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Old July 26th 03 posted to sci.physics.relativity,sci.physics
Patrick Reany
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Default Pauli credits Einstein for his contributions to QM

Some defamers of Einstein wrongfully charge him with being a nitwit
pretender who stole his work from others. Einstein's own generation of
physicists did not believe that. How is this contradiction to be
resolved? Simple. The defamers are liars.

Below is a testimony from Wolfgang Pauli about Einstein's huge
contributions to QM, found in

EINSTEIN'S CONTRIBUTIONS TO QUANTUM THEORY, p149--160, Albert
Einstein, Philosopher-Scientist, Vol 1.

The entire essay is an honor to Einstein's contributions to QM. I
offer just one excerpt from it:

--- p.155 ---

......

With Bohr's successful application of quantum theory to the
explanation of the line spectra of the elements with help of his
well-known two "fundamental postulates of quantum theory" (1913), a
rapid development started, in the course of which the quantum theory
was liberated from the restriction to such particular systems as
Planck's oscillators.

Therefore the problem arose of deriving Planck's radiation formula
using general assumptions holding for all atomic systems in accordance
with Bohr's postulates. This problem was solved by Einstein in 1917 in
a famous paper [13] which can be considered as the peak of one stage
of Einstein's achievements in quantum theory (see also [10] and [11])
and as the ripe fruit of his earlier work on the Brownian movement.
With the help of general statistical laws for the spontaneous and
induced emission processes and for the absorption processes which are
the inverse of the former, he could derive Planck's formula under the
assumption of the validity of two general relations between the three
co-efficients which determine the frequency of these processes and
which, if one of these co-efficients is given, permits the computation
of the other two. As these results of Einstein are today contained in
all textbooks of quantum theory, it is hardly necessary to discuss
here the details of this theory and its later generalization to more
complicated radiation processes [15].

Patrick
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Old July 26th 03 posted to sci.physics.relativity,sci.physics
Gregory L. Hansen
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Default Pauli credits Einstein for his contributions to QM

In article ,
Patrick Reany wrote:
Some defamers of Einstein wrongfully charge him with being a nitwit
pretender who stole his work from others. Einstein's own generation of
physicists did not believe that. How is this contradiction to be
resolved? Simple. The defamers are liars.


Any Einstein defamer can tell you that the only reason the obviously wrong
theory of relativity has been maintained around the world for a hundred
years is because of brainwashing and indoctrination in schools where
students are taught that theory and made to swear oaths of faith. This is
reinforced by the great wealth they gain from propagating the theory, from
money generated by the popular lectures at night clubs, and best selling
books like _Gravitation_ whose sales are only exceeded by Harry Potter.
This, of course, started when Einstein was a powerful and influential
patent clerk. How destructive a formal education is to the thinking
process can be seen by the fact that even anti-Jewish scientists
of pre-WWII Germany had to resort to personal attacks and racial slurs
because they couldn't overcome their brainwashing to find the flaws in the
theory. Surely, the true science of the future will be given us on Usenet
by uneducated ordinary folk with no knowledge of data that has come
before, or the problems that past theory tried to overcome.
--
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executed next week."
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Old July 26th 03 posted to sci.physics.relativity,sci.physics
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"Patrick Reany" wrote in message
om...
Some defamers of Einstein wrongfully charge him with being a nitwit
pretender who stole his work from others. Einstein's own generation of
physicists did not believe that. How is this contradiction to be
resolved? Simple. The defamers are liars.

Below is a testimony from Wolfgang Pauli about Einstein's huge
contributions to QM, found in

EINSTEIN'S CONTRIBUTIONS TO QUANTUM THEORY, p149--160, Albert
Einstein, Philosopher-Scientist, Vol 1.

The entire essay is an honor to Einstein's contributions to QM. I
offer just one excerpt from it:

--- p.155 ---

.....

With Bohr's successful application of quantum theory to the
explanation of the line spectra of the elements with help of his
well-known two "fundamental postulates of quantum theory" (1913), a
rapid development started, in the course of which the quantum theory
was liberated from the restriction to such particular systems as
Planck's oscillators.

