"Androcles" wrote in message
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"qbit" wrote in message
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: Debunked by Proof: Einstein's Relativity Theory Is Wrong! - PROOF #1
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: Einstein's Relativity Theory (RT) states that nothing can move
: faster than the speed of light (ie. c = 299,792,458 m/s^2).


No, no, no... c = 2AB/(t'A-tA)
http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einst...gures/img7.gif


How far is from A to A and how long does it take to get there?

It doesn't say the distance from A to A .. it says twice the distance from A
to B

Before you can get from A to A, first you must get halfway, which is B.
See Xeno's paradox.

Its unrelated to xeno's paradox.

"we establish BY DEFINITION that the time required by light to travel from
A
to B equals the time it requires to travel from B to A."
That means it is because Einstein says so, not that it IS.

Why would it be different? If the speed of light is constant, then it must
be. Or are you saying the speed of light is not constant?

Now the time it takes to get from A to B (say 2 seconds) is half the time
it
takes to get from A to A (3 seconds),

Why do you think the speed of light would be different depending on the
direction of travel?

and half of (1+2) is 1, the other half is 2.
http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einst...ures/img22.gif

But we MUST forget the other half and only use the first half so that we
can
derive
the cuckoo malformations aka the "Lorentz Transformations".

No .. what the formula says is you use the combined time (there and back) ..
so if it takes 2 seconds there and 3 seconds back (for whatever reason you
think), then in the formula you quote t'A - tA = 5

[snip irrelevancy]

"Androcles" wrote in message
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"Tom Roberts" wrote in message
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: qbit wrote:
: Debunked by Proof: Einstein's Relativity Theory Is Wrong! - PROOF #1
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: You assumed that Newtonian gravitation (NG) holds
You assume you can read, you illiterate ****ing troll.

sarcasmWhat a brilliant retort. You sure showed him where his physics was
wrong. You must be so proud./sarcasm

"Androcles" wrote in message
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"Tom Roberts" wrote in message
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: qbit wrote:
: Debunked by Proof: Einstein's Relativity Theory Is Wrong! - PROOF #1
[...]
:
: You assumed that Newtonian gravitation (NG) holds
You assume you can read, you illiterate ****ing troll.

sarcasmWhat a brilliant retort. You sure showed him where his physics was
wrong. You must be so proud./sarcasm

People, people, people, you have qbit all wrong. You trade his wacky
science with science, he and Androcles reply with potty mouths, and the
whole thing escalates into a mindless insult-fest!

First, you must learn to appreciate qbit's poetry! Note the ponderous
manner in which he writes the speed of light to the nearest meter per
second (and pedantically corrects himself when he uses the wrong units).
And how in his thought experiment, when he needs to pose an example of
a large massive body, that he feels the need to cite an actual example
(complete with wikipedia citation!), and then at length compares its
vital statistics with that of our own sun.

I'm sorry, but his writing should be compared with Shakespeare, not
Newton. The scientific content is so obviously flawed that the only way
he can bate anyone into a discussion is by his ponderous, yet eerily
beautiful style. You guys think you are so clever in understanding the
flaws in his science, when in reality he has you guys wrapped around his
little finger, arguing with his inanities, and giving him the attention
he so clearly desires.

Please, people, if or when you respond to his posts, try to come up with
imaginative and well crafted insults. Combat him not with science, but
with poetry. Really, "stoopid" and "troll" just don't cut it any more -
we have heard these phrases too many times. And please try to avoid the
potty mouths - it doesn't impress anyone.

Qbit is clearly seeking attention. Think hard about his psychology.
Try to find his buttons and punch them hard. See if you can make him
squirm so hard that he puts you into his killfile. And above all, when
responding to these trolls, enjoy yourself! If you start to loose sleep
over it, you need to do something else for a while.

Best regards,

Stephen

People, people, people, you have qbit all wrong. You trade his wacky
science with science, he and Androcles reply with potty mouths, and the
whole thing escalates into a mindless insult-fest!

First, you must learn to appreciate qbit's poetry! Note the ponderous
manner in which he writes the speed of light to the nearest meter per
second (and pedantically corrects himself when he uses the wrong units).
And how in his thought experiment, when he needs to pose an example of
a large massive body, that he feels the need to cite an actual example
(complete with wikipedia citation!), and then at length compares its
vital statistics with that of our own sun.

I'm sorry, but his writing should be compared with Shakespeare, not
Newton. The scientific content is so obviously flawed that the only way
he can bate anyone into a discussion is by his ponderous, yet eerily
beautiful style. You guys think you are so clever in understanding the
flaws in his science, when in reality he has you guys wrapped around his
little finger, arguing with his inanities, and giving him the attention
he so clearly desires.

Please, people, if or when you respond to his posts, try to come up with
imaginative and well crafted insults. Combat him not with science, but
with poetry. Really, "stoopid" and "troll" just don't cut it any more -
we have heard these phrases too many times. And please try to avoid the
potty mouths - it doesn't impress anyone.

