George Hammond wrote:
On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 14:41:52 +0000 (UTC),
(Michael Moroney) wrote:

George Hammond wrote:

13-2nd order factors = 13 Olympian gods of the
Greco-Roman Pantheon
Which god crashed the Dodekatheon?


[Hammond]
Modern Science (HAMMOND, 2003) has discovered the origin
of the ancient Greek DODEKATHEON (The 12 Olympian gods).
Hammond discovered this when he noticed that there are 13
second order Factors (eigenvectors) in EVERY large
Psychometric correlation matrix. These are typically
100x100 symmetric Pearson correlation matrices, and are
diagonalized using large computers and the eigenvectors
automatically extracted.
Hammond discovered that sure enough, when you take the
arccosine of the Pearson intercorrelation coefficients
between the 13 eigenvectors, one finds that the exactly
reproduce the mutual angles between the 13 COMMON symmetry
axes of a CUBE...!! (Hammond, peer published 1994):

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Hammond G.E (1994) The Cartesian Theory, in
New Ideas In Psychology, Vol 12(2) 153-167
Pergamon Press. Online copy of peer/published
paper is posted at:
http://geocities.com/scientific_proof_of_god/cart.html
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Hence, Hammond has proven that the legendary Greek
DODEKATHEON is a CUBE...! (Incidentally, this scientific
discovery leads directly to the world's first scientific
proof of God, Hammond 2003)
Incidentally, the Greek Dodekatheon descended from the
Egyptian Dodekatheon and the Greek Dodekatheon was
subsequently adopted by the Romans and the names changed.
Same CUBIC STRUCTURE of Religion in all 3 ancient classical
civilizations.... today this discovery by Hammond, is known
as the discovery of the Structural Model of Personality,
which has been the object of research ever since Hippocrates
the Father of Medicine said there was such a thing 2,500
years ago. Hammond is of course, is still waiting for his
Nobel Prize and currently languishing on Welfare arguing
with kooks on Usenet about the scientific proof of God while
physicists, psychologists and theologians continue to
twiddle their thumbs.
No they looked at the proof, had a good laugh and went back to
doing useful science, not the babble you are producing.


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On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 00:13:31 GMT, "John Smith"
wrote:


[John Ratsmith]
That's only YOUR mentally corrupt and insane delusion!

Just the same toilet crap you've always bellowed .. nothing more!

Of course not - it's based on your own insane, psychotic delusions.

Certainly not by you ............ **** for brains.


[Hammond]
Screw jackass; you had your chance, you have nothing to say.
I'm not replying you any further.
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George Hammond writes:

On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 23:06:21 +0000 (UTC),
(Michael Moroney) wrote:

Modern Science (HAMMOND, 2003) has discovered the origin
of the ancient Greek DODEKATHEON (The 12 Olympian gods).

You can't very well claim that the number 13 is somehow
special to religions because the Greeks had 12 gods in
their dodekatheon, now can you? The membership varied
but the membership was always limited to 12. Look at the
word itself - DODEKAtheon!

The Egyptian pantheon had approximetely a dozen demigods.

About 60, from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptian_pantheon.

The Roman Pantheon had approximately a dozen demigods and

Easily several dozen.

the Greek Pantheon had approximately a dozen demigods, and

Easily several dozen. Thousands when you count individuals described as
part of a group. The Titans Oceanus and Tethys had 3,000 sons and 3,000
daughers alone (the Oceanids). I'll let you count them all up.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_...the_Greek_gods

the REASON for this is that there are PRECISELY 13 SYMMETRY
AXES IN A CUBE.

We won't discuss which orifice you pulled that statement from.

SCIENTIFICALLY,

Wrong.

there are exactly 13 "demigods" in Religion.

So far you haven't come up with *any* religion with exactly (or even about)
13 demigods.

The ancient GREEKS were actually one god short. 7%
accuracy was good enough in their day.... modern science
requires greater accuracy, so 13 is the correct number of
demigods.

Do you really make this up as you go along? I hate to break the news to
you, but the ancient Greeks were good in math. They were able to count to
12 and to 13, and they counted exactly 12 (not 13) gods in their
Dodekatheon. You're right in that modern science requires greater
accuracy, so you have to find a religion with exactly 13 demigods (not 12,
and not 14) if you even wish to have a chance of a dry ice snowball's
chance in hell. You better also find some religion with 30 demigods (not
29, not 31). Not that the count of gods is any form of science, but we'll
let you pretend it is.

"George Hammond" wrote in message
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On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 00:13:31 GMT, "John Smith"
wrote:


[John Ratsmith]
That's only YOUR mentally corrupt and insane delusion!

