Only for the VERY Open-Minded...

shall we play a game?

your answer is either true or false

the replies thus far have been negative or falsehood on your part.

if the answer is false, then what are the reasons
1. outright lying - amusement of responses
2. outright lying - for a purpose (purpose unknown)
3. not lying, but being lied to (deceit)-- someone has played a trick
on you
a) someone manipulating your environment

if the answer is true then
we are not alone- another person from history had similar accounts,
I think his name was Moses.


holog


Jbex wrote:
Hi,

I am an electrical engineer living in Salt Lake City, Utah (USA).
For the past several months my wife and I have been dealing
with a new reality that in some respects is a dream come true
but in others is also a nightmare. I know that the majority of
people who frequent this newsgroup (and other hard science-
based newsgroups) tend to dismiss those topics which flirt
with the fringes of our know science; but for those who really
think they want to know the universal truths as opposed to just
giving it lip service, I'm offering the opportunity for you to
pose a series of questions to those with knowledge millions
of years in advance of our own. So if you think you're smart
enough to come up with a series of yes/no questions, the
answers to which can at least prove to yourself the validity
of what I'm about to tell you, then the challenge has been
put forth and it's up to you whether you wish to accept it.
I have also attached a more detailed explanation of the
situation as well as a couple of pictures of our friends taken
from one of our TV screens (on which they often appear
when the power isn't even turned on!) to provide more
context for anyone who is interested.

"holog" wrote in message
.. .
shall we play a game?

your answer is either true or false

the replies thus far have been negative or falsehood on your part.

if the answer is false, then what are the reasons
1. outright lying - amusement of responses
2. outright lying - for a purpose (purpose unknown)
3. not lying, but being lied to (deceit)-- someone has played a trick
on you
a) someone manipulating your environment

if the answer is true then
we are not alone- another person from history had similar accounts,
I think his name was Moses.


holog


Well all I can really say is that I know that the claim I am making
is pretty damn far out there and were I on the outside looking
in, I too would be quite skeptical. However, as I said in an earlier
post, we do have some sort of EM (or other force) field that
follows my wife and I wherever we go. And as an electrical
engineer I do know enough about electromagnetism, optics,
etc., to know that the mere visual effects of this field alone
would be enough to blow the mind of anyone with sufficient
knowledge of physics. Or to at least cause enough bewilderment
in anyone GENUINELY in search of truth to make them
want to set up shop and study the phenomena. But most
qualified people are way too afraid of being connected to such
a fringe topic to even touch it with a ten foot magnetic pole.

So for now, all I can do is continue my current proposition to
allow people to send me questions that I will then pose to our
friends; and also to offer to send anyone who is interested the
many pictures, video, and documentation that we have created
over the course of the last several months. Other than that, all
I can really do is plead my case as genuine and continue to
follow the course that has been laid out for my wife and me by
our new friends.

In direct response to your post though, I will say that in no
way do I compare ourselves to Moses (I don't think I could
spend 40 years stumbling through an air-conditioned, well-
supplied paradise - let alone a harsh unforgiving desert). I
will tell you though that one of the pictures that we were shown
was that of what appeared to be Moses standing on top of a
mountain with stone tablets in hand and the image of what
appeared to be a humanoid ET whispering something into
his ear. Make of that what you will.

As for the possibility that we're being deceived - I have an
IQ of around 160 and someone would have to be much
smarter than that to trick me so thoroughly. And I can't
imagine what some genius would have to gain by breaking
into our apartment on a regular basis and spending so much
time and effort creating such an illusion, can you?

jbex

ok jbex here we go

start with falses
1. kids -- are there any kids in your apartment complex?
2. please don't state your apparent I.Q. -- 160 yeah right-- you and 4
other people in the universe, no just you.
3. with an I.Q. of 160 I would think that you would have noticed this
newsgroup is about physics and not about
aliens, ufos, paranormal, etc. Try posting this on alt. aliens.
research---I'm sure you will have hundreds of people
at your doorstep by morning.
4. besides if you can not recognize the only north american bird that is
entirely red for get about it.


sorry had to do that

hey if your story is true, start dumping the info;
I need space propulsion schematics
new inventions
vaccines for aids
how the world is won
anything -- let go , tell us


holog

"holog" wrote in message
...
ok jbex here we go

start with falses
1. kids -- are there any kids in your apartment complex?

