On May 5, 7:37 am, "Robert J. Kolker" wrote:
wrote:
On May 4, 8:49 pm, wrote:

Gravity waves are unlike light they can are never absorbed and are
destined to float around the universe at the speed of light forever. I
believe this is the definative rebuke of gravity waves.

Um, no. Gravity wave detectors operate by absorbing gravity waves.

Gravity Waves are yet to be detected.

Interesting. What about Weber Bars, and Forward rotating quadrupole
detectors?


Mark L. Fergerson

On May 5, 4:59*pm, Mike wrote:
On May 5, 4:03*am, "Y.Porat" wrote:





On Apr 20, 11:10*pm, Uncle Al wrote:

gubbenimanen wrote:

Hi!

Can gravity be the elongated fields of photons?

[snip crap]

Comments welcomed!

Virtual photons are spin-1 vector bosons. *Gravitons would need be
spin-2 tensor bosons. *Idiot.

--
Uncle Alhttp://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
*(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/lajos.htm#a2

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no virtual and no shmirtual
virtual *photons i svirtual physics
that leads to a nucleid farting something that is 100
times bigger than itself .....

no physical entity that moves in straight line
can do any attraction force !!!
so at least dont call it 'photons '

it is something that modern physics
has no ****en idea about waht it is !!!

so all you do is
virtual farting

Y.Porat
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imbecil crackparrotter

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On May 4, 9:22*pm, Douglas Eagleson wrote:
On Apr 20, 10:26*am, gubbenimanen wrote:





Hi!

Can gravity be the elongated fields of photons?

Figure 6-15 in the book "Electromagnetic Fields and Waves" by Paul
Lorrain and Dale Corson shows how equipotential surfaces V=constant
get elongated perpendicular to the direction of propagation of a
moving point charge. At near light speed it seems that the elongation
will be very long! Also see how field lines gather at 90 degrees from
the direction of propagation:http://www.cco.caltech.edu/~phys1/ja...ge/MovingCharg...

It seems to me that a photon, that is in essence a moving EM field at
the speed of light, should be elongated as well. The photons emitted
perpendicular from a body should have the strongest field at your
point of view. Also it seems that the elongation would elegantly
explain how a single photon can interact on itself in the double slit
experiment!

Perhaps other clues to this are dyons, magnetic monopoles, dark
energy, gravity experiments by ESA and Fran De Aquino?

Comments welcomed!

/ Roger Persson

A quanta is the most general term for a cause to force. General
Relativity, GR, used a space shape to effect.

A class of theory that is allowed for lack of a quantum gravity
theory.

Essential element to a completed quantum gravity is a force cause. *I
claim nature is consistent and therfore we can expect gravitons to
exist. So all force appear to effect after quanta exchange.

Photons are not gravitons because they interact with electronic
charges only. Photons do not interact as a mass dependent variable.
Also the cause to spin dilemma exists. Gravitons are expected to have
spin 2.

A handed rule for photons causes a spin 1. A spin in quantum theory
appears the direction of vector alteration. A force as an effect may
be altering in a non-conservation of momenta fashion, while a mass
appears effectively following conservation of momenta.

A magnet on the refridgerator appears a spin 1 force therfore.
Equation of force to energy in quantum theory allows a test of theory
validity. So far only vain attmepts at quantum spin 2 have occured.

It is such a difficult task tried by some of the smartest peeople in
the world, that small attmepts to explain in theory gravity are not
recommended. Quantum theory should only be learned a little bit at
home, never try do do real quantum theory.- Hide quoted text -

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may be you can explain to us how
quote you :

'be altering in a non-conservation of momenta fashion'
???

do you feel yourself in the
'intelligence integrity' position ??

2
the problemis not in intelelctual difficulty
the problem is in 'crackparrotism '

ie
the lack of ability to get ridd of some fals **basic** assumptions
like that gravity is done by something that moves in straight lines

if you make your claculations based on stright line movements
ie the shortest distance between acting mases
then you get
a W boson that is 100 times greate than its mother
but had God enlighted you to think that the
'Garitons' didnt make the shortest line between the acting masses
but a much longer distance
that you dont get those farted W bosons
but much much smaller entities
because the effect of any force is in proportion 1/X^2
or may be even 1/x^3 of the 'distance'

just try to remember that
and remember who tiold you that for the first time ......

