The Special Theory of Relativity is dead

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"June R Harton" wrote:
Now answer the question. How do you cross a road successfully
without using time as a dimension?

You missed the point......IMAGINATION
So you are backing down from your assertion that time isn't a
dimension.

You need to work on your reading comprehension skills.


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Probably not. But I got the concept of reference frame across
to my brother by describing the pathway of a bouncing ball
on a moving train by having him think about standing on the train
and then having him think about standing outside the train and
watching it pass by. The same movement appears to be two
different things depending on whether or not you're moving
with the train.

That's pretty good. now, did you also help him see that "time"
is not really slowing down and that it is simply retardation of change
taking place in the local system due to it's velocity?

You should also attempt to help him understand that continuity takes
place without any time dimension at all...it's a little tricky but can be
done.




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This seems to be a classic semantic confusion concerning the meaning of
the
word "dimension." Physicists use it the same way mathematicians do - in
the
sense of an algebraic dimension,

You apparently do not realize the import of your own words, laddie.

while June seems to comprehend only the
vulgar definition in the sense of a topological dimension.

http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Dimension.html

What June seems to fail to understand is that an object that has finite
extent in only three spatial dimensions and an *infinitesimal* duration
("extent" in the time dimension) arguably has no physical existence, as
it
has no time in which to interact physically with anything else.

Having done statistical mechanics, I am quite comfortable with the
notion
of
"phase space" - in which the state of a system of one mole of particles
is
described by 6 dimensions FOR EACH PARTICLE - a total of 6 * 6.023*10^23
dimensions - each of which is an independent variable such that any
point
in
that hyperdimensional space describes a possible state of the system,
and
by
default, the state of the system is described exactly by one point
somewhere
in that space.

Similarly, the state of a Rubik's Cube can be described by a path in 6
dimensions.

You will never be able to pass that level of understanding along to
someone
who has no background in abstract algebra.


Tom Davidson
Richmond, VA

Tom, you have completely missed the point.

There really is NO time dimension:

http://cdsweb.cern.ch/search.py?recid=622019

You still haven't answered the question: How do you cross
a road successfully without using time as a dimension?

/BAH

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In article ,
"June R Harton" wrote:

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Probably not. But I got the concept of reference frame across
to my brother by describing the pathway of a bouncing ball
on a moving train by having him think about standing on the train
and then having him think about standing outside the train and
watching it pass by. The same movement appears to be two
different things depending on whether or not you're moving
with the train.

That's pretty good. now, did you also help him see that "time"
is not really slowing down and that it is simply retardation of change
taking place in the local system due to it's velocity?

HUH? Change of what?


You should also attempt to help him understand that continuity takes
place without any time dimension at all...it's a little tricky but can be
done.



Continuity of what? Most people have enough common sense to
know a time dimension exists. Payroll clerks know about time.
People who like soft-boiled eggs know about time as a dimension.

Now answer the question. How do you cross a road successfully
without using time as a dimension?

/BAH

Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail.

In article ,
"June R Harton" wrote:

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In article ,
"June R Harton" wrote:
Now answer the question. How do you cross a road successfully
without using time as a dimension?

You missed the point......IMAGINATION
So you are backing down from your assertion that time isn't a
dimension.

You need to work on your reading comprehension skills.

I was taught that a string of words ending with a question mark
had a particular meaning. You have not learned that part yet.

/BAH

Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail.

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In article ,
"June R Harton" wrote:

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Probably not. But I got the concept of reference frame across
to my brother by describing the pathway of a bouncing ball
on a moving train by having him think about standing on the train
and then having him think about standing outside the train and
watching it pass by. The same movement appears to be two
different things depending on whether or not you're moving
with the train.

That's pretty good. now, did you also help him see that "time"
is not really slowing down and that it is simply retardation of change
taking place in the local system due to it's velocity?

HUH? Change of what?


You should also attempt to help him understand that continuity takes
place without any time dimension at all...it's a little tricky but can be
done.



Continuity of what? Most people have enough common sense to
know a time dimension exists. Payroll clerks know about time.
People who like soft-boiled eggs know about time as a dimension.

Now answer the question. How do you cross a road successfully
without using time as a dimension?


My, you really don't understand! I thought you were just playing the fool!

Here, study of the following may help get you started:

http://spartan.ac.brocku.ca/~lward/b...n_1910_02.html



from: Spirit of Truth

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In article ,
"June R Harton" wrote:

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In article ,
"June R Harton" wrote:
Now answer the question. How do you cross a road successfully
without using time as a dimension?

You missed the point......IMAGINATION
So you are backing down from your assertion that time isn't a
dimension.

You need to work on your reading comprehension skills.

I was taught that a string of words ending with a question mark
had a particular meaning. You have not learned that part yet.

For that problem you have, try...a string of words is nothing
if it is not an understanding, laddie.


from: Spirit of Truth

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In article ,
"June R Harton" wrote:

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In article ,
"June R Harton" wrote:

wrote in message
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Probably not. But I got the concept of reference frame across
to my brother by describing the pathway of a bouncing ball
on a moving train by having him think about standing on the train
and then having him think about standing outside the train and
watching it pass by. The same movement appears to be two
different things depending on whether or not you're moving
with the train.

That's pretty good. now, did you also help him see that "time"
is not really slowing down and that it is simply retardation of change
taking place in the local system due to it's velocity?

HUH? Change of what?


You should also attempt to help him understand that continuity takes
place without any time dimension at all...it's a little tricky but can
be
done.



Continuity of what? Most people have enough common sense to
know a time dimension exists. Payroll clerks know about time.
People who like soft-boiled eggs know about time as a dimension.

Now answer the question. How do you cross a road successfully
without using time as a dimension?


My, you really don't understand! I thought you were just playing the fool!

Do you know how to answer a question?

__ Yes.

__ No.

__ None of the above.


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/BAH

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In article ,
"June R Harton" wrote:

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In article ,
"June R Harton" wrote:

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Probably not. But I got the concept of reference frame across
to my brother by describing the pathway of a bouncing ball
on a moving train by having him think about standing on the train
and then having him think about standing outside the train and
watching it pass by. The same movement appears to be two
different things depending on whether or not you're moving
with the train.

That's pretty good. now, did you also help him see that "time"
is not really slowing down and that it is simply retardation of change
taking place in the local system due to it's velocity?

HUH? Change of what?


You should also attempt to help him understand that continuity takes
place without any time dimension at all...it's a little tricky but can
be
done.



Continuity of what? Most people have enough common sense to
know a time dimension exists. Payroll clerks know about time.
People who like soft-boiled eggs know about time as a dimension.

Now answer the question. How do you cross a road successfully
without using time as a dimension?


My, you really don't understand! I thought you were just playing the
fool!

Do you know how to answer a question?

Su


My, you really don't understand! I thought you were just playing the fool!

Here, study of the following may help get you started:

http://spartan.ac.brocku.ca/~lward/b...n_1910_02.html



from: Spirit of Truth

(using June's e-mail to communicate to you)!