Tom Potterwrote:
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In other words, as long as a system is undisturbed,
it continues along its' merry way.

Like a photon travelling through space?

The so-called photon is a point at which an observation occurs.
The "undisturbed system" is the environment
before the observation.


Tom, you say that the photon does not exist, and that there is
nothing
between cause and effect except a time interval.

But take the example of the Sun shining light on us here on Earth.
If
there are no mediating particles such as photons travelling between
the cause of light on the Sun and the effect it has on the Earth
and
its observers, then how do you explain what happens when an object
intervenes between Sun and Earth, such as when there is a total
solar
eclipse? The perceptions of light or photon count on the Earth is
greatly reduced during the eclipse (it gets dark!).

If there are no photons travelling between cause and effect, then
how
does an intervening object make a difference? How does the moon
reduce the light received by the Earth if it is not by blocking the
carriers of light (photons) as they travel through space?


I am a fan of absorber theories and while your question may seem
simple the question of what causes shadows is a good one. It is
a one reason why theories that treat photons as projections of
electromagnetic interactions lacking independent degrees of freedom
do not make silly statements like "there is no such thing as a
photon".

I am a fan of hard reality,
and as can be seen,
the ONLY thing that can be observed and measured
between a cause and an effect, is an interaction time.
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There is no interaction time, only distance. Because the definition of
an effect was created by moron mathematicians who believe sets are
real.


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"Nth Complexity" wrote in message
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Tom Potterwrote:
"Ed Keane III" wrote in message
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"Double-A" wrote in message
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"Tom Potter" wrote in message
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[snip]

In other words, as long as a system is undisturbed,
it continues along its' merry way.

Like a photon travelling through space?

The so-called photon is a point at which an observation occurs.
The "undisturbed system" is the environment
before the observation.


Tom, you say that the photon does not exist, and that there is
nothing
between cause and effect except a time interval.

But take the example of the Sun shining light on us here on Earth.
If
there are no mediating particles such as photons travelling between
the cause of light on the Sun and the effect it has on the Earth
and
its observers, then how do you explain what happens when an object
intervenes between Sun and Earth, such as when there is a total
solar
eclipse? The perceptions of light or photon count on the Earth is
greatly reduced during the eclipse (it gets dark!).

If there are no photons travelling between cause and effect, then
how
does an intervening object make a difference? How does the moon
reduce the light received by the Earth if it is not by blocking the
carriers of light (photons) as they travel through space?


I am a fan of absorber theories and while your question may seem
simple the question of what causes shadows is a good one. It is
a one reason why theories that treat photons as projections of
electromagnetic interactions lacking independent degrees of freedom
do not make silly statements like "there is no such thing as a
photon".

I am a fan of hard reality,
and as can be seen,
the ONLY thing that can be observed and measured
between a cause and an effect, is an interaction time.
[/quote:33c697bbb9]

There is no interaction time, only distance. Because the definition of
an effect was created by moron mathematicians who believe sets are
real.

What are real are time intervals.

Distances are derivatives of the more fundamental
time intervals.

distance = time interval * constant

Note that distance can be any value you desire,
depending upon what you use for your constant.

Distances, as measured with a ruler,
are nasty, temperature sensitive,
bending sensitive, acceleration sensitive,
contamination sensitive, pressure sensitive beasts.

The fundamental interval between two points
is an interaction time,
which can be quantized to its' greatest precision
using the most precise time standard.

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Tom Potter http://home.earthlink.net/~tdp