ATB
Y.Porat
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On May 5, 11:39*pm, "Y.Porat" wrote:
On May 4, 9:22*pm, Douglas Eagleson wrote:





On Apr 20, 10:26*am, gubbenimanen wrote:

Hi!

Can gravity be the elongated fields of photons?

Figure 6-15 in the book "Electromagnetic Fields and Waves" by Paul
Lorrain and Dale Corson shows how equipotential surfaces V=constant
get elongated perpendicular to the direction of propagation of a
moving point charge. At near light speed it seems that the elongation
will be very long! Also see how field lines gather at 90 degrees from
the direction of propagation:http://www.cco.caltech.edu/~phys1/ja...ge/MovingCharg...

It seems to me that a photon, that is in essence a moving EM field at
the speed of light, should be elongated as well. The photons emitted
perpendicular from a body should have the strongest field at your
point of view. Also it seems that the elongation would elegantly
explain how a single photon can interact on itself in the double slit
experiment!

Perhaps other clues to this are dyons, magnetic monopoles, dark
energy, gravity experiments by ESA and Fran De Aquino?

Comments welcomed!

/ Roger Persson

A quanta is the most general term for a cause to force. General
Relativity, GR, used a space shape to effect.

A class of theory that is allowed for lack of a quantum gravity
theory.

Essential element to a completed quantum gravity is a force cause. *I
claim nature is consistent and therfore we can expect gravitons to
exist. So all force appear to effect after quanta exchange.

Photons are not gravitons because they interact with electronic
charges only. Photons do not interact as a mass dependent variable.
Also the cause to spin dilemma exists. Gravitons are expected to have
spin 2.

A handed rule for photons causes a spin 1. A spin in quantum theory
appears the direction of vector alteration. A force as an effect may
be altering in a non-conservation of momenta fashion, while a mass
appears effectively following conservation of momenta.

A magnet on the refridgerator appears a spin 1 force therfore.
Equation of force to energy in quantum theory allows a test of theory
validity. So far only vain attmepts at quantum spin 2 have occured.

It is such a difficult task tried by some of the smartest peeople in
the world, that small attmepts to explain in theory gravity are not
recommended. Quantum theory should only be learned a little bit at
home, never try do do real quantum theory.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

--------------------
may be you can explain to us how
quote you :

'be altering in a non-conservation of momenta fashion'
???

do you feel yourself in the
'intelligence integrity' position ??

2
the problemis not in intelelctual difficulty
the problem is in 'crackparrotism '

ie
the lack of ability to get ridd of some fals **basic** assumptions
like that *gravity is done by something that moves in straight lines

if you make your claculations based on stright line movements
ie the shortest distance between acting mases
then you get
a W boson that is 100 times greate than its mother
but had God enlighted you to think that the
'Garitons' didnt make the shortest line between the acting masses
but a much longer distance
that you dont get those farted W bosons
but much much smaller entities
because the effect of any force is in *proportion 1/X^2
or may be even 1/x^3 * of the 'distance'

just try to remember that
and remember who tiold you that for the first time ......

ATB
Y.Porat
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Gravity waves are not like light. They cannot be absorbed and are
therefor are doomed to roam the universe forever

On May 11, 4:23*am, wrote:
On May 5, 11:39*pm, "Y.Porat" wrote:





On May 4, 9:22*pm, Douglas Eagleson wrote:

On Apr 20, 10:26*am, gubbenimanen wrote:

Hi!

Can gravity be the elongated fields of photons?

Figure 6-15 in the book "Electromagnetic Fields and Waves" by Paul
Lorrain and Dale Corson shows how equipotential surfaces V=constant
get elongated perpendicular to the direction of propagation of a
moving point charge. At near light speed it seems that the elongation
will be very long! Also see how field lines gather at 90 degrees from
the direction of propagation:http://www.cco.caltech.edu/~phys1/ja...ge/MovingCharg...

