On May 10, 9:53 am, www.freedomtofascism.com wrote:
On Sat, 10 May 2008 10:18:43 -0500, Keith L wrote:
BradGuth wrote:
On May 10, 12:03 am, Keith L wrote:

Saul Levy wrote:

Don't confuse him, Don! lmao!

Saul Levy

On Tue, 6 May 2008 11:45:27 -0700 (PDT), Don Stockbauer
wrote:

They faked it from a small asteroid orbiting Alpha Centauri.

C'mon folks, 450,000 people worked on the Apollo project! The British,
Russians, Chinese, and a bunch of other verified the Earth-Moon-Earth
transits and landings. As well as us Ham radio operators with Radio
Astronomy capabilities.

Get real...

KL

Then by all means, do tell where and of how our DARPA/NASA managed to
hide Venus as of missions A-11, A-14 and A-16?

How about all of the original film? Is that too going to become MIA?

Do tell us where those 700 larges boxes of our Apollo missions and
supposed moon landing data has gone.

If not a hoax and if you are not at risk, then what do you silly brown-
nosed folks have to hide, besides the matter of our having to employ
those 450,000 folks (not including whatever the USSR had going),
including our cloak and dagger DARPA of those Semitic Third Reich, for
no apparent good reason.

Are you one of those as going to suggest that our mutual cold-war
wasn't Semitic perpetrated on behalf of job-security and profits for
those in charge?
. - Brad Guth

BTW.... The European Space Agency's SMART-1 Lunar Orbiter has
photographed some of the Apollo landing sites.

Read "End of Conspiracy Theories? Spacecraft Snoops Apollo Moon Sites"
athttp://www.space.com/missionlaunches/050304_moon_snoop.html.

KL

Why don't they want people to know that our solar system is home to more
advanced life than human beings?

Because that would be a very bad kind of anti-faith-based thing to
even suggest as a possibility.

Remember, there's hardly a government on Earth that's not a puppet of
one or more religious cults. It's also the main reason we have
wars.
.. - Brad Guth

On May 10, 8:18 am, Keith L wrote:
BradGuth wrote:
On May 10, 12:03 am, Keith L wrote:

Saul Levy wrote:

Don't confuse him, Don! lmao!

Saul Levy

On Tue, 6 May 2008 11:45:27 -0700 (PDT), Don Stockbauer
wrote:

They faked it from a small asteroid orbiting Alpha Centauri.

C'mon folks, 450,000 people worked on the Apollo project! The British,
Russians, Chinese, and a bunch of other verified the Earth-Moon-Earth
transits and landings. As well as us Ham radio operators with Radio
Astronomy capabilities.

Get real...

KL

Then by all means, do tell where and of how our DARPA/NASA managed to
hide Venus as of missions A-11, A-14 and A-16?

How about all of the original film? Is that too going to become MIA?

Do tell us where those 700 larges boxes of our Apollo missions and
supposed moon landing data has gone.

If not a hoax and if you are not at risk, then what do you silly brown-
nosed folks have to hide, besides the matter of our having to employ
those 450,000 folks (not including whatever the USSR had going),
including our cloak and dagger DARPA of those Semitic Third Reich, for
no apparent good reason.

Are you one of those as going to suggest that our mutual cold-war
wasn't Semitic perpetrated on behalf of job-security and profits for
those in charge?
. - Brad Guth

BTW.... The European Space Agency's SMART-1 Lunar Orbiter has
photographed some of the Apollo landing sites.

Read "End of Conspiracy Theories? Spacecraft Snoops Apollo Moon Sites"
athttp://www.space.com/missionlaunches/050304_moon_snoop.html.

KL

That is very true enough, and the best of SMART-1 also hasn't
contributed one iota worth of independent observationology that's in
support of our DARPA/NASA imposed interpretation.

Besides what all sorts of radar soundings (terrestrial as well as via
satellite), gamma-ray spectrometry data is what tells us the
mineralogy composition of the lunar surface, and oddly the JAXA/Selene
mission of their new and greatly improved gamma-ray spectrometry has
gone rather dead, much like their having turned down and/or entirely
excluded the natural color saturation as otherwise HDTV recorded,
perhaps because of it’s UV secondary/recoil of having such an
unavoidable bluish hue, as well as having thus far excluded most all
of their nearly 3D TC obtained images of 10 m resolution, especially
having excluded any of those frames of our supposed Apollo moon
landing sites.

