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Old February 10th 08 posted to sci.physics, sci.physics.relativity, rec.org.mensa
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Albert Einstein's said a train approaching the speed of light will
contract. This is wrong. From what end of the train does the
contraction start?

The form of the universe is an hypersphere. This is Einstein's closed
universe finite yet unbounded. If space contracts that hypersphere
would become flat. It would create a pancake universe where one
dimension is disappearing. It simply is not possible for the motion of
an object to cause an outside dimension of the entire universe to
shrink.

Only the time metric contracts. Space does not shrink and distance
remains always the same.

Mitch Raemsch Twice Nobel Laurate 2008


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Old February 11th 08 posted to sci.physics, sci.physics.relativity, rec.org.mensa
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On Feb 10, 5:38*pm, wrote:
Albert Einstein's said a train approaching the speed of light will
contract. This is wrong. From what end of the train does the
contraction start?

The form of the universe is an hypersphere. This is Einstein's closed
universe finite yet unbounded. If space contracts that hypersphere
would become flat. It would create a pancake universe where one
dimension is disappearing. It simply is not possible for the motion of
an object to cause an outside dimension of the entire universe to
shrink.

Only the time metric contracts. Space does not shrink and distance
remains always the same.

Mitch Raemsch Twice Nobel Laurate 2008


xxein: Run that one by me again. Who says that space contracts?
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Old February 11th 08 posted to sci.physics,sci.physics.relativity,rec.org.mensa
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xxein wrote:

On Feb 10, 5:38 pm, wrote:
Albert Einstein's said a train approaching the speed of light will
contract. This is wrong. From what end of the train does the
contraction start?

The form of the universe is an hypersphere. This is Einstein's closed
universe finite yet unbounded. If space contracts that hypersphere
would become flat. It would create a pancake universe where one
dimension is disappearing. It simply is not possible for the motion of
an object to cause an outside dimension of the entire universe to
shrink.

Only the time metric contracts. Space does not shrink and distance
remains always the same.

Mitch Raemsch Twice Nobel Laurate 2008


xxein: Run that one by me again. Who says that space contracts?


It doesn't. That's just him putting on weight and noticing that his belt
is getting tighter.

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Pessimist: "The glass is half-empty."
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Old February 11th 08 posted to sci.physics, sci.physics.relativity, rec.org.mensa
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On Feb 10, 4:45*pm, xxein wrote:
On Feb 10, 5:38*pm, wrote:

Albert Einstein's said a train approaching the speed of light will
contract. This is wrong. From what end of the train does the
contraction start?


The form of the universe is an hypersphere. This is Einstein's closed
universe finite yet unbounded. If space contracts that hypersphere
would become flat. It would create a pancake universe where one
dimension is disappearing. It simply is not possible for the motion of
an object to cause an outside dimension of the entire universe to
shrink.


Only the time metric contracts. Space does not shrink and distance
remains always the same.


Mitch Raemsch Twice Nobel Laurate 2008


xxein: *Run that one by me again. *Who says that space contracts?


Lorentz and Albert Einstein did.

Mitch Raemsch Twice Nobel Laureate 2008
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Old February 11th 08 posted to sci.physics, sci.physics.relativity, rec.org.mensa
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On Feb 10, 8:21*pm, "Paul Hovnanian P.E." wrote:
xxeinwrote:

On Feb 10, 5:38 pm, wrote:
Albert Einstein's said a train approaching the speed of light will
contract. This is wrong. From what end of the train does the
contraction start?


The form of the universe is an hypersphere. This is Einstein's closed
universe finite yet unbounded. If space contracts that hypersphere
would become flat. It would create a pancake universe where one
dimension is disappearing. It simply is not possible for the motion of
an object to cause an outside dimension of the entire universe to
shrink.


Only the time metric contracts. Space does not shrink and distance
remains always the same.


Mitch Raemsch Twice Nobel Laurate 2008


xxein: *Run that one by me again. *Who says that space contracts?


It doesn't. That's just him putting on weight and noticing that his belt
is getting tighter.

--
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Pessimist: "The glass is half-empty."
Engineer: *"The glass is twice as big as it needs to be."- Hide quoted text -

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xxein: And the environmentalist asks the engineer "Why do you need so
much, anyway?"
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Old February 11th 08 posted to sci.physics, sci.physics.relativity, rec.org.mensa
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On Feb 10, 7:40*pm, xxein wrote:
On Feb 10, 8:21*pm, "Paul Hovnanian P.E." wrote:





xxeinwrote:


On Feb 10, 5:38 pm, wrote:
Albert Einstein's said a train approaching the speed of light will
contract. This is wrong. From what end of the train does the
contraction start?


The form of the universe is an hypersphere. This is Einstein's closed
universe finite yet unbounded. If space contracts that hypersphere
would become flat. It would create a pancake universe where one
dimension is disappearing. It simply is not possible for the motion of
an object to cause an outside dimension of the entire universe to
shrink.


Only the time metric contracts. Space does not shrink and distance
remains always the same.


Mitch Raemsch Twice Nobel Laurate 2008


xxein: *Run that one by me again. *Who says that space contracts?


It doesn't. That's just him putting on weight and noticing that his belt
is getting tighter.