It seems to me that a photon, that is in essence a moving EM field at
the speed of light, should be elongated as well. The photons emitted
perpendicular from a body should have the strongest field at your
point of view. Also it seems that the elongation would elegantly
explain how a single photon can interact on itself in the double slit
experiment!

Perhaps other clues to this are dyons, magnetic monopoles, dark
energy, gravity experiments by ESA and Fran De Aquino?

Comments welcomed!

/ Roger Persson

A quanta is the most general term for a cause to force. General
Relativity, GR, used a space shape to effect.

A class of theory that is allowed for lack of a quantum gravity
theory.

Essential element to a completed quantum gravity is a force cause. *I
claim nature is consistent and therfore we can expect gravitons to
exist. So all force appear to effect after quanta exchange.

Photons are not gravitons because they interact with electronic
charges only. Photons do not interact as a mass dependent variable.
Also the cause to spin dilemma exists. Gravitons are expected to have
spin 2.

A handed rule for photons causes a spin 1. A spin in quantum theory
appears the direction of vector alteration. A force as an effect may
be altering in a non-conservation of momenta fashion, while a mass
appears effectively following conservation of momenta.

A magnet on the refridgerator appears a spin 1 force therfore.
Equation of force to energy in quantum theory allows a test of theory
validity. So far only vain attmepts at quantum spin 2 have occured.

It is such a difficult task tried by some of the smartest peeople in
the world, that small attmepts to explain in theory gravity are not
recommended. Quantum theory should only be learned a little bit at
home, never try do do real quantum theory.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

--------------------
may be you can explain to us how
quote you :

'be altering in a non-conservation of momenta fashion'
???

do you feel yourself in the
'intelligence integrity' position ??

2
the problemis not in intelelctual difficulty
the problem is in 'crackparrotism '

ie
the lack of ability to get ridd of some fals **basic** assumptions
like that *gravity is done by something that moves in straight lines

if you make your claculations based on stright line movements
ie the shortest distance between acting mases
then you get
a W boson that is 100 times greate than its mother
but had God enlighted you to think that the
'Garitons' didnt make the shortest line between the acting masses
but a much longer distance
that you dont get those farted W bosons
but much much smaller entities
because the effect of any force is in *proportion 1/X^2
or may be even 1/x^3 * of the 'distance'

just try to remember that
and remember who tiold you that for the first time ......

ATB
Y.Porat
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- Show quoted text -

Gravity waves are not like light. They cannot be absorbed and are
therefor are doomed to roam the universe forever- Hide quoted text -

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indeed and obviiously they are not light
i am the last one on this globe to say that
quite the opposite
i always say that anything tha tmoves in straight line
cannot be any attraction agent!!!!!!!

2
gravitons according to me are (as all attraction agents)
basic particles that **do not move in straight lines
but closed circles (if not disturbed on ther way)

there fore are wondering in our glove but still
do not get lost from our universe
just because thet do not move in straight lines !! (:-)
and that is another reason why their range is limited !!!

ATB
Y.Porat
--------------------------

On 5 Maj, 05:36, " wrote:

The elongated EM field at light speed through a double slit, I wrote
about previously, seems to coincide with the pilot wave theory ( David
Bohm and Louis de Broglie)!

* How do you figure? There is no "elongation" of fields "ahead" of a
photon traveling any faster than the photon itself.

Maybe the two interfering field waves from the slits can direct the
electron sideways (along the easiest potential path)? Maybe the same
for the photon, if it's a particle?

On 21 Apr, 22:55, BradGuth wrote:
How much mass can a zero-mass spin-1 photon haul?

Right, you are!

On 5 Maj, 08:12, Benj wrote:
The best "photon" gravitation theory is the Feynman-Wheeler "shadow"
theory whereby uniform "radiation" in all directions allows one body
to cast a shadow upon a second body and vice versa. That "shadow"
results in radiation pressure "pushing" the two bodies together rather
than gravitation being an "attraction" between bodies. They attributed
this idea to much older sources.