Just the same toilet crap you've always bellowed .. nothing more!

Of course not - it's based on your own insane, psychotic delusions.

Certainly not by you ............ **** for brains.


[Hammond]
Screw jackass; you had your chance, you have nothing to say.
I'm not replying you any further.

Heard THAT crap lie before too!.
Have you EVER said anything that wasn't eityher insane, or a lie - or both?

On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 01:09:01 +0100, "Andy F."
wrote:


[Andy F.]
There's a human opinion based on sensory perception that the universe has
been around for billions of years.

[Hammond]
There is overwhelming evidence based on scientific
deduction that *IF* a person existed a billion years ago,
then he would have indeed observed the Universe to exist. I
throughly agree with that and anybody who doesn't is
certifiably either crazy or incompetent.

[Andy F.]
This means the universe existed before
humans did.


[Hammond]
WRONG, DEAD WRONG ANDY.

1) The "existence", of anything, depends entirely on the
sensory perception of Man. There IS NO definition
of the word "existence" that is independent of the
action of a HUMAN observer.
Proof: If all men died tomorrow at 9am, there
would no longer be any way to ascertain at 9:01am
if ANYTHING whatsoever "existed". The word
"existence" has no meaning whatsoever
without the existence of human beings.

2) But what your statement above says, is that
circumstantial evidence indicates (indeed
conclusively) that *IF* a human observer existed
a billion years ago, then he "would have" observed
that the Universe "existed". And I thoroughly
agree with that statement.

3) However, in point of fact, no such human observer
did exist a billion years ago, therefore, by paragraph
1 above, the Universe actually did *NOT* "exist"
a billion years ago.... even though it "would have"
if anybody was around to see it.

[Andy F.]
So it's not possible for humans to have created the universe.


[Hammond]
Wrong again.
The above proof demonstrates conclusively that Man
"caused" the Universe to come into "existence" since ONLY A
HUMAN can confirm that anything "exists".
In short, "existence" is a PROPERTY of the human mind. No
people, no existence, of anything!
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On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 17:30:16 -0700, none ""doug\"@(none)"
wrote:


No they looked at the proof, had a good laugh and went back to
doing useful science, not the babble you are producing.


[Hammond]
Nobody's laughing except wimps like you who've gone cutsie
on me.
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On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 02:46:13 +0000 (UTC),
(Michael Moroney) wrote:

George Hammond writes:

On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 23:06:21 +0000 (UTC),
(Michael Moroney) wrote:

[Hammond]
Modern Science (HAMMOND, 2003) has discovered the origin
of the ancient Greek DODEKATHEON (The 12 Olympian gods).

[Hammond]
The Egyptian pantheon had approximetely a dozen demigods.


[Hammond]
Na.... the 12 "canonical gods" (personality types) were
graphically depicted as men with the heads of various
animals:

Horus (Falcon)
Anubis (Jackal)
Seth (Dog)
Knum (ram)
Khepri (Beetle)
Sobek (Crockadile)
Bastet (Cat)
Nun (Frog)
Wadjet (Cobra)
Hapy (Baboon)
Sekhmet (Lion)
Taweret (Hippopotamus)


About 60, from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptian_pantheon.


[Hammond]
There were many duplicate gods using the same animal but
given a different name, plus various "small fry" gods.

The Roman Pantheon had approximately a dozen demigods and

Easily several dozen.

[Hammond]
Na....the 12 "canonical Roman gods" a Jupiter, Juno,
Neptune, Ceres, Mars, Mercury, Vulcan, Venus, Minerva,
Apollo, Diana and Vesta.


the Greek Pantheon had approximately a dozen demigods, and

Easily several dozen.


[Hammond]
Na....the 12 "canonical Greek gods" a Zeus, Hera,
Poseidon, Demeter, Ares, Hermes, Hephaestus, Aphrodite,
Athena, Apollo, Artemis, Hestia




Thousands when you count individuals described as
part of a group. The Titans Oceanus and Tethys had 3,000 sons and 3,000
daughers alone (the Oceanids). I'll let you count them all up.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_...the_Greek_gods



[Hammond]
We're not interested in "small fry" gods made up by Joe
Blow some local artist.


the REASON for this is that there are PRECISELY 13 SYMMETRY
AXES IN A CUBE.


The ancient GREEKS were actually one god short. 7%
accuracy was good enough in their day.... modern science
requires greater accuracy, so 13 is the correct number of
demigods.

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"George Hammond" wrote in message
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On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 01:09:01 +0100, "Andy F."
wrote:


[Andy F.]
There's a human opinion based on sensory perception that the universe has
been around for billions of years.

