTROYED physics,
and the equally Insane Hawking, (Stephen) really finished it off -
the job of (jamming, blocking, diverting) destroying physics.

Tells you more than enough about other "physicists" who worship and who
believe in those very destructive (and in other) gurus, RATHER than to
observe and to think by themselves.


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On Sun, 11 May 2008 18:14:19 +0200, Jacques wrote:

Hi everybody,

I have a question which bothers me since long time and maybe with your
help I can find the answer at last. Since I heard the formule E=mc^2 for
the first time it struck me that there seems to be no logical relation
between the energy contained in a mass and the speed of light. I have no
difficulties to understand that the energy contained in a mass is
equivalent to that mass.

My problem is: what the hell has this to do with the speed of something
else (an electromagnetic wave). I cannot see the connection between them.
These two things: mass and energy on one side and the speed of light on
the other side seem too disparate to me to allow a logical link between
them.

I wonder, if someone can explain this connection. I wouldn't have been
surprised if the Joule (the unit for energy) had been established in
consequence of this formula, but I think both Joule, kg, m/s were already
existent before E=mc^2.

I learned from Wikipedia that James Joule died in 1889, thus before
Einstein discovered his famous formula, which I think happened in 1905.

Greetings
Jacques