The "shadow" theory seems interesting. Photons creating impulse
pressure on matter. Something universal like the cosmic microwave
background. Perhaps it can explain
- MOND
- dark energy, acceleration at edge of universe towards the emptiness.
- Casimir effect
- Mercury anomaly (sun is not completely shadowing, also creating
those photons)

But there are problems with this theory. What are these photons or
particles? They must be able to go through earth. We still feel
gravity inside caves - and it's dark - no light. Neutrinos or the
elusive gravitons?

On May 10, 10:57*pm, "Y.Porat" wrote:
On May 11, 4:23*am, wrote:





On May 5, 11:39*pm, "Y.Porat" wrote:

On May 4, 9:22*pm, Douglas Eagleson wrote:

On Apr 20, 10:26*am, gubbenimanen wrote:

Hi!

Can gravity be the elongated fields of photons?

Figure 6-15 in the book "Electromagnetic Fields and Waves" by Paul
Lorrain and Dale Corson shows how equipotential surfaces V=constant
get elongated perpendicular to the direction of propagation of a
moving point charge. At near light speed it seems that the elongation
will be very long! Also see how field lines gather at 90 degrees from
the direction of propagation:http://www.cco.caltech.edu/~phys1/ja...ge/MovingCharg...

It seems to me that a photon, that is in essence a moving EM field at
the speed of light, should be elongated as well. The photons emitted
perpendicular from a body should have the strongest field at your
point of view. Also it seems that the elongation would elegantly
explain how a single photon can interact on itself in the double slit
experiment!

Perhaps other clues to this are dyons, magnetic monopoles, dark
energy, gravity experiments by ESA and Fran De Aquino?

Comments welcomed!

/ Roger Persson

A quanta is the most general term for a cause to force. General
Relativity, GR, used a space shape to effect.

A class of theory that is allowed for lack of a quantum gravity
theory.

Essential element to a completed quantum gravity is a force cause. *I
claim nature is consistent and therfore we can expect gravitons to
exist. So all force appear to effect after quanta exchange.

Photons are not gravitons because they interact with electronic
charges only. Photons do not interact as a mass dependent variable.
Also the cause to spin dilemma exists. Gravitons are expected to have
spin 2.

A handed rule for photons causes a spin 1. A spin in quantum theory
appears the direction of vector alteration. A force as an effect may
be altering in a non-conservation of momenta fashion, while a mass
appears effectively following conservation of momenta.

A magnet on the refridgerator appears a spin 1 force therfore.
Equation of force to energy in quantum theory allows a test of theory
validity. So far only vain attmepts at quantum spin 2 have occured.

It is such a difficult task tried by some of the smartest peeople in
the world, that small attmepts to explain in theory gravity are not
recommended. Quantum theory should only be learned a little bit at
home, never try do do real quantum theory.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

--------------------
may be you can explain to us how
quote you :

'be altering in a non-conservation of momenta fashion'
???

do you feel yourself in the
'intelligence integrity' position ??

2
the problemis not in intelelctual difficulty
the problem is in 'crackparrotism '

ie
the lack of ability to get ridd of some fals **basic** assumptions
like that *gravity is done by something that moves in straight lines

if you make your claculations based on stright line movements
ie the shortest distance between acting mases
then you get
a W boson that is 100 times greate than its mother
but had God enlighted you to think that the
'Garitons' didnt make the shortest line between the acting masses
but a much longer distance
that you dont get those farted W bosons
but much much smaller entities
because the effect of any force is in *proportion 1/X^2
or may be even 1/x^3 * of the 'distance'

just try to remember that
and remember who tiold you that for the first time ......

ATB
Y.Porat
------------------------ Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Gravity waves are not like light. They cannot be absorbed and are
therefor are doomed to roam the universe forever- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

------------------
indeed and obviiously they are not light
i am the last one on this globe to say that
quite the opposite
i always say that anything tha tmoves in straight line
cannot be any attraction agent!!!!!!!

2
gravitons according to me are (as all attraction agents)
basic particles that **do not move in straight lines
but closed circles (if not disturbed on ther way)

there fore are wondering in our glove but still
do not get lost from our universe
just because thet do not move in straight lines !! *(:-)
and that is another reason why their range is limited !!!