Well of course there are kids in our complex. But we don't have any
and they certainly couldn't get in here without us noticing: my wife is
very protective of her cats.

2. please don't state your apparent I.Q. -- 160 yeah right-- you and 4
other people in the universe, no just you.

Well actually that is my IQ - I was tested several times as a kid because
I scored so well on all those fill-in-the-circle standardized tests. However
I will concede that I may have shaved off a few points due to the use of
various chemicals in college. %^) Honestly though, IQs of that caliber
are much more common than most people realize. I'm sure that compared
to many of the people in this group I'm just average at best.

3. with an I.Q. of 160 I would think that you would have noticed this
newsgroup is about physics and not about
aliens, ufos, paranormal, etc. Try posting this on alt. aliens.
research---I'm sure you will have hundreds of people
at your doorstep by morning.

Actually I have posted some info to those types of groups but in case
you've never visited them yourself, they tend to be filled with many
ignorant rants and very juvenile attempts at humorous debunking. So
I was shooting for a higher intellect by posting here; besides, much
of the info the Elohim have given us does touch upon the topic of physics.

4. besides if you can not recognize the only north american bird that is
entirely red for get about it.

Well the pictures weren't in color and neither of us are exactly aviary
savvy.

sorry had to do that

hey if your story is true, start dumping the info;
I need space propulsion schematics
new inventions
vaccines for aids
how the world is won
anything -- let go , tell us

No problem. You've been more kind than most. %^)

Well as I've been reminded (with extreme prejudice) several times since my
initial post: it's not the best idea to add attachments to NG posts. So if
you like, I'll email (or allow you to ftp) all the stuff that I have
digitized thus
far. just let me know and send me the required info.

jbex

ok why don't you make your own web page that includes your best stuff
and maybe some of the things I mentioned.
Xmission.com provides this service with even the most basic service. The
other way to go is finding a news group for your pictures, there are
literally thousands for just posting pictures.


holog



Jbex wrote:

Well as I've been reminded (with extreme prejudice) several times since my
initial post: it's not the best idea to add attachments to NG posts. So if
you like, I'll email (or allow you to ftp) all the stuff that I have
digitized thus
far. just let me know and send me the required info.

jbex

"holog" wrote in message
...
ok why don't you make your own web page that includes your best stuff
and maybe some of the things I mentioned.
Xmission.com provides this service with even the most basic service. The
other way to go is finding a news group for your pictures, there are
literally thousands for just posting pictures.


I could do that but it would be just one more web site
out there with material that would be deemed "loony"
by the self-proclaimed intellectuals and "redundant" by
the believers. I was hoping that at least someone here
would take a chance at intelligent discourse on a
controversial topic and possibly attempt to examine
any evidence that I might have. But as usual, even the
brightest among us tend to disappoint.

But then I suppose it's not really my place to try and
convince the unconvincible. I just try to hope, like
they do, that the scary prophecies are untrue and that
rationality will win out in the end. Unfortunately my
hope has been depleted by my new friends and
replaced with the realization that all the unthinkable
rumors about our past, present, and future are most
likely true. Man, what a drag...

Jbex wrote:

"holog" wrote in message
...

ok why don't you make your own web page that includes your best stuff
and maybe some of the things I mentioned.
Xmission.com provides this service with even the most basic service. The
other way to go is finding a news group for your pictures, there are
literally thousands for just posting pictures.



I could do that but it would be just one more web site
out there with material that would be deemed "loony"
and "redundant" by the believers. I was hoping that at least some
intelligent discourse might tend to disappoint.

I suppose really the scary prophecies are untrue and that
rationality will win out in the end. Unfortunately my
hope has been depleted by my new friends and
replaced with rumors about Madra...



hey jbex looking for the schematics on propulsion systems or anything really, but don't see any.

what's up?

holog