Our moon doesn’t look all that bluish to the terrestrial eye, mostly
because of the 8+r worth of the lunar sodium saturated atmosphere
that’s continually surrounding and trailing away from our moon, as
well as because of our terrestrial sodium and multitude of so many
other polluted aspects of Earth’s atmosphere.

BTW, even the most common alloys or minerals of iron and titanium
within basalt emit their fair share of gamma when hit by cosmic
energy. In fact, most all substances associated with our physically
dark and naked moon (including its sodium) can’t but help emit those
pesky secondary/recoil photons of gamma, plus many other hard and soft
X-rays to boot.

According to the regular laws of physics, when it comes down to
secondary/recoil photons of gamma and X-rays, it seems that our
physically dark and naked moon that's also electrostatic dusty as all
get out, is perhaps capable of being only a thousand fold worse off
dosage than within any Van Allan badlands. Remember that there’s not
all that much of heavy particle density per m3 within them Van Allen
belts for receiving the same cosmic and solar energy to interact and
thus badly react with creating those same secondary/recoil photons,
but on the other hand, it seems our naked moon has lots of good naked
surface density/m3 to offer.
. – Brad Guth

On Sat, 10 May 2008 11:03:12 -0700 (PDT), BradGuth
wrote:

On May 10, 9:53 am, www.freedomtofascism.com wrote:
On Sat, 10 May 2008 10:18:43 -0500, Keith L wrote:
BradGuth wrote:
On May 10, 12:03 am, Keith L wrote:

Saul Levy wrote:

Don't confuse him, Don! lmao!

Saul Levy

On Tue, 6 May 2008 11:45:27 -0700 (PDT), Don Stockbauer
wrote:

They faked it from a small asteroid orbiting Alpha Centauri.

C'mon folks, 450,000 people worked on the Apollo project! The British,
Russians, Chinese, and a bunch of other verified the Earth-Moon-Earth
transits and landings. As well as us Ham radio operators with Radio
Astronomy capabilities.

Get real...

KL

Then by all means, do tell where and of how our DARPA/NASA managed to
hide Venus as of missions A-11, A-14 and A-16?

How about all of the original film? Is that too going to become MIA?

Do tell us where those 700 larges boxes of our Apollo missions and
supposed moon landing data has gone.

If not a hoax and if you are not at risk, then what do you silly brown-
nosed folks have to hide, besides the matter of our having to employ
those 450,000 folks (not including whatever the USSR had going),
including our cloak and dagger DARPA of those Semitic Third Reich, for
no apparent good reason.

Are you one of those as going to suggest that our mutual cold-war
wasn't Semitic perpetrated on behalf of job-security and profits for
those in charge?
. - Brad Guth

BTW.... The European Space Agency's SMART-1 Lunar Orbiter has
photographed some of the Apollo landing sites.

Read "End of Conspiracy Theories? Spacecraft Snoops Apollo Moon Sites"
athttp://www.space.com/missionlaunches/050304_moon_snoop.html.

KL

Why don't they want people to know that our solar system is home to more
advanced life than human beings?

Because that would be a very bad kind of anti-faith-based thing to
even suggest as a possibility.

Remember, there's hardly a government on Earth that's not a puppet of
one or more religious cults. It's also the main reason we have
wars.

Even the elite of the planet know that religion is horse **** -- they
invented as a tool to keep people fighting with each other. That is how
they create money.

Isn't it true that the elites have never figured out a way to accept
advanced technology and keep their fiat money system?

Wasn't it JP Morgan who had Tesla killed because he couldn't figure a way to
put a meter on free energy in order to charge people money for it?

On Sat, 10 May 2008 11:10:41 -0700 (PDT), BradGuth
wrote:

DARPA/NASA imposed interpretation.

Aren't DARPA and NASA in a conflict of interest given they work to earn
money and gear all of their efforts to the same rather than scientific
achievement?

"www.freedomtofascism.com" wrote in message
news | On Sat, 10 May 2008 11:10:41 -0700 (PDT), BradGuth
| wrote:
|
| DARPA/NASA imposed interpretation.
|
| Aren't DARPA and NASA in a conflict of interest given they work to earn
| money and gear all of their efforts to the same rather than scientific
| achievement?