Qbit is clearly seeking attention. Think hard about his psychology.
Try to find his buttons and punch them hard. See if you can make him
squirm so hard that he puts you into his killfile. And above all, when
responding to these trolls, enjoy yourself! If you start to loose sleep
over it, you need to do something else for a while.

Best regards,

Stephen

"qbit" wrote in message
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"Jeckyl" wrote
"qbit" wrote

Dwelling in the past and worshipping former heros of science (not matter
how great) at the expense of moving forward is not the way of science.

No, the situation is exactly the other way around.
We must abandon RT to be able to make the next giant step
in science. RT lobbyists are controlling the science world.
They must be expelled from these places.

There are many areas where physicist are looking at new ideas. If SR is
wrong, then it will be replaced, just like SR replaced Newtonian ideas ..
but a new theory must successfully explain all the correct predictions of
the old theory .. just like SR correctly predicts experimental results from
Newton's physics. Classical Newtonian physics is an extremely close
approximation to SR at relatively low velocities .. so small a difference
that we just cannot tell them apart. So far we've not come up with anything
better. Going backward to physics of the past that have already been shown
to be wrong is not advancement . .you can't start re-accepting physics that
has already been refuted. That's not science.

"qbit" wrote in message
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"Jeckyl" wrote
"qbit" wrote

Dwelling in the past and worshipping former heros of science (not matter
how great) at the expense of moving forward is not the way of science.

No, the situation is exactly the other way around.
We must abandon RT to be able to make the next giant step
in science. RT lobbyists are controlling the science world.
They must be expelled from these places.

There are many areas where physicist are looking at new ideas. If SR is
wrong, then it will be replaced, just like SR replaced Newtonian ideas ..
but a new theory must successfully explain all the correct predictions of
the old theory .. just like SR correctly predicts experimental results from
Newton's physics. Classical Newtonian physics is an extremely close
approximation to SR at relatively low velocities .. so small a difference
that we just cannot tell them apart. So far we've not come up with anything
better. Going backward to physics of the past that have already been shown
to be wrong is not advancement . .you can't start re-accepting physics that
has already been refuted. That's not science.

:
: Yes, you have conclusively proven that you are a troll, and an
: ignorant one at that.

Yes, you have conclusively proven that you are a ****head, and a
particularly stooopid one at that, you nym-shifting ****.

What does "f***head" actually mean? You probably don;t even know which
head to f*** with.
Maybe you should also look up the meaning of thw rod "c***", as you
are even more confused about female anatomy than you are about
physics. You must not have much experience with such matters. Tsk,
tsk. Must be those all boys schools you attended - the cane and all
that... "Please sir, may I have another?" whimpering

Come on - fire back your usual banter, and I can go for the kill shot
with no remorse.

BTW, how did it feel to shake offf the death rattle? Go gentle into
that good night - do it! Do it!

:
: Yes, you have conclusively proven that you are a troll, and an
: ignorant one at that.

Yes, you have conclusively proven that you are a ****head, and a
particularly stooopid one at that, you nym-shifting ****.

What does "f***head" actually mean? You probably don;t even know which
head to f*** with.
Maybe you should also look up the meaning of thw rod "c***", as you
are even more confused about female anatomy than you are about
physics. You must not have much experience with such matters. Tsk,
tsk. Must be those all boys schools you attended - the cane and all
that... "Please sir, may I have another?" whimpering

Come on - fire back your usual banter, and I can go for the kill shot
with no remorse.

BTW, how did it feel to shake offf the death rattle? Go gentle into
that good night - do it! Do it!

"Jeckyl" wrote
"qbit" wrote in message
"Jeckyl" wrote
"qbit" wrote

Dwelling in the past and worshipping former heros of science (not matter
how great) at the expense of moving forward is not the way of science.

No, the situation is exactly the other way around.
We must abandon RT to be able to make the next giant step
in science. RT lobbyists are controlling the science world.
They must be expelled from these places.

There are many areas where physicist are looking at new ideas. If SR is
wrong, then it will be replaced, just like SR replaced Newtonian ideas ..
but a new theory must successfully explain all the correct predictions of
the old theory .. just like SR correctly predicts experimental results from
Newton's physics. Classical Newtonian physics is an extremely close
approximation to SR at relatively low velocities .. so small a difference
that we just cannot tell them apart. So far we've not come up with anything
better. Going backward to physics of the past that have already been shown
to be wrong is not advancement . .you can't start re-accepting physics that
has already been refuted. That's not science.

I'm saying to you that it is just politics and religion
what's going on for more than 100 years with RT.

Classical Mechanics can do it even better than RT and much much easier!
The shortcomings of CM are minimal. For example in CM
one easily can add a "relativistic addition" formula for particles
having a defined maxspeed like Photons (I personally strongly
doubt the correctness of the formula used in RT which for
example for 0.5c+0.5c gives 0.8c; this can't be true).

The goal must of course be the correct mathematical methods,
not any beliefs or religions. But the RT lobbists treat it indeed as religion!
And the RT opponents are of course not dumb, they very well know
what's going on behind the curtains.
I predict that RT really can no longer be "held"!
The party is over! Science must rule again, not religion.