On Wed, 07 May 2008 08:16:34 -0700, none ""doug\"@(none)"
wrote:

George Hammond wrote:
On Mon, 05 May 2008 19:56:00 -0700, none ""doug\"@(none)"
wrote:


Sheesh Mark.So he isnt saying a real God exists, just that our lack of
growth makes us think there is one and creates the false illusion?



[Hammond]
WRONG..... there IS NO ILLUSION.....!!!!
Our lack of growth creates a REAL GOD, the actual God of the
Bible. It has nothing to do with "thinking"it has to do
with actual "SEEING".


[Doug, dubious physics PhD claimant. SPOG heckler]
So man created god through his ignorance?


[Hammond]
Quit flaunting your asinine stupidity! The Secular Trend
Growth Deficit has nothing to do with ignorance. The
Secular Trend is caused by the entire history of the
Standard of Living, mainly neutrition for the past 200,000
years. It's BIOLOGICAL ****head! In the 3rd world in areas
of chronic historic starvation the gowth deficit is near 50%
in some places; 3 year olds the size of infants! Wise up or
get off this thread, phony PhD.



[Doug, dubious physics PhD claimant. SPOG heckler]
That kind of insultsthe christian god doesn't it? Why
would it be the christian god and not Odin or Zeus or
Baal or some other god? You see now the leaps of
faith you are using to get to your desiredconclusion.



[Hammond]
Get the f--- outta here ignoramus! Zeus, Baal, Odin are
all 2nd order eigenvectors of the Structural Model in
Psychometry which is UNIVERSAL, the Christian "God" is a
SINGLE 4th Order eigenvector. You don't know what your
talking about, you sound like an ignorant high school
dropout not a scientist!




[Doug, alleged PhD physicist, SPOG skeptic]
So this means that the christians have slower reflexes than
the hindus and buddhists?


[Hammond]
WRONG.... obviously..... Unicef, WHOI and academic
research has well documented the fact that the SECULAR TREND
GROWTH DEFICIT is much larger in Third World countries than
it is in the Chrisitian West....



[Doug, dubious physics PhD claimant. SPOG heckler]
This is an astonishingly biased statement rooted solely in
your prejudiced world view. So if a third world person becomes
a christian, they automatically become smarter? Or is coming
to our country sufficient to become smarter or are people who
are born here but not christians not as smart as native born
christians?



[Hammond]
Quit spouting high school dropout ignorance, phony PhD!
The smaller Brain Growth Deficit in the West is due to the
HIGHER STANDARD OF LIVING in the West compared to the 3rd
World, any idiot knows that. You're a racist pig and a
bigot, phony PhD claimant, and an asinine provocateur. And
a ****head.

[Hammond]
. which literally means that
"God, Heaven and the invisible world" are LARGER in the 3rd
World than they are in the Christian West.


[Doug, dubious physics PhD claimant. SPOG heckler]
Among other things, this statement, by itself, disproves
your spog speculation.


[Hammond]
Get out of here you mentally challenged moron. Even
remote illiterate Mongolian tribesman are aware of this
scientific fact and testify so when they sophisticatedly
query unsuspecting Western academic field researchers as to
"Whether the Moon is large in the united States than it is
in Mongolia"; which is a metaphor far over your puny
pinheaded inetllectual awareness.


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On Wed, 07 May 2008 07:42:27 -0700, none ""doug\"@(none)"
wrote:


[Hammond]
FYI, the leadership of the world (which you don't belong
to) have known for thousands of years that poorly developed
people cannot "see" reality as well as highly developed
people, which is WHY highly developed people are in
leadership positions in the first place.


[Doug, bogus physicist and SPOG heckler]
Therefore blind people are poorly developed?



[Hammond]
Cut the **** heckler, dwarfs, midgets, giants, amputees,
lobotomies and blind people are NOT the result of the
Secular Trend Growth Deficit which is UNIVERSAL in the human
race. Quit posting amateur trivia trolling harrassment.
Amateurs have spent years doing this to no avail, you're
just the latest punk heckler to come down the pike!