ATB
Y.Porat
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Electicity is a repulsive force.

Mitch Raemsch

On May 12, 12:24*am, wrote:
On May 10, 10:57*pm, "Y.Porat" wrote:





On May 11, 4:23*am, wrote:

On May 5, 11:39*pm, "Y.Porat" wrote:

On May 4, 9:22*pm, Douglas Eagleson wrote:

On Apr 20, 10:26*am, gubbenimanen wrote:

Hi!

Can gravity be the elongated fields of photons?

Figure 6-15 in the book "Electromagnetic Fields and Waves" by Paul
Lorrain and Dale Corson shows how equipotential surfaces V=constant
get elongated perpendicular to the direction of propagation of a
moving point charge. At near light speed it seems that the elongation
will be very long! Also see how field lines gather at 90 degrees from
the direction of propagation:http://www.cco.caltech.edu/~phys1/ja...ge/MovingCharg...

It seems to me that a photon, that is in essence a moving EM field at
the speed of light, should be elongated as well. The photons emitted
perpendicular from a body should have the strongest field at your
point of view. Also it seems that the elongation would elegantly
explain how a single photon can interact on itself in the double slit
experiment!

Perhaps other clues to this are dyons, magnetic monopoles, dark
energy, gravity experiments by ESA and Fran De Aquino?

Comments welcomed!

/ Roger Persson

A quanta is the most general term for a cause to force. General
Relativity, GR, used a space shape to effect.

A class of theory that is allowed for lack of a quantum gravity
theory.

Essential element to a completed quantum gravity is a force cause. *I
claim nature is consistent and therfore we can expect gravitons to
exist. So all force appear to effect after quanta exchange.

Photons are not gravitons because they interact with electronic
charges only. Photons do not interact as a mass dependent variable..
Also the cause to spin dilemma exists. Gravitons are expected to have
spin 2.

A handed rule for photons causes a spin 1. A spin in quantum theory
appears the direction of vector alteration. A force as an effect may
be altering in a non-conservation of momenta fashion, while a mass
appears effectively following conservation of momenta.

A magnet on the refridgerator appears a spin 1 force therfore.
Equation of force to energy in quantum theory allows a test of theory
validity. So far only vain attmepts at quantum spin 2 have occured..

It is such a difficult task tried by some of the smartest peeople in
the world, that small attmepts to explain in theory gravity are not
recommended. Quantum theory should only be learned a little bit at
home, never try do do real quantum theory.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

--------------------
may be you can explain to us how
quote you :

'be altering in a non-conservation of momenta fashion'
???

do you feel yourself in the
'intelligence integrity' position ??

2
the problemis not in intelelctual difficulty
the problem is in 'crackparrotism '

ie
the lack of ability to get ridd of some fals **basic** assumptions
like that *gravity is done by something that moves in straight lines

if you make your claculations based on stright line movements
ie the shortest distance between acting mases
then you get
a W boson that is 100 times greate than its mother
but had God enlighted you to think that the
'Garitons' didnt make the shortest line between the acting masses
but a much longer distance
that you dont get those farted W bosons
but much much smaller entities
because the effect of any force is in *proportion 1/X^2
or may be even 1/x^3 * of the 'distance'

just try to remember that
and remember who tiold you that for the first time ......

ATB
Y.Porat
------------------------ Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Gravity waves are not like light. They cannot be absorbed and are
therefor are doomed to roam the universe forever- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

------------------
indeed and obviiously they are not light
i am the last one on this globe to say that
quite the opposite
i always say that anything tha tmoves in straight line
cannot be any attraction agent!!!!!!!

2
gravitons according to me are (as all attraction agents)
basic particles that **do not move in straight lines
but closed circles (if not disturbed on ther way)

there fore are wondering in our glove but still
do not get lost from our universe
just because thet do not move in straight lines !! *(:-)
and that is another reason why their range is limited !!!

ATB
Y.Porat
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Electicity is a repulsive force.

Mitch Raemsch- Hide quoted text -

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-though may be not all of the story
anyway in a way sounds reasonable to me

ATB
Y.Porat
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