On May 8, 1:23 am, Martin Hogbin wrote:
Koobee Wublee wrote:
On May 7, 4:14 pm, Martin Hogbin wrote:
Eric Gisse wrote:

The purpose of your reply eludes me.
Try asking him the question that none of the moon
landing conspiracy crackpots can answer;

what exactly
do you claim really happened and who was in on it?

You are avoiding the issue.

No, that is the issue. If you cannot say what you
believe was actually done you have no case.



All I got was a few grunts in reply.

You have erroneously interpreted them as grunts.

They were not answers to my question. Neither is your
reply - it is pure bluff and bluster.

That is because of
your strong BELIEF IN what you have been taught in the first place and
also very strong peer pressures.

I am waiting for you to set me straight. What really
happened in your opinion.

Martin Hogbin

Apparently you consider the regular laws of physics and the best
available worth of independently peer replicated science as "pure
bluff and bluster". Now that's every bit as interesting as all get
out.

What happened is that the USSR and those of our DARPA/NASA tried every
good, bad and ugly trick in the book at keeping as many of their own
kind fully employed and fully benefited for all they could muster. In
other words, the rest of us village idiots got snookered and
subsequently dumbfounded past the point of no return.

The USSR only sort of lost our mutually perpetrated cold-war game,
though only because we had managed to first run them out of business
(so to speak) by having cut off as much of the global market as
possible, as well as having forced the USSR to run through most every
last bit of their national energy and food resources by way of having
diverted the best of Russian talents in the process, as well as this
mutual cloak and dagger process having taken much of our best
resources and public loot to boot, of which then needed to be financed
by the 3200% of energy inflation that we see today.
.. - Brad Guth

On May 8, 12:50 pm, Koobee Wublee wrote:
On May 8, 1:23 am, Martin Hogbin wrote:

Koobee Wublee wrote:
That is because of
your strong BELIEF IN what you have been taught in the first place and
also very strong peer pressures.

I am waiting for you to set me straight. What really
happened in your opinion.

It is not up to me to find out what happened. shrug

The information and analyses I have done only tells if the claimed
manned missions did happen or not, and it is a definitely no. So,
apparently, you do not understand what I said. I have to repeat
myself.

There is no such thing as conspiracy theory or crackpots. You are
either wrong or right. Sometimes, it is subjective. Sometimes, it is
going against what is normally believed. For example, we have this
scenario where most people believe in the God of butterflies being
supreme. Now, someone comes along and claims the God of spiders being
the most supreme instead. This someone will be regarded as a crackpot
and a conspiracy nutcase. shrug

You have erroneously interpreted them as grunts. That is because of
your strong BELIEF IN what you have been taught in the first place and
also very strong peer pressures. If your peers believe in the God of
butterflies, and you believe in the God of spiders, you are going to
feel pressure from your peers.

The subject on manned moon missions can only be decided with more
scientific investigations. Unable to face any scientific inquiries
into the matter, you have resorted to faith. You have called and
tried to dismiss the ones bringing up the questionable events as
conspiracy crackpots. You have lost your scientific methodology in
doing so. shrug

Going back to the manned moon landing claim, the Apollo manned
missions were the only ones that have gone beyond the low earth orbit
in which the environment enjoys a relatively benign radiation of 10
RADs per year. The Apollo manned missions were also the only ones
that have supposedly gone into the Van Allen Belts and beyond. The
shuttle program only calls out for missions in the low earth orbit.
With relatively and vastly more sophisticated hardware, the shuttle
program is plagued with problems after problems while the Apollo
missions have gone in perfect performance except the staged mission 13
which the problem miraculously happened on the 13th mission, the 13th
hour, the 13th minute, and the 13th second.