[Hammond]
Today, the scientific explanation, measurement and PROOF
of this has been found, and it is most directly demonstrated
by the variation of PFF vs. growth.
You're supposed to be a PhD physicist, then surely you
know what a FOURIER FREQUENCY SPECTRUM is, and if so you
should realize that the PFF is a direct measure of the
FOURIER JSPECTRUM CUTOFF FREQUENCY of the Fourier
Transformed spectrum of VISUAL MOVEMENT in the human visual
field. If that cutoff frequency (PFF) is 50% less for one
person compared to another person, then that person sees
HALF THE MOTION of reality that the other person sees.



[Doug, bogus physicist and SPOG heckler]
This is not true. When you do the fourier transform of the
view of the real world, you get a spectrum of the motion.
With varying cutoff frequencies in this domain, the retransformed
image can be seen to have been affected.


[Hammond]
We're not talking about filtering out high frequencies
that nobody can see anyway, we're tallking about filtering
out 20% or more of the high frequencies they CAN see, in
THAT case the difference is very noticible, MAINLY the
difference in peoples' facial expression and personality
identity... these change drastically. An automoble driving
down the road doesn't look any different, but personality
"identity" is drastically changed if you cut mental
speed...,. this is why it easy to deceive a child... he has
only half the mental speed you have, your true identity is
INVISLBE to him.


[Doug, bogus physicist and SPOG heckler]
However, the
amount of high frequency spectral content in the transform
for our normal world situations is very low. This is why
mpeg video compression works well. Most changes in our
views happen slowly. Thus someone who sees things 50%
slower may still see 99% of the scene contents or more.


[Hammond]
WRONG physics flunky. mpeg compression is NOT THE SAME
as a LO PASS FILTER. mpeg compression is virtually
lossless, and is effected by very sophisticated pixel
velocity prediction algorythms which are used to predict and
then reconstuct redundant motion and eliminate repetiitive
pixel transmission. There is NO COMPARISON between high
frequency filtering and video compression. Filtering is a
DIRECT LOSS of information, modern compression is vitually
lossless!


[Doug, bogus physicist and SPOG heckler]
The picture of a rock on the ground is the same for
everyone.

[Hammond]
Even that isn't true. Almost every solid object in nature
shows telltale signs of motion, including wear on rocks,
wind and water erosion and movement, the wind swept profile
of trees etc.

[Doug, bogus physicist and SPOG heckler]
The fusion frequency has developed through evolution to be
adequate for our world. Attaching any further significance
to it is pure speculation.


[Hammond]
You're full of it too. The Growth Deficit has nothing to
do with "Evolution" and it knocks 20% off the PFF for every
adult in the population, some far more than 20%, you don't
know what the hell you're talking about, and could care
less, and I could care less about you amateur opinions.


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On May 7, 12:21 am, George Hammond wrote:
On Tue, 6 May 2008 23:26:30 -0700 (PDT), "Dr. HotSalt"

(bandwidth-conservation snip)

[Hammond]
Mark,...... whew..... I'm glad to find out that "Dr.
Hotsalt" is actually you!

Sorry about that. I have two nyms; my real name and the good (most
of the time) Dr., who is intended only to post in ARK. For some reason
my browser (the latest Firefox) does not permit me to choose when
crossposting and instead decides at random which nym to use. There's
probably a plugin to handle it but I haven't found one yet.

I read through the first few paragraphs of
your post and thought I was listening to an all time record
breaking genius, whom I thought must be some internationally
known polymath posting under a phony name and was absolutely
floored by the guy's understanding of the SPOG.
Frankly, from what I remember of talking to you back in
2000, I didn't recall that you had so much of a handle on
the SPOG... but I guess we're all 8 years older and wiser
now!

That's because I didn't even though according to some I do qualify
as both genius and polymath. Can't get it all in one gulp you know.

Even though Google's absorption of DejaNews caused much of the
newsgroup archives from The Old Days to evaporate I can trace much of
how my understanding of a lot of subjects has changed in that time.

(One of my mind's quirks is I think tied into my ADD/ADHD/borderline
Asperger's Syndrome. It will back-burner things I find interesting and
make connections for me; my conscious attention will refocus on a
subject after a while and all these connections will flood in at once,
making it appear as if I'd consciously made them all at once. Not the
case of course. OTOH I don't get to concentrate on any one thing for
very long. It's also why I seem to come up with so many of what you've
called "trivial" extensions and applications of the SPOG into
psychology and so on; they are to me obvious practical applications
far superior to the current state of stone-knives-and-bearskins
clinical psychology- for instance I'm right now wondering how the SPOG
models my quirks- how do you feel about tachyons?)

