In article ,
(Patrick Reany) wrote:
Some defamers of Einstein wrongfully charge him with being a nitwit
pretender who stole his work from others. Einstein's own generation of
physicists did not believe that. How is this contradiction to be
resolved? Simple. The defamers are liars.
snip

They're not liars; they merely wish to destroy productive
work. Einstein is chosen because everybody acknowledges
that he was smart, including those who wish to prove he
was not smart. This is the beautiful irony of their effort.

/BAH

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Some defamers of Einstein wrongfully charge him with being a nitwit
pretender who stole his work from others. Einstein's own generation of
physicists did not believe that. How is this contradiction to be
resolved? Simple. The defamers are liars.

Below is a testimony from Louis de Broglie about Einstein's huge
contributions to physics in all the areas he made contributions, found
in

A GENERAL SURVEY OF THE SCIENTIFIC WORK OF ALBERT EINSTEIN, p109--127,
Albert Einstein, Philosopher-Scientist, Vol 1.

--- p.109 ---

For any educated man, whether or not a professional scientist, the
name of Albert Einstein calls to mind the intellectual effort and
GENIUS which overturned the most traditional notions of physics and
culminated in the establishment of the relativity of the notions of
space and time, the inertia of energy, and an interpretation of
gravitational forces which is in some sort purely geometrical. Therein
lies a magnificent achievement comparable to the greatest that may be
found in the history of the sciences; comparable, for example, to the
achievements of Newton. This alone would have sufficed to assure its
author imperishable fame. But, great as it was, this achievement must
not cause us to forget that Albert Einstein also rendered decisive
contributions to other important advances in contemporary physics.
Even if we were to overlook his no less remarkable work on the
Brownian movement, statistical thermodynamics, and equilibrium
fluctuations, we could not fail to take note of the tremendous import
of his research upon a developing quantum theory and, in particular,
his conception of "light quanta" which, reintroducing the corpuscular
notion into optics, was to send physicists in search of some kind of
synthesis of Fresnel's wave theory of light and the old corpuscular
theory. The latter, after having been held by such men as Newton, was,
as we know, destined for oblivion. Thus, Einstein became the source of
an entire movement of ideas which, as wave mechanics and quantum
mechanics, was to cast so disturbing a light upon atomic phenomena
twenty years later.

[emphasis mine]

Patrick

"greywolf42" wrote in message ...

Patrick Reany wrote in message
om...
Some defamers of Einstein wrongfully charge him with being a nitwit
pretender who stole his work from others. Einstein's own generation of
physicists did not believe that. How is this contradiction to be
resolved? Simple. The defamers are liars.

Below is a testimony from Louis de Broglie about Einstein's huge
contributions to physics in all the areas he made contributions, found
in

A GENERAL SURVEY OF THE SCIENTIFIC WORK OF ALBERT EINSTEIN, p109--127,
Albert Einstein, Philosopher-Scientist, Vol 1.

--- p.109 ---

For any educated man, whether or not a professional scientist, the
name of Albert Einstein calls to mind the intellectual effort and
GENIUS which overturned the most traditional notions of physics and
culminated in the establishment of the relativity of the notions of
space and time, the inertia of energy, and an interpretation of
gravitational forces which is in some sort purely geometrical. Therein
lies a magnificent achievement comparable to the greatest that may be
found in the history of the sciences; comparable, for example, to the
achievements of Newton. This alone would have sufficed to assure its
author imperishable fame. But, great as it was, this achievement must
not cause us to forget that Albert Einstein also rendered decisive
contributions to other important advances in contemporary physics.
Even if we were to overlook his no less remarkable work on the
Brownian movement, statistical thermodynamics, and equilibrium
fluctuations, we could not fail to take note of the tremendous import
of his research upon a developing quantum theory and, in particular,
his conception of "light quanta" which, reintroducing the corpuscular
notion into optics, was to send physicists in search of some kind of
synthesis of Fresnel's wave theory of light and the old corpuscular
theory. The latter, after having been held by such men as Newton, was,
as we know, destined for oblivion. Thus, Einstein became the source of
an entire movement of ideas which, as wave mechanics and quantum
mechanics, was to cast so disturbing a light upon atomic phenomena
twenty years later.

[emphasis mine]


Patrick. Please don't waste everyone's time with appeals to authority.

No, you better waste everyone's time with appeal to Petr Beckman's
pathetic inferiority:


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Patrick. Please don't waste everyone's time with appeals to authority.

No, you better waste everyone's time with appeal to Petr Beckman's
pathetic inferiority:


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And we see Dinky van der Tremble's name where on this list?

And Dinky doesn't lists the ongoing post following up this thread. Nor does
he admit to my four separate requests from him to provide anything that he
thought wasn't answered.

So, Dinky, still not willing to post any physics? Still not willing to bet
on any of those numerous cheapshots? Still can't post anything relevant to
the subject at hand?

I thought not. Bye.

greywolf42
ubi dubium ibi libertas

Shaun Webb wrote in message
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On Sat, 26 Jul 2003 13:58:53 -0700, greywolf42 wrote:


Patrick Reany wrote in message
om...
Some defamers of Einstein wrongfully charge him with being a nitwit
pretender who stole his work from others. Einstein's own generation of
physicists did not believe that. How is this contradiction to be
resolved? Simple. The defamers are liars.

Below is a testimony from Louis de Broglie about Einstein's huge
contributions to physics in all the areas he made contributions, found
in

A GENERAL SURVEY OF THE SCIENTIFIC WORK OF ALBERT EINSTEIN, p109--127,
Albert Einstein, Philosopher-Scientist, Vol 1.