Therefore the problem arose of deriving Planck's radiation formula
using general assumptions holding for all atomic systems in accordance
with Bohr's postulates. This problem was solved by Einstein in 1917 in
a famous paper [13] which can be considered as the peak of one stage
of Einstein's achievements in quantum theory (see also [10] and [11])
and as the ripe fruit of his earlier work on the Brownian movement.
With the help of general statistical laws for the spontaneous and
induced emission processes and for the absorption processes which are
the inverse of the former, he could derive Planck's formula under the
assumption of the validity of two general relations between the three
co-efficients which determine the frequency of these processes and
which, if one of these co-efficients is given, permits the computation
of the other two. As these results of Einstein are today contained in
all textbooks of quantum theory, it is hardly necessary to discuss
here the details of this theory and its later generalization to more
complicated radiation processes [15].

Patrick


As can be seen, Wolfgang Pauli,
who was firmly in the Q.M. camp,
used Einstein's achievements in areas
other than Relativity, to put Einstein under
the Q.M. umbrella.

Note that thrust of Pauli's praise focused on
the men central to success of Q.M. (Bohr, Planck,
and no doubt himself (Pauli)),
and that his praise focused on the Q.M.
aspects of Einstein's work,
(Brownian movement, Bose-Einstein statistics),
and note that Pauli, like Bohr, could have been using
sarcasm, as Bose was the originator of boson statistics.

--
Tom Potter http://tompotter.us



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Old July 27th 03 posted to sci.physics.relativity,sci.physics
Tom Potter
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Default Pauli credits Einstein for his contributions to QM

(David Evens) wrote in message ...
On Sat, 26 Jul 2003 22:09:19 +0800, "Tom Potter"
wrote:
"Patrick Reany" wrote in message
. com...
Some defamers of Einstein wrongfully charge him with being a nitwit
pretender who stole his work from others. Einstein's own generation of
physicists did not believe that. How is this contradiction to be
resolved? Simple. The defamers are liars.

Below is a testimony from Wolfgang Pauli about Einstein's huge
contributions to QM, found in

EINSTEIN'S CONTRIBUTIONS TO QUANTUM THEORY, p149--160, Albert
Einstein, Philosopher-Scientist, Vol 1.

The entire essay is an honor to Einstein's contributions to QM. I
offer just one excerpt from it:

--- p.155 ---

.....

With Bohr's successful application of quantum theory to the
explanation of the line spectra of the elements with help of his
well-known two "fundamental postulates of quantum theory" (1913), a
rapid development started, in the course of which the quantum theory
was liberated from the restriction to such particular systems as
Planck's oscillators.

Therefore the problem arose of deriving Planck's radiation formula
using general assumptions holding for all atomic systems in accordance
with Bohr's postulates. This problem was solved by Einstein in 1917 in
a famous paper [13] which can be considered as the peak of one stage
of Einstein's achievements in quantum theory (see also [10] and [11])
and as the ripe fruit of his earlier work on the Brownian movement.
With the help of general statistical laws for the spontaneous and
induced emission processes and for the absorption processes which are
the inverse of the former, he could derive Planck's formula under the
assumption of the validity of two general relations between the three
co-efficients which determine the frequency of these processes and
which, if one of these co-efficients is given, permits the computation
of the other two. As these results of Einstein are today contained in
all textbooks of quantum theory, it is hardly necessary to discuss
here the details of this theory and its later generalization to more
complicated radiation processes [15].

Patrick


As can be seen, Wolfgang Pauli,
who was firmly in the Q.M. camp,
used Einstein's achievements in areas
other than Relativity, to put Einstein under
the Q.M. umbrella.

Note that thrust of Pauli's praise focused on
the men central to success of Q.M. (Bohr, Planck,
and no doubt himself (Pauli)),
and that his praise focused on the Q.M.
aspects of Einstein's work,
(Brownian movement, Bose-Einstein statistics),
and note that Pauli, like Bohr, could have been using
sarcasm, as Bose was the originator of boson statistics.


Well, were Tom 'Potty the Vandal' Potter more familiar with physics,
he would know about things like Bose-Einstein condensates and the fact
that it was Einstein who proved the quantisation of light as well as
matter.


Maybe you should read the paper Planck's wrote in 1900.

If you understood physics, you might comprehend that
Einstein's 1905 photoelectric effect, which was inspired by
the Planck paper, indicates that atoms absorb light
in quantum amounts of Planck's action,
and that the light that is not absorbed
goes on its' merry way.

But what does this have to do with the thread,
Pauli's left-handed complement of Einstein,
and my post?