Unfortunately you didn't post until 2:30 in the morning
and it's now after 3 am. So, I'm going to print out your
post and will study it tomorrow morning over breakfast at
the local town coffee shop. It is a long and penetrating
post and I want to study it thoroughly, and will post a full
reply tomorrow afternoon.

Please do. I am hopeful that it will help advance the general
acceptance of the SPOG.

BTW I'm on the West Coast and posted my time 11:20 p.m. just before
going to work.

Meanwhile, thank Christ for people like you who can still
think on their feet and who have the savvy to notice a
discussion like this and know what it is about.
Thanks for making my day.

Quite welcome. Hope it helps.


Mark L. Fergerson

SCIENTIFIC PROOF OF GOD

God, you people are sure nasty to each other. It's a real turn off,
Hammond.

Oh - by the way- the Universe and God are identical.

"George Hammond" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 07 May 2008 07:42:27 -0700, none ""doug\"@(none)"
wrote:


[Hammond]
FYI, the leadership of the world (which you don't belong
to) have known for thousands of years that poorly developed
people cannot "see" reality as well as highly developed
people, which is WHY highly developed people are in
leadership positions in the first place.


[Doug, bogus physicist and SPOG heckler]
Therefore blind people are poorly developed?



[Hammond]
Cut the **** heckler, dwarfs, midgets, giants, amputees,
lobotomies and blind people are NOT the result of the
Secular Trend Growth Deficit which is UNIVERSAL in the human
race. Quit posting amateur trivia trolling harrassment.
Amateurs have spent years doing this to no avail, you're
just the latest punk heckler to come down the pike!

Couldn't answer the question ......huh?

"none" ""doug\"@(none)" wrote in message
news:aeOdnWeoSfm6yr_VnZ2dnUVZ_rDinZ2d@docknet...

[Hammond]
Horse****..... the linear variation of the PFF with
childhood growth, just like IQ, has been common knowlege
known and documented for 75 years.
[Doug, alleged physicist, SPOG critic]
So? It still has nothing to do with a god.


[Hammond]
Stop playing dumb. Obviously the PFF is the Fourier
Cutoff frequency of the human detection of visual motion,
and it WELL KNOWN to vary linearly with Human Growth.
So what?

Ergo, since the Secular Trend in Human Growth shows that
the average person only reaches about 80% of full growth;
20% of REALITY is INVISIBLE to the average person!
No, this is not true. What is true that the rate of motion
where a person starts seeing blurring is a variable with
different people and ages.

Clearly this constitutes an INVISBLE WORLD which is
exactly what Religion has been claiming for thousands of
years.]

This is a completely unsupported assumption. There is no
evidence at all for this other than your fantasy. End
of story, the spog is dead.


"spo crap" was never alive in the first place.

On Thu, 08 May 2008 19:17:21 GMT, "John Smith"
wrote:

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John Smith wrote:
"none" ""doug\"@(none)" wrote in message
news:aeOdnWeoSfm6yr_VnZ2dnUVZ_rDinZ2d@docknet...
[Hammond]
Horse****..... the linear variation of the PFF with
childhood growth, just like IQ, has been common knowlege
known and documented for 75 years.
[Doug, alleged physicist, SPOG critic]
So? It still has nothing to do with a god.


[Hammond]
Stop playing dumb. Obviously the PFF is the Fourier
Cutoff frequency of the human detection of visual motion,
and it WELL KNOWN to vary linearly with Human Growth.
So what?

Ergo, since the Secular Trend in Human Growth shows that
the average person only reaches about 80% of full growth;
20% of REALITY is INVISIBLE to the average person!
No, this is not true. What is true that the rate of motion
where a person starts seeing blurring is a variable with
different people and ages.

Clearly this constitutes an INVISBLE WORLD which is
exactly what Religion has been claiming for thousands of
years.]
This is a completely unsupported assumption. There is no
evidence at all for this other than your fantasy. End
of story, the spog is dead.


"spo crap" was never alive in the first place.


I was trying to be nice and give him the benefit of the
doubt.

