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Old June 30th 08 posted to rec.org.mensa,sci.physics,sci.physics.relativity,alt.sci.physics,sci.physics.particle
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Default Shell to shell influence

On Jun 30, 2:34*pm, wrote:
Do electrons in seperate shells effect one another if the shells are
in close proximity?

What creates atomic shells?
Are protons always surrounded by empty shells?

Mitch Raemsch


Nucleon resonsonances suggest nuclear subshells.
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Old June 30th 08 posted to rec.org.mensa,sci.physics,sci.physics.relativity,alt.sci.physics,sci.physics.particle
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Default Shell to shell influence

On Jun 30, 2:36 pm, wrote:
On Jun 30, 2:34 pm, wrote:

Do electrons in seperate shells effect one another if the shells are
in close proximity?


What creates atomic shells?
Are protons always surrounded by empty shells?


Mitch Raemsch


Nucleon resonsonances suggest nuclear subshells.


You need to shut the hell up.
  #3  
Old July 1st 08 posted to rec.org.mensa,sci.physics,sci.physics.relativity,alt.sci.physics,sci.physics.particle
tadchem
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Default Shell to shell influence

On Jun 30, 6:36*pm, wrote:
On Jun 30, 2:34*pm, wrote:

Do electrons in seperate shells effect one another if the shells are
in close proximity?


Only if the primers are abused.

What creates atomic shells?


Atomic Ammunition LLC

Are protons always surrounded by empty shells?


Only if they have been firing bursts.

Mitch Raemsch


Nucleon resonsonances suggest nuclear subshells.


"resonsonances"???

Tom Davidson
Richmond, VA
  #4  
Old July 1st 08 posted to rec.org.mensa,sci.physics,sci.chem,alt.sci.physics,sci.physics.particle
Y.Porat
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Default Shell to shell influence

On Jul 1, 1:36 am, wrote:
On Jun 30, 2:34 pm, wrote:

Do electrons in seperate shells effect one another if the shells are
in close proximity?

------------------------
the common existing picture about electron shells
is wrong
untill now there is only a crippled mathematical model!!

2
the basic assumption that all Protons in the nuc
are positively charged is wrong
in heavy Atoms not all the Protons are charged
so consiquently the number of electrons in a heavy Atom
is much less than as now believed and' fiddles in '
so the problem in reality is much less complicated
(much less possible interference between
all alleged electrons)
3

the electron 'orbitals'
do not orbit around the nuc
but stem outwards right from the nuc outwards (sort of 'fountains'
directed
outwards ifyou like -sort of 'horns' outwards
not very different than the chemical 'bars' of chemical
Arms valence that we see in chemical compound descriptions )
and therefore no interference between them
the active 'charge' of that bar orbital is only at its external edge
4
another conclusion out of it is that
the electron is not a 'final point particle
but sub composed

in short --
too many existing wrong basic assumptions
that lead to unnecessary confusion and deception

ATB
Y.Porat
----------------------

What creates atomic shells?
Are protons always surrounded by empty shells?


Mitch Raemsch


Nucleon resonsonances suggest nuclear subshells.


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Old July 1st 08 posted to rec.org.mensa,sci.physics,sci.chem,alt.sci.physics,sci.physics.particle
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Default Shell to shell influence

On Jun 30, 8:15*pm, "Y.Porat" wrote:
On Jul 1, 1:36 am, wrote: On Jun 30, 2:34 pm, wrote:

Do electrons in seperate shells effect one another if the shells are
in close proximity?


------------------------
the common existing picture about electron shells
is wrong
untill now there is only a crippled mathematical model!!

2
the basic assumption that all Protons in the nuc
are positively charged is wrong
in * *heavy Atoms *not all the Protons are charged
so consiquently *the number of electrons *in a heavy Atom
is much less than as now believed and' fiddles in '
so the problem in reality is much less complicated
(much less possible interference between
all alleged electrons)
3

the electron 'orbitals'
do not orbit around the nuc
but stem outwards *right from the nuc outwards (sort of * 'fountains'
directed
outwards ifyou * like *-sort of 'horns' outwards
not very different than the chemical 'bars' of chemical
Arms valence *that we see in chemical compound descriptions )
and therefore *no interference between them
the active 'charge' of that bar orbital is only at its external edge
4
another conclusion out of it is that
the *electron is not a 'final point particle
but sub composed

in short *--
*too many existing wrong basic assumptions
that lead to unnecessary confusion and deception

ATB
Y.Porat
----------------------





What creates atomic shells?
Are protons always surrounded by empty shells?


Mitch Raemsch


Nucleon resonsonances suggest nuclear subshells.- Hide quoted text -


- Show quoted text -


The protons and electrons should come together.

Mitch Raemsch
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Old July 1st 08 posted to rec.org.mensa,sci.physics,sci.chem,alt.sci.physics,sci.physics.particle
Mad Ape
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Default Shell to shell influence

BURT wrote:
On Jun 30, 8:15 pm, "Y.Porat" wrote:
On Jul 1, 1:36 am, wrote: On Jun 30, 2:34 pm, wrote:

Do electrons in seperate shells effect one another if the shells are
in close proximity?

------------------------
the common existing picture about electron shells
is wrong
untill now there is only a crippled mathematical model!!