Tom Potter
http://tompotter.us
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Old July 27th 03 posted to sci.physics.relativity,sci.physics
Gregory L. Hansen
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Default Pauli credits Einstein for his contributions to QM

In article ,
David Evens wrote:

Well, were Tom 'Potty the Vandal' Potter more familiar with physics,
he would know about things like Bose-Einstein condensates and the fact
that it was Einstein who proved the quantisation of light as well as
matter.


"A and B coefficients", he almost got the specific heat of crystals right
except he used a single frequency instead of a distribution, I think he
worked out the population inversion. His name shows up a number of times
in a typical book on statistical physics.

--
"A good plan executed right now is far better than a perfect plan
executed next week."
-Gen. George S. Patton
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Old July 28th 03 posted to sci.physics.relativity,sci.physics
David Evens
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Default Pauli credits Einstein for his contributions to QM

On 27 Jul 2003 04:23:50 -0700, (Tom Potter) wrote:
(David Evens) wrote in message ...
On Sat, 26 Jul 2003 22:09:19 +0800, "Tom Potter"
wrote:
"Patrick Reany" wrote in message
. com...
Some defamers of Einstein wrongfully charge him with being a nitwit
pretender who stole his work from others. Einstein's own generation of
physicists did not believe that. How is this contradiction to be
resolved? Simple. The defamers are liars.

Below is a testimony from Wolfgang Pauli about Einstein's huge
contributions to QM, found in

EINSTEIN'S CONTRIBUTIONS TO QUANTUM THEORY, p149--160, Albert
Einstein, Philosopher-Scientist, Vol 1.

The entire essay is an honor to Einstein's contributions to QM. I
offer just one excerpt from it:

--- p.155 ---

.....

With Bohr's successful application of quantum theory to the
explanation of the line spectra of the elements with help of his
well-known two "fundamental postulates of quantum theory" (1913), a
rapid development started, in the course of which the quantum theory
was liberated from the restriction to such particular systems as
Planck's oscillators.

Therefore the problem arose of deriving Planck's radiation formula
using general assumptions holding for all atomic systems in accordance
with Bohr's postulates. This problem was solved by Einstein in 1917 in
a famous paper [13] which can be considered as the peak of one stage
of Einstein's achievements in quantum theory (see also [10] and [11])
and as the ripe fruit of his earlier work on the Brownian movement.
With the help of general statistical laws for the spontaneous and
induced emission processes and for the absorption processes which are
the inverse of the former, he could derive Planck's formula under the
assumption of the validity of two general relations between the three
co-efficients which determine the frequency of these processes and
which, if one of these co-efficients is given, permits the computation
of the other two. As these results of Einstein are today contained in
all textbooks of quantum theory, it is hardly necessary to discuss
here the details of this theory and its later generalization to more
complicated radiation processes [15].

Patrick

As can be seen, Wolfgang Pauli,
who was firmly in the Q.M. camp,
used Einstein's achievements in areas
other than Relativity, to put Einstein under
the Q.M. umbrella.

Note that thrust of Pauli's praise focused on
the men central to success of Q.M. (Bohr, Planck,
and no doubt himself (Pauli)),
and that his praise focused on the Q.M.
aspects of Einstein's work,
(Brownian movement, Bose-Einstein statistics),
and note that Pauli, like Bohr, could have been using
sarcasm, as Bose was the originator of boson statistics.


Well, were Tom 'Potty the Vandal' Potter more familiar with physics,
he would know about things like Bose-Einstein condensates and the fact
that it was Einstein who proved the quantisation of light as well as
matter.


Maybe you should read the paper Planck's wrote in 1900.


Yoyu mean the paper that he DIDN'T win the Nobel prize for?

If you understood physics, you might comprehend that
Einstein's 1905 photoelectric effect, which was inspired by
the Planck paper, indicates that atoms absorb light
in quantum amounts of Planck's action,
and that the light that is not absorbed
goes on its' merry way.


He didn't understand what was going on, all he could do was describe
the relationship between frequency and maximum energy of electron
emmision. Einstein got the Nobel Prize mainly for figuring out WHY
there was this relationship and what the previously mysterious Work
Function actually IS.

But what does this have to do with the thread,
Pauli's left-handed complement of Einstein,
and my post?