George Hammond wrote:
On Wed, 07 May 2008 18:42:41 -0700, none ""doug\"@(none)"
wrote:

George Hammond wrote:
On Wed, 07 May 2008 07:42:27 -0700, none ""doug\"@(none)"
wrote:

[Hammond]
FYI, the leadership of the world (which you don't belong
to) have known for thousands of years that poorly developed
people cannot "see" reality as well as highly developed
people, which is WHY highly developed people are in
leadership positions in the first place.
[Doug, bogus physicist and SPOG heckler]
Therefore blind people are poorly developed?



[Hammond]
Cut the **** heckler, dwarfs, midgets, giants, amputees,
lobotomies and blind people are NOT the result of the
Secular Trend Growth Deficit which is UNIVERSAL in the human
race. Quit posting amateur trivia trolling harrassment.
Amateurs have spent years doing this to no avail, you're
just the latest punk heckler to come down the pike!
I am surprised by your inconsistent reply. Blind people
cannot see any motion, therefore by your definition, they
have a low perception of reality.



[Hammond]
Amateur level neocriminal heckling. You're a real piece
of yuppie scum.
The existence of God jfor any person depends ONLY on his
growthcurve deficit. Doesn't matter whether you're
blindfolded with duct tape or not. amateur jheckling piece
of filth.

[Hammond]
Today, the scientific explanation, measurement and PROOF
of this has been found, and it is most directly demonstrated
by the variation of PFF vs. growth.
[Doug, bogus physicist and SPOG heckler]
This has nothing to do with any god.

[Hammond]
UNSUPPORTED ASSERTION
You're supposed to be a PhD physicist, then surely you
know what a FOURIER FREQUENCY SPECTRUM is, and if so you
should realize that the PFF is a direct measure of the
FOURIER JSPECTRUM CUTOFF FREQUENCY of the Fourier
Transformed spectrum of VISUAL MOVEMENT in the human visual
field. If that cutoff frequency (PFF) is 50% less for one
person compared to another person, then that person sees
HALF THE MOTION of reality that the other person sees.

[Doug, bogus physicist and SPOG heckler]
This is not true. When you do the fourier transform of the
view of the real world, you get a spectrum of the motion.
With varying cutoff frequencies in this domain, the retransformed
image can be seen to have been affected.


[Hammond]
We're not talking about filtering out high frequencies
that nobody can see anyway, we're tallking about filtering
out 20% or more of the high frequencies they CAN see, in
THAT case the difference is very noticible, MAINLY the
difference in peoples' facial expression and personality
identity... these change drastically. An automoble driving
down the road doesn't look any different, but personality
"identity" is drastically changed if you cut mental
speed...,. this is why it easy to deceive a child... he has
only half the mental speed you have, your true identity is
INVISLBE to him.
[Doug, bogus physicist and SPOG heckler]
However, the
amount of high frequency spectral content in the transform
for our normal world situations is very low. This is why
mpeg video compression works well. Most changes in our
views happen slowly. Thus someone who sees things 50%
slower may still see 99% of the scene contents or more.


[Hammond]
WRONG physics flunky. mpeg compression is NOT THE SAME
as a LO PASS FILTER. mpeg compression is virtually
lossless, and is effected by very sophisticated pixel
velocity prediction algorythms which are used to predict and
then reconstuct redundant motion and eliminate repetiitive
pixel transmission. There is NO COMPARISON between high
frequency filtering and video compression. Filtering is a
DIRECT LOSS of information, modern compression is vitually
lossless!

[Doug, bogus physicist and SPOG heckler]
Sorry but this is wrong as well. Mpeg is a lossy compression.
It has artifacts and the loss of detail is proportional to
the compression rate.


[Hammond]
So does static in a video signal, that has nothing to do
with high frequency attenuation.

You do not understand that what was
said was that you can remove a lot of motion and not change
the basic image very much.


[Hammond]
Not by cutting off the top 20% of the VISIBLE motion
spectrum which is what a hi frequency filter, or reduction
in PFF will do.

[Doug, bogus physicist and SPOG heckler]
Thus a 20% difference in fusion
frequency does not mean you see 20% less

[Hammond]
Yes it does asshole.

When you have to swear, it means you know you are wrong.

IQ in adults is directly
proportioanal to PFF since both are simply a measure of
mental speed in bits/sec.