--- p.109 ---

For any educated man, whether or not a professional scientist, the name
of Albert Einstein calls to mind the intellectual effort and GENIUS
which overturned the most traditional notions of physics and culminated
in the establishment of the relativity of the notions of space and
time, the inertia of energy, and an interpretation of gravitational
forces which is in some sort purely geometrical. Therein lies a
magnificent achievement comparable to the greatest that may be found in
the history of the sciences; comparable, for example, to the
achievements of Newton. This alone would have sufficed to assure its
author imperishable fame. But, great as it was, this achievement must
not cause us to forget that Albert Einstein also rendered decisive
contributions to other important advances in contemporary physics. Even
if we were to overlook his no less remarkable work on the Brownian
movement, statistical thermodynamics, and equilibrium fluctuations, we
could not fail to take note of the tremendous import of his research
upon a developing quantum theory and, in particular, his conception of
"light quanta" which, reintroducing the corpuscular notion into optics,
was to send physicists in search of some kind of synthesis of Fresnel's
wave theory of light and the old corpuscular theory. The latter, after
having been held by such men as Newton, was, as we know, destined for
oblivion. Thus, Einstein became the source of an entire movement of
ideas which, as wave mechanics and quantum mechanics, was to cast so
disturbing a light upon atomic phenomena twenty years later.

[emphasis mine]


Patrick. Please don't waste everyone's time with appeals to authority.

Another classic relativist "invisible snipper."

My word, you really are that stupid?

The classic relativist ad hominem insult.

He's not appealing to authority to demonstrate the truth of the claim
"Einstein is a genius", or "Everything Einstein says is right."

But that is the essence of the quote, above. "Einstein is a genius"
(magnificent, greatest, imperishable fame, great, remarkable, tremendous).
A brief mention of Newton for the original corpuscular light theory. No
mention of all the others that preceded Einstein in the fields mentioned.

He is pointing to primary irrefutable documents to demonstrate the truth
of the claim "Einstein's contempories acknowledged that his work was
original."

There is no mention in the above quote about Einstein's "originality" -- or
rather any evidence against the "charge" of Einstein plagiarizing other's
work.

And the quote contains no data whatsoever. It is pure proof-by-assertion.
And Patrick's use of same is pure appeal-to-authority. Also non-sequiteur,
because it doesn't address his point.

Don't get me wrong, I think Einstein was a smart guy. But the fawning
worship of you and Patrick's kind make my gorge buoyant.

greywolf42
ubi dubium ibi libertas

In article , wrote:
In article ,
(Patrick Reany) wrote:
Some defamers of Einstein wrongfully charge him with being a nitwit
pretender who stole his work from others. Einstein's own generation of
physicists did not believe that. How is this contradiction to be
resolved? Simple. The defamers are liars.
snip

They're not liars; they merely wish to destroy productive
work. Einstein is chosen because everybody acknowledges
that he was smart, including those who wish to prove he
was not smart. This is the beautiful irony of their effort.

Also because he was a single recognizable personality that brought
relativity to the world, a theory that can be worked with using high
school algebra. That can't be said for quantum mechanics, which has a
multitude of personalities associated with its evolution, and there's
really nothing you can do with it without somewhat advanced math.

--
"A good plan executed right now is far better than a perfect plan
executed next week."
-Gen. George S. Patton

"greywolf42" wrote in message ...
Patrick. Please don't waste everyone's time with appeals to authority.

No, no, this is an appeal to aristocracy.

Jan Bielawski

Dumbass ,,,,yer a dumbass ,,na na na na yer a dumbass ....
But let me clear a few things up for ya ..
1 ,, he wrote in his class paper befor getting the boot " The energy
of a body is never constant but veries with the energy of the body "
Now dumbass ,,that was years befor anyone had a clue.
He defined gravity as the pit in space.
He predicted the black hole and the nuke .
Hardly anyone understands what he was talking about yet today .
He said the clocks would be running at one rate on te train and one
rate at the station BUT NEVER said time changed ,,,,your list of morons
said that .
BUT forget what anyone said ...dumbass ,,
and face one fact . e=mc2
He got help with that idia ,,help on the math.
THE BOOK ...
The UNIVERSE by Dr, Einstein
Get one and be enlightend

He did alot for physics. I have alot of respect for him.


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In article ,
(Gregory L. Hansen) wrote:
In article , wrote:
In article ,
(Patrick Reany) wrote:
Some defamers of Einstein wrongfully charge him with being a nitwit
pretender who stole his work from others. Einstein's own generation of
physicists did not believe that. How is this contradiction to be
resolved? Simple. The defamers are liars.
snip

They're not liars; they merely wish to destroy productive
work. Einstein is chosen because everybody acknowledges
that he was smart, including those who wish to prove he
was not smart. This is the beautiful irony of their effort.

Also because he was a single recognizable personality that brought
relativity to the world, a theory that can be worked with using high
school algebra. That can't be said for quantum mechanics, which has a
multitude of personalities associated with its evolution, and there's
really nothing you can do with it without somewhat advanced math.

We had a project prevention person. His trick was to ensure
that the guys would spend their time on proving that his tests
didn't work. Finally, TW told him that nothing was ever going
to be done so that those tests would run without error. It
didn't stop him from using the error reports of the runs to
hold up ships. And he did this same set of tests, night after
night (using scarce stand alone time), project after project
after project. He refused to write tests to test the new stuff
(which was his job). Before you ask the obvious, the answer is
office politics.

Just to make it clear to the logic-challenged: these tests would
report an error if certain pieces of functionality worked.

/BAH




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