--
Paul Hovnanian * *
------------------------------------------------------------------
Optimist: *"The glass is half-full."
Pessimist: "The glass is half-empty."
Engineer: *"The glass is twice as big as it needs to be."- Hide quoted text -


- Show quoted text -


xxein: *And the environmentalist asks the engineer "Why do you need so
much, anyway?"- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


I see you don't have anything of value in response.

You are not even posting a counter agrument to my demonstratation of
the nonsense prediction of a fast moving train shrinking.

How could motion shrink an entire dimension of the universe?
Motion cannot change the size of the universe.

Please show me where I am wrong.

Mitch Raemsch Twice Nobel Laureate 2008
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Old February 11th 08 posted to sci.physics, sci.physics.relativity, rec.org.mensa
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On Feb 10, 9:35*pm, wrote:
On Feb 10, wrote:





On Feb 10, 5:38*pm, wrote:


Albert Einstein's said a train approaching the speed of light will
contract. This is wrong. From what end of the train does the
contraction start?


The form of the universe is an hypersphere. This is Einstein's closed
universe finite yet unbounded. If space contracts that hypersphere
would become flat. It would create a pancake universe where one
dimension is disappearing. It simply is not possible for the motion of
an object to cause an outside dimension of the entire universe to
shrink.


Only the time metric contracts. Space does not shrink and distance
remains always the same.


Mitch Raemsch Twice Nobel Laurate 2008


xxein: *Run that one by me again. *Who says that space contracts?


Lorentz and Albert Einstein did.

Mitch Raemsch Twice Nobel Laureate 2008- Hide quoted text -

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xxein: No they didn't. Lorentz was very clear about this. It was
mass objects like from atoms to moons. Not space.

Einstein, otoh, leaves it to whatever the math he gives describes to
the beholder. He was unclear even to himself. He bathed in math but
was unsure of the physic it implied. Many of his math interpretations
bothered the hell out of his logic. Not all though.

A careful study of of his writings shows that he was, and remained,
unsure of the physical implications of his GRT math.

I will give you that he could entertain the idea that gravity would
act like a contraction of space just as an overall universal expansion
would do the opposite, but length contraction remained to him specific
to v/c just as his predecessors had envisioned it.

Btw, Einstein received a Nobel for a bogus explanation of the photo-
electric effect. What is "Twice Nobel Laureate 2008"?
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Old February 11th 08 posted to sci.physics,sci.physics.relativity,rec.org.mensa
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"xxein" wrote in message
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On Feb 10, 8:21 pm, "Paul Hovnanian P.E." wrote:
xxeinwrote:

On Feb 10, 5:38 pm, wrote:
Albert Einstein's said a train approaching the speed of light will
contract. This is wrong. From what end of the train does the
contraction start?


The form of the universe is an hypersphere. This is Einstein's closed
universe finite yet unbounded. If space contracts that hypersphere
would become flat. It would create a pancake universe where one
dimension is disappearing. It simply is not possible for the motion of
an object to cause an outside dimension of the entire universe to
shrink.


Only the time metric contracts. Space does not shrink and distance
remains always the same.


Mitch Raemsch Twice Nobel Laurate 2008


xxein: Run that one by me again. Who says that space contracts?


It doesn't. That's just him putting on weight and noticing that his belt
is getting tighter.

--
Paul Hovnanian
------------------------------------------------------------------
Optimist: "The glass is half-full."
Pessimist: "The glass is half-empty."
Engineer: "The glass is twice as big as it needs to be."- Hide quoted
text -

- Show quoted text -


xxein: And the environmentalist asks the engineer "Why do you need so
much, anyway?"

Geez you stupid ****.


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Old February 11th 08 posted to sci.physics,sci.physics.relativity,rec.org.mensa
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"xxein" wrote in message
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On Feb 10, 5:38 pm, wrote:
Albert Einstein's said a train approaching the speed of light will
contract. This is wrong. From what end of the train does the
contraction start?

The form of the universe is an hypersphere. This is Einstein's closed
universe finite yet unbounded. If space contracts that hypersphere
would become flat. It would create a pancake universe where one
dimension is disappearing. It simply is not possible for the motion of
an object to cause an outside dimension of the entire universe to
shrink.

Only the time metric contracts. Space does not shrink and distance
remains always the same.

Mitch Raemsch Twice Nobel Laurate 2008


xxein: Run that one by me again. Who says that space contracts?

It doesn't, geez you stupid ****.


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Old February 11th 08 posted to sci.physics,sci.physics.relativity,rec.org.mensa
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"xxein" wrote in message
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On Feb 10, 9:35 pm, wrote:
On Feb 10, 4:45 wrote:





On Feb 10, 5:38 pm, wrote:


Albert Einstein's said a train approaching the speed of light will
contract. This is wrong. From what end of the train does the
contraction start?


The form of the universe is an hypersphere. This is Einstein's closed
universe finite yet unbounded. If space contracts that hypersphere
would become flat. It would create a pancake universe where one
dimension is disappearing. It simply is not possible for the motion of
an object to cause an outside dimension of the entire universe to
shrink.


Only the time metric contracts. Space does not shrink and distance
remains always the same.


Mitch Raemsch Twice Nobel Laurate 2008


xxein: Run that one by me again. Who says that space contracts?


Lorentz and Albert Einstein did.

Mitch Raemsch Twice Nobel Laureate 2008- Hide quoted text -

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xxein: No they didn't. Lorentz was very clear about this.

Lorentz could squeeze an object with one jaw of a vise and make the
sound of one hand clapping, geez you stupid ****.



 




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