So blind people are dumb? You cannot measure their fusion
rate and, since they have not been trained, it would not
be good. Or are you just saying they are more religious?

therefore a 20% reduction in PFF
is equivalent to a 20$ reduction in IQ, say from 100 to 80.
Besides mathematically having a 20% reduced information
processing capability, I think growth in children is OBVIOUS

"Obvious" is a word that you use when you know you have no
evidence and are hoping that no one will notice.

evidence that a 20% reduction in speed is equivfalent to a
20% reduction in visual perception, for instance, people
mature at 18, and 80% of 18 is 14.4, I think its commonly
observed that an 18 year old has 20% better vision
comprehension than a 14.4 year old.
[Doug, bogus physicist and SPOG heckler]
. Not that it matters
since this has nothing to do with any god.


[Hammond]
Quit posting UNSUPPORTED ASSERTIONS

You have made this leap of faith with no evidence at all.
You assumed this meant a god and you assumed that god
was the christian god rather than one of the others.


[Doug, bogus physicist and SPOG heckler]
The picture of a rock on the ground is the same for
everyone.

[Hammond]
Even that isn't true. Almost every solid object in nature
shows telltale signs of motion, including wear on rocks,
wind and water erosion and movement, the wind swept profile
of trees etc.
Now George, I think that even your fusion frequency is high
enough to see the rate of erosion of a rock.

NO comment here George?

[Doug, bogus physicist and SPOG heckler]
The fusion frequency has developed through evolution to be
adequate for our world. Attaching any further significance
to it is pure speculation.


[Hammond]
You're full of it too. The Growth Deficit has nothing to
do with "Evolution" and it knocks 20% off the PFF for every
adult in the population, some far more than 20%, you don't
know what the hell you're talking about, and could care
less, and I could care less about you amateur opinions.
When you are losing the argument you snip and swear. This
means you are really losing the discussion and perhaps
are even realizing how wrong you are. Keep it up and
you will be on the road to getting better.


[hAMMOND]
I can kick kook ass all day long. Particularly enjoyable
is academic yuppie scum like you.

You claim you can kick ass, when are you going to start?
All of your arguments have been shown to be silly, unsupported
and or leaps of faith that would be embarrassing for a high
school student.

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George Hammond wrote:
On Wed, 07 May 2008 18:28:21 -0700, none ""doug\"@(none)"
wrote:

[Hammond]
Horse****..... the linear variation of the PFF with
childhood growth, just like IQ, has been common knowlege
known and documented for 75 years.
[Doug, alleged physicist, SPOG critic]
So? It still has nothing to do with a god.


[Hammond]
Stop playing dumb. Obviously the PFF is the Fourier
Cutoff frequency of the human detection of visual motion,
and it WELL KNOWN to vary linearly with Human Growth.
[Doug, bogus physicist and SPOG heckler]
So what?

[Hammond]
So read the rest of the paragraph pinhead.
[Doug, bogus physicist and SPOG heckler]
Ergo, since the Secular Trend in Human Growth shows that
the average person only reaches about 80% of full growth;
20% of REALITY is INVISIBLE to the average person!
[Doug, bogus physicist and SPOG heckler]
No, this is not true. What is true that the rate of motion
where a person starts seeing blurring is a variable with
different people and ages.


[Hammond]
Congratulations, that wasn't too hard for you was it?
[Doug, bogus physicist and SPOG heckler]
Clearly this constitutes an INVISBLE WORLD which is
exactly what Religion has been claiming for thousands of
years.]
This is a completely unsupported assumption. There is no
evidence at all for this other than your fantasy.

[Hammond]
Nonsense, the full body of evidence PROVES THAT since it
explains in quatitative detail all 20 of the fundamental
claims of religion about the "invible world", "God" and
"Heaven". Sorry dip****, you can't argue against a theory
without actually reding it and knowing what it is about.

I have read it. It is a joke. There is nothing there except
meaningless babble. You cannot support your arguments so
you swear, bluster and threaten. That is pretty sad and I
do pity you for not being strong enough to admit you are
wrong.



You're all through punk, go find something else to do
that isn't too challenging for you. you'll get nothing but
your ignorance and aggravated counterproductiveness exposed
on this thread.

If you are going to do so, you can try at any time. So far
you have just highlighted your mistakes.


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