1) NASA and DARPA have no interest in scientific achievement per se.
One is concerned with aviation, it is also responsible for long-term
civilian
and military aerospace research and the other with defence, notably
the development of new technology for use by the military.

2) Nobody in either government organisation can truly be said to "work" to
earn money (which comes from taxation). Whoever heard of a civil servant
working (aside from the mailman, perhaps)?

Just to change the sub-ject, (not the topic):

I just saw a documentary in germany which could erase all the doubts caused
by the flag, the shadows, the missing stars, etc. ff.
But then I have seen the official movie two weeks ago in LA of the landing
preparation, the orbiting capsule descending to the moon with 2.600 miles/h
orbiting speed, and the accident Armstrong had in May 69 with the training
shuttle on earth, now I m again in doubts.....

Regards

Gerry

"recoil" is a bad analogy to use for electromagnetic intereaction,
as a consequence of "photon;" the only aspect of light,
that is *corpuscular*, is probably the Compton effect -- but
I'll have to do some more reading on that (since
I only just had a "liberal arts college physics" text with that,
limited to about three sentences). I mean,
there certainly is a reason that Einstein got his Nobel
for this *gedanken* of Planck's idea, and not relativity, S or G. I
mean,
is there really any general recoiling, when an atom abosrbs a quantum
of light, other than the outer electron going
to a higher orbital?

anyway, all of your stuff on "gamma" radiation appears
to not involve any experimental work, either in the lab
or the field; truly, you are a child of DARPA (and NASA,
via Dick Hoagland and the Big Faces;
summa cum laude quad cogito post hoc ergo erat demonstrandum !-)

http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2001/ast24may_1.htm


thus:
so, did you recalibrate the orbital constraints
in your JPL publicdomain trajectories,
to include the phasal parameter "as 'seen' from Earth?..."
was Venus closer to conjunction or opposition
to Earth, during those alleged missions?
Where's Venus (from orbit or surface EVA) as of missions A-11, A-14
and A-16?

--Harry of Darfuria, Episode 8 (Deuterocanonicos): Prisoners of the
Guantanamo Episcopate!
http://larouchepub.com/pr/2008/08050..._food_res.html
http://larouchepub.com/pr/2008/080426gore_ethanol.html
http://larouchepub.com/pr_lar/2008/l...ls_v_food.html
http://larouchepub.com/pr/2008/08050...larouches.html
http://larouchepub.com/pr_lar/2008/l...rank_hbpa.html

"We Cesspools are not to be sniffed at!"
—Lady Cesspool in Al Capp's "Li'l Abner" Cartoon Strip

It has been frequently observed, that that capacity for evil which is
specific to creatures such as H.G. Wells and Bertrand Russell, among
similar such notables, is limited to a kind of voluntary powers given
to human beings, that being a power of which the beasts are innocent.
The perfect illustration of this point, which I develop here, is that
of the current, evil intention of the British Empire, as expressed by
the current imperialist plot associated with the draft Lisbon Treaty.

On the one side, such voluntary powers are expressed, when they are
for the good, by the special quality of modern great discoverers from
among such European scientific figures as Nicholas of Cusa, Leonardo
da Vinci, Johannes Kepler, Pierre de Fermat, Gottfried Leibniz, et al.
http://larouchepub.com/lar/2008/3519wells_cesspool.html

ah, you actually read what I typed; so, now,
address the question of the representation of a planet,
within your JPL-share-ware planetarium/headbasket, please:
where is the phase of Venus, as seen by Galileo etc. ??

such within a given FOV that included either the horizon of our moon
or that of Earth.

Clue; *planets are not stars, and not that the extremely bluish and
vibrant Sirius shouldn't have been easily recorded within the dynamic
range of that unfiltered Kodak film.

thus:
"recoil" is a bad analogy to use for electromagnetic intereaction,
as a consequence of "photon;" the only aspect of light,
that is *corpuscular*, is probably the Compton effect -- but
I'll have to do some more reading on that (since
I only just had a "liberal arts college physics" text with that,
limited to about three sentences). I mean,
there certainly is a reason to why, Einstein got his Nobel
for this *gedanken* of Planck's idea, and not for relativity, S or G.
I mean,
is there really any general recoiling, when an atom abosrbs a quantum
of light, other than the outer electron going
to a higher orbital?