The Van Allen Belts represent deadly radiation zones that miraculous
shielded all harmful solar and cosmic radiation from the living
organisms of earth. Beyond these belts, the radiation is not as
severe as in it. However, it is still deadly. The earlier deep space
probes namely the Viking and the Mariner missions did not pay very
much attention to the radiation of deep space. These probes did not
last very long. However, Pioneer and Voyagers did have their
electronics hardened for the deadly radiation. To give you an
example, the geosynchronous satellites have to withstand a radiation
of 300kRADs or more per year beyond the Van Allen Belts. The
following link should cast no doubt on this radiation amount. Each
year, the sun sheds some of its mass (2-3E-14 solar mass) with each
proton having an average energy of 1keV.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_wind

That is why semiconductor vendors such as Intersil sell devices that
can withstand some or all these radiation. Check them out.

http://www.intersil.com/military/radhardlist.asp

This is a scientific method of exposing Apollo manned missions being
an elaborate hoax. What is your scientific method of countering
this? None, so you have to resort to faith, right? shrug

Telling our resident spook/mole "Martin Hogbin" the actual truth and
nothing but the truth is clearly not working, mostly because he's
either one of the DARPA minion bad-guys or he's not quite as smart as
a 5th grader (possibly both).
.. - Brad Guth

BradGuth wrote:
On May 8, 12:36 pm, Martin Hogbin wrote:
BradGuth wrote:

Well, we are making progress. About a thousand
conspirators, you say.

So what did they do?

Having the official means, motive and opportunity, they did whatever
they could with the best available technology and expertise of their
cloak and dagger day, in order to create the illusion of our having
landed upon and having walked for hours upon hours unscaved upon that
physically dark as coal moon of ours.

You are making a meal of this. What was it that they did?

Martin Hogbin

Koobee Wublee wrote:
On May 8, 1:23 am, Martin Hogbin wrote:
Koobee Wublee wrote:

That is because of
your strong BELIEF IN what you have been taught in the first place and
also very strong peer pressures.
I am waiting for you to set me straight. What really
happened in your opinion.

It is not up to me to find out what happened. shrug

So you have no theory at all?? End of story.

Martin Hogbin

BradGuth wrote:
On May 8, 12:50 pm, Koobee Wublee wrote:
On May 8, 1:23 am, Martin Hogbin wrote:

Telling our resident spook/mole "Martin Hogbin" the actual truth and
nothing but the truth

You have told me nothing, except that there were around
1000 conspirators. I eagerly await the rest of the
'truth'.

Martin Hogbin

BradGuth wrote:
On May 8, 1:27 am, Martin Hogbin wrote:
BradGuth wrote:
On May 7, 1:27 am, Martin Hogbin wrote:
BradGuth wrote:
On May 6, 10:36 am, Martin Hogbin wrote:
Martin Hogbin wrote:
wrote:
Compare the the below authentic pictures of the Lunar surface with the
fake ones from the Apollo hoax.
Tell me this then. What _exactly_ did happen?
It is telling that no one has answered this simple
question. If the mood landings were faked, how exactly
did they do it. This is the question the moon landing
conspiracy crackpots cannot answer.
Martin Hogbin
Finding one fault with the NASA/Apollo holy grail is all it takes.
We've found dozens of faults. Your being in denial of being in denial
isn't helping, is it.
I cannot be in denial - you have not given me anything
to deny.
Denial of your denial is where you start to appreciate the greater
truth and consequences of your actions.
What actions?

Why will you not anser my question?

Martin Hogbin

It can be proven, they had motive, means and opportunity.

To do what???

Martin Hogbin

On May 8, 3:16 pm, Martin Hogbin wrote:
BradGuth wrote:
On May 8, 1:27 am, Martin Hogbin wrote:
BradGuth wrote:
On May 7, 1:27 am, Martin Hogbin wrote:
BradGuth wrote:
On May 6, 10:36 am, Martin Hogbin wrote:
Martin Hogbin wrote:
wrote:
Compare the the below authentic pictures of the Lunar surface with the
fake ones from the Apollo hoax.
Tell me this then. What _exactly_ did happen?
It is telling that no one has answered this simple
question. If the mood landings were faked, how exactly
did they do it. This is the question the moon landing
conspiracy crackpots cannot answer.
Martin Hogbin
Finding one fault with the NASA/Apollo holy grail is all it takes.
We've found dozens of faults. Your being in denial of being in denial
isn't helping, is it.
I cannot be in denial - you have not given me anything
to deny.
Denial of your denial is where you start to appreciate the greater
truth and consequences of your actions.
What actions?