What post would that be? You made no post with a left-handed
complement of Einstein by Pauli. You merely HOPED it was. Or, more
likely, halucinated it was in your anti-semitic daze.


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Old July 28th 03 posted to sci.physics.relativity,sci.physics
David Evens
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On Sun, 27 Jul 2003 12:07:20 +0000 (UTC),
(Gregory L. Hansen) wrote:
In article ,
David Evens wrote:

Well, were Tom 'Potty the Vandal' Potter more familiar with physics,
he would know about things like Bose-Einstein condensates and the fact
that it was Einstein who proved the quantisation of light as well as
matter.


"A and B coefficients", he almost got the specific heat of crystals right
except he used a single frequency instead of a distribution, I think he
worked out the population inversion. His name shows up a number of times
in a typical book on statistical physics.


Ah, yes, I had forgotten about that. Einstein did indeed do the
theoretical work on population inversion. For those (like, for
instanvce, Tom 'Potty the Vandal' Potter) who are unfamilir with this
term, it is a key part of the theoretical basis of the LASER effect.
Albert Einstein worked out the theoretical basis of LASER technology.
(Like Newton, the fact that he didn't LIKE the model only made him
work on it harder, even if only in hopes of proving that it is
broken.)


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Old July 28th 03 posted to sci.physics.relativity,sci.physics
Gregory L. Hansen
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In article ,
David Evens wrote:
On Sun, 27 Jul 2003 12:07:20 +0000 (UTC),
(Gregory L. Hansen) wrote:
In article ,
David Evens wrote:

Well, were Tom 'Potty the Vandal' Potter more familiar with physics,
he would know about things like Bose-Einstein condensates and the fact
that it was Einstein who proved the quantisation of light as well as
matter.


"A and B coefficients", he almost got the specific heat of crystals right
except he used a single frequency instead of a distribution, I think he
worked out the population inversion. His name shows up a number of times
in a typical book on statistical physics.


Ah, yes, I had forgotten about that. Einstein did indeed do the
theoretical work on population inversion. For those (like, for
instanvce, Tom 'Potty the Vandal' Potter) who are unfamilir with this
term, it is a key part of the theoretical basis of the LASER effect.
Albert Einstein worked out the theoretical basis of LASER technology.
(Like Newton, the fact that he didn't LIKE the model only made him
work on it harder, even if only in hopes of proving that it is
broken.)


I don't want to name names in general or cast aspersions onto Tom in
particular, but contrast Einstein with some of the cranks around here.
Einstein didn't like quantum theory, he thought there must be something
wrong or incomplete about it. In fact, he tried to bring it down, tried
to find contradictions in it with his gedankenexperiments.

And yet, he learned the theory. He studied the experimental evidence, he
recognized it produced the right numbers, he did useful things with it.
Contrast that with someone who deliberately remains ignorant because he
doesn't want to learn a theory that he already knows is false, or doesn't
even try to find out what kind of experimental backing it has so he'll
maybe find out what is and isn't wrong about it, doesn't even try to find
out what problems that theory was devised to overcome or why scientists a
hundred years ago rejected the cranks' favorite alternatives. They try
to explain why a theory is wrong when they don't even know what it says,
give some alternative as if nobody had considered it before, and then they
wonder why everyone else thinks they're silly, and they call themselves
scientists and Einstein a fraud.
--
"A good plan executed right now is far better than a perfect plan
executed next week."
-Gen. George S. Patton
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Old July 28th 03 posted to sci.physics.relativity,sci.physics
Harry
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"Patrick Reany" wrote in message
om...
Some defamers of Einstein wrongfully charge him with being a nitwit
pretender who stole his work from others. Einstein's own generation of
physicists did not believe that. How is this contradiction to be
resolved? Simple. The defamers are liars.


I am impressed by your ability to oversimplification.

Harald


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Old July 29th 03 posted to sci.physics.relativity,sci.physics
Patrick Reany
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Default Pauli credits Einstein for his contributions to QM

"Harry" wrote in message ...
"Patrick Reany" wrote in message
om...
Some defamers of Einstein wrongfully charge him with being a nitwit
pretender who stole his work from others. Einstein's own generation of
physicists did not believe that. How is this contradiction to be
resolved? Simple. The defamers are liars.


I am impressed by your ability to oversimplification.

Harald


Yeah, I was born with that gift.

Patrick
 




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