[Hammond]
There is overwhelming evidence based on scientific
deduction that *IF* a person existed a billion years ago,
then he would have indeed observed the Universe to exist. I
throughly agree with that and anybody who doesn't is
certifiably either crazy or incompetent.

[Andy F.]
This means the universe existed before
humans did.


[Hammond]
WRONG, DEAD WRONG ANDY.

1) The "existence", of anything, depends entirely on the
sensory perception of Man. There IS NO definition
of the word "existence" that is independent of the
action of a HUMAN observer.
Proof: If all men died tomorrow at 9am, there
would no longer be any way to ascertain at 9:01am
if ANYTHING whatsoever "existed". The word
"existence" has no meaning whatsoever
without the existence of human beings.

2) But what your statement above says, is that
circumstantial evidence indicates (indeed
conclusively) that *IF* a human observer existed
a billion years ago, then he "would have" observed
that the Universe "existed". And I thoroughly
agree with that statement.

An event has to happen BEFORE it can be observed.The light from an object
has to travel to your eyes before you can see it.
If the object is close by, this takes a few billionths of a second.When you
look at the sun, you're seeing what was there 8 minutes ago.And if you look
through a powerful telescope, you can observe events which hapened millions
of years ago.

3) However, in point of fact, no such human observer
did exist a billion years ago, therefore, by paragraph
1 above, the Universe actually did *NOT* "exist"
a billion years ago.... even though it "would have"
if anybody was around to see it.

[Andy F.]
So it's not possible for humans to have created the universe.


[Hammond]
Wrong again.
The above proof demonstrates conclusively that Man
"caused" the Universe to come into "existence" since ONLY A
HUMAN can confirm that anything "exists".
In short, "existence" is a PROPERTY of the human mind. No
people, no existence, of anything!

But a human can't confirm that something exists until after it exists.Which
would make it logically impossible for anything to come into existence.

George Hammond writes:

On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 02:46:13 +0000 (UTC),
(Michael Moroney) wrote:

George Hammond writes:

The Egyptian pantheon had approximetely a dozen demigods.

About 60, from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptian_pantheon.

Na.... the 12 "canonical gods" (personality types) were
graphically depicted as men with the heads of various
animals:

You _did_ say a dozen _demigods_, a term which technically excludes the
full-blown gods and godesses. But if you get to pick and choose which
are on and not on your list, it's hard to argue with that. It is rather
interesting that despite making it up as you go along, you choose 12 and
not 13, thus disproving yourself.

The Roman Pantheon had approximately a dozen demigods and

Easily several dozen.

Na....the 12 "canonical Roman gods" a

Again, you did state demigod, not god, and you chose 12 and not 13.

the Greek Pantheon had approximately a dozen demigods, and

Easily several dozen.

Na....the 12 "canonical Greek gods" a

Once again, you did state demigod, not god, and you chose 12 and not 13
by chosing one grouping of the Dodeketheon.

We're not interested in "small fry" gods made up by Joe
Blow some local artist.

So why did you specify 'demigod'? Besides, all those gods were as much a
part of the Greek religion as Apollo.

the REASON for this is that there are PRECISELY 13 SYMMETRY
AXES IN A CUBE.

Except three times in a row, you come up with 12 and not 13 gods.
Or do you redefine the word "twelve" to mean "thirteen", just like you
redefine the word "exist" to try to prove your point?

The ancient GREEKS were actually one god short. 7%
accuracy was good enough in their day.... modern science
requires greater accuracy, so 13 is the correct number of
demigods.

No answer to the rest of my post? Does that mean you realize I am correct
and just want to argue who should/shouldn't be on the list of demigods?
No list of religions with 30 demigods? Won't share your scientific
sounding gibberish generation technique with us?

On Apr 23, 1:46*pm, "Andy F." wrote:


An event has to happen BEFORE it can be observed.The light from an object
has to travel to your eyes before you can see it.
If the object is close by, this takes a few billionths of a second.When you
look at the sun, you're seeing what was there 8 minutes ago.And if you look
through a powerful telescope, you can observe events which hapened millions
of years ago.


Ouch! waiting in anticipation for GH to respond to that.

The universe around us is created by human perception. I agree with
this in the sense that humans "conjure" the universe out of a chaotic
background of overlapping interference patterns and through the act of
observation, give form and solidity to this reality, but why do we
create a history that according to GH does not exist. This is a bit
like the preacher who, when confronted by evidence of dinosaur bones,
claims that god put them there, already pre-aged at several hundred
millions of years old.

Start thinking GH