Why will you not anser my question?

Martin Hogbin

It can be proven, they had motive, means and opportunity.

To do what???

Martin Hogbin

Aren't you being a cute little brown-nosed clown. Hitler would have
been proud of his minion, just like DARPA and your boss GW Bush are
each proud as punch.

When you finally manage to become as smart as a 5th grader, we'll
talk. (though I'm not holding my breath)

BTW, as of 8+ years ago, it seems I too was just as snookered and
dumbfounded as yourself. Go figure.
.. - Brad Guth

On May 8, 3:13 pm, Martin Hogbin wrote:
BradGuth wrote:
On May 8, 12:50 pm, Koobee Wublee wrote:
On May 8, 1:23 am, Martin Hogbin wrote:

Telling our resident spook/mole "Martin Hogbin" the actual truth and
nothing but the truth

You have told me nothing, except that there were around
1000 conspirators. I eagerly await the rest of the
'truth'.

And so would most of the world that's in total shock and awe as to how
pathetic if not dumb and dumber this once great nation has become,
with England in hot pursuit.

Obviously you don't believe in the regular laws of physics, or in any
kind of science as evidence unless it's DARPA/NASA certified. It
seems that you and others of your kind would have made darn good brown-
nosed minions for Hitler, just as your services have been providing
for MI5/CIA as well as GW Bush and company.

What's in it for me, or for you?

I assume you'd want specific names, places, dates and the usual hour
by hour of every tidbit of any paper trail as to where all this cloak
and dagger cold-war effort and subsequent DARPA/NASA loot went. Of
course that would be 99.9% more than we seem to know about how the
hell 911 came to past and subsequently gotten ourselves into Iraq,
having ever since screwed most everything up for the entire world.

On the other hand, why exactly do you care either way? (are you one of
those at risk?)

What if anything would you have done differently if having known the
whole truth, or as of having since known the truth?

Are you in charge of anything that matters, or do you simply want a
piece of the action??
.. - Brad Guth

On May 8, 3:10 pm, Martin Hogbin wrote:
Koobee Wublee wrote:
On May 8, 1:23 am, Martin Hogbin wrote:
Koobee Wublee wrote:

That is because of
your strong BELIEF IN what you have been taught in the first place and
also very strong peer pressures.
I am waiting for you to set me straight. What really
happened in your opinion.

It is not up to me to find out what happened. shrug

So you have no theory at all?? End of story.

Martin Hogbin

Spoken like a good little Semitic Third Reich.

I've posted many theories as to the NASA/Apollo moon landing hoax, all
of which based upon the regular laws of physics and best available
science, so I guess they don't count.
.. - Brad Guth

On May 8, 3:08 pm, Martin Hogbin wrote:
BradGuth wrote:
On May 8, 12:36 pm, Martin Hogbin wrote:
BradGuth wrote:
Well, we are making progress. About a thousand
conspirators, you say.

So what did they do?

Having the official means, motive and opportunity, they did whatever
they could with the best available technology and expertise of their
cloak and dagger day, in order to create the illusion of our having
landed upon and having walked for hours upon hours unscaved upon that
physically dark as coal moon of ours.

You are making a meal of this. What was it that they did?

Martin Hogbin

They did pretty much everything except land upon and EVA walk upon our
physically dark and nasty moon.

I'm even pretty well convinced that Apollo mission A-13 did its better
than half orbit of the moon, and safely returned home, because at
least that much was technically and biologically doable without too
much smoke and mirrors.
.. - Brad Guth