anyway, all of your stuff on "gamma" radiation appears
to not involve any experimental work, either in the lab
or the field; truly, you are a child of DARPA (and NASA,
via Dick Hoagland and the Big Faces;
summa cum laude quad cogito post hoc ergo erat demonstrandum !-)
http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2001/ast24may_1.htm

thus:
so, did you recalibrate the orbital constraints
in your JPL publicdomain trajectories,
to include the phasal parameter "as 'seen' from Earth?..."
was Venus closer to conjunction or opposition
to Earth, during those alleged missions?
Where's Venus (from orbit or surface EVA) as of missions A-11, A-14
and A-16?

--Harry of Darfuria, Episode 8 (Deuterocanonicos): Prisoners of the
Guantanamo Episcopate!
http://larouchepub.com/pr/2008/08050..._food_res.html
http://larouchepub.com/pr/2008/080426gore_ethanol.html
http://larouchepub.com/pr_lar/2008/l...ls_v_food.html
http://larouchepub.com/pr/2008/08050...larouches.html
http://larouchepub.com/pr_lar/2008/l...rank_hbpa.html

"We Cesspools are not to be sniffed at!"
—Lady Cesspool in Al Capp's "Li'l Abner" Cartoon Strip

It has been frequently observed, that that capacity for evil which is
specific to creatures such as H.G. Wells and Bertrand Russell, among
similar such notables, is limited to a kind of voluntary powers given
to human beings, that being a power of which the beasts are innocent.
The perfect illustration of this point, which I develop here, is that
of the current, evil intention of the British Empire, as expressed by
the current imperialist plot associated with the draft Lisbon Treaty.

On the one side, such voluntary powers are expressed, when they are
for the good, by the special quality of modern great discoverers from
among such European scientific figures as Nicholas of Cusa, Leonardo
da Vinci, Johannes Kepler, Pierre de Fermat, Gottfried Leibniz, et al.
http://larouchepub.com/lar/2008/3519wells_cesspool.html

On May 10, 2:37 pm, "news.arcor.de" wrote:
Just to change the sub-ject, (not the topic):

I just saw a documentary in germany which could erase all the doubts caused
by the flag, the shadows, the missing stars, etc. ff.
But then I have seen the official movie two weeks ago in LA of the landing
preparation, the orbiting capsule descending to the moon with 2.600 miles/h
orbiting speed, and the accident Armstrong had in May 69 with the training
shuttle on earth, now I m again in doubts.....

Regards

Gerry

There's lots of fly-by-rocket doubts, supported by a total lack of R&D
proof via much of anything from NASA/Apollo as well as from the USSR
AI/robotic ability to supposedly deorbit, sustain a controlled down-
range and accomplish each of their soft landings with a continually
shifting CG without momentum reaction wheels or so much a getting a
scratch, not to mention keeping the entire package on top of all the
electrostatic charged dust that should have been absolutely crystal
dry, fairly deep in flat or low places, and nearly as dark as coal,
plus then having to be continually cooled-off from the surrounding
double-IR and sufficiently shielded from all of the unavoidable gamma
and X-ray saturated environment that's not exactly human DNA
friendly.
.. - Brad Guth

On May 10, 2:31 pm, "Androcles" wrote:
"www.freedomtofascism.com" wrote in message

news | On Sat, 10 May 2008 11:10:41 -0700 (PDT), BradGuth | wrote:

|
| DARPA/NASA imposed interpretation.
|
| Aren't DARPA and NASA in a conflict of interest given they work to earn
| money and gear all of their efforts to the same rather than scientific
| achievement?

1) NASA and DARPA have no interest in scientific achievement per se.
One is concerned with aviation, it is also responsible for long-term
civilian
and military aerospace research and the other with defence, notably
the development of new technology for use by the military.

2) Nobody in either government organisation can truly be said to "work" to
earn money (which comes from taxation). Whoever heard of a civil servant
working (aside from the mailman, perhaps)?

It was and still is terrific job and loads of benefits security (as
badly needed after WWII, especially if you were a Semitic Third Reich
rocket and physics wizard in need of a new identity). Nice work if
you can get it, except as you say there's no real work taking place,
other than PR and cloak and dagger stuff that we also get to pay for
in many ways other than just our hard earned loot.
.. - Brad Guth