2
the basic assumption that all Protons in the nuc
are positively charged is wrong
in heavy Atoms not all the Protons are charged
so consiquently the number of electrons in a heavy Atom
is much less than as now believed and' fiddles in '
so the problem in reality is much less complicated
(much less possible interference between
all alleged electrons)
3

the electron 'orbitals'
do not orbit around the nuc
but stem outwards right from the nuc outwards (sort of 'fountains'
directed
outwards ifyou like -sort of 'horns' outwards
not very different than the chemical 'bars' of chemical
Arms valence that we see in chemical compound descriptions )
and therefore no interference between them
the active 'charge' of that bar orbital is only at its external edge
4
another conclusion out of it is that
the electron is not a 'final point particle
but sub composed

in short --
too many existing wrong basic assumptions
that lead to unnecessary confusion and deception

ATB
Y.Porat
----------------------





What creates atomic shells?
Are protons always surrounded by empty shells?
Mitch Raemsch
Nucleon resonsonances suggest nuclear subshells.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


The protons and electrons should come together.

Mitch Raemsch


They can't come together anymore than the Earth circling the Sun can.

The Mad Ape
www.tatumba.com

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Old July 1st 08 posted to rec.org.mensa,sci.physics,sci.chem,alt.sci.physics,sci.physics.particle
BURT
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Default Shell to shell influence

On Jun 30, 11:27*pm, Mad Ape wrote:
BURT wrote:
On Jun 30, 8:15 pm, "Y.Porat" wrote:
On Jul 1, 1:36 am, wrote: On Jun 30, 2:34 pm, wrote:


Do electrons in seperate shells effect one another if the shells are
in close proximity?
------------------------
the common existing picture about electron shells
is wrong
untill now there is only a crippled mathematical model!!


2
the basic assumption that all Protons in the nuc
are positively charged is wrong
in * *heavy Atoms *not all the Protons are charged
so consiquently *the number of electrons *in a heavy Atom
is much less than as now believed and' fiddles in '
so the problem in reality is much less complicated
(much less possible interference between
all alleged electrons)
3


the electron 'orbitals'
do not orbit around the nuc
but stem outwards *right from the nuc outwards (sort of * 'fountains'
directed
outwards ifyou * like *-sort of 'horns' outwards
not very different than the chemical 'bars' of chemical
Arms valence *that we see in chemical compound descriptions )
and therefore *no interference between them
the active 'charge' of that bar orbital is only at its external edge
4
another conclusion out of it is that
the *electron is not a 'final point particle
but sub composed


in short *--
*too many existing wrong basic assumptions
that lead to unnecessary confusion and deception


ATB
Y.Porat
----------------------


What creates atomic shells?
Are protons always surrounded by empty shells?
Mitch Raemsch
Nucleon resonsonances suggest nuclear subshells.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -


The protons and electrons should come together.


Mitch Raemsch


They can't come together anymore than the Earth circling the Sun can.

The Mad Apewww.tatumba.com- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


This is no explanation. What is stopping their attraction? Electric
charge opposites attract.

Mitch Raemsch
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Old July 2nd 08 posted to rec.org.mensa,sci.physics,sci.chem,alt.sci.physics,sci.physics.particle
Y.y.Porat
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Default Shell to shell influence

On Jul 1, 10:27 am, Mad Ape wrote:
BURT wrote:
On Jun 30, 8:15 pm, "Y.Porat" wrote:
On Jul 1, 1:36 am, wrote: On Jun 30, 2:34 pm, wrote:


Do electrons in seperate shells effect one another if the shells are
in close proximity?
------------------------
the common existing picture about electron shells
is wrong
untill now there is only a crippled mathematical model!!


2
the basic assumption that all Protons in the nuc
are positively charged is wrong
in heavy Atoms not all the Protons are charged
so consiquently the number of electrons in a heavy Atom
is much less than as now believed and' fiddles in '
so the problem in reality is much less complicated
(much less possible interference between
all alleged electrons)
3


the electron 'orbitals'
do not orbit around the nuc
but stem outwards right from the nuc outwards (sort of 'fountains'
directed
outwards ifyou like -sort of 'horns' outwards
not very different than the chemical 'bars' of chemical
Arms valence that we see in chemical compound descriptions )
and therefore no interference between them
the active 'charge' of that bar orbital is only at its external edge
4
another conclusion out of it is that
the electron is not a 'final point particle
but sub composed


in short --
too many existing wrong basic assumptions
that lead to unnecessary confusion and deception


ATB
Y.Porat
----------------------


What creates atomic shells?
Are protons always surrounded by empty shells?
Mitch Raemsch
Nucleon resonsonances suggest nuclear subshells.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -


The protons and electrons should come together.


Mitch Raemsch


They can't come together anymore than the Earth circling the Sun can.

The Mad Apewww.tatumba.com


an electron can join a Proton as an 'edge orbital '
in a 'chain of orbitals' !!
it is definitely not the solar system that is in your mind !!

ATB
Y.Porat
----------------------
  #9  
Old July 5th 08 posted to rec.org.mensa,sci.physics,sci.chem,alt.sci.physics,sci.physics.particle
BURT
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Default Shell to shell influence

On Jul 2, 2:54*am, "Y.y.Porat" wrote:
On Jul 1, 10:27 am, Mad Ape wrote:





BURT wrote:
On Jun 30, 8:15 pm, "Y.Porat" wrote:
On Jul 1, 1:36 am, wrote: On Jun 30, 2:34 pm, wrote:


Do electrons in seperate shells effect one another if the shells are
in close proximity?
------------------------
the common existing picture about electron shells
is wrong
untill now there is only a crippled mathematical model!!


2
the basic assumption that all Protons in the nuc
are positively charged is wrong
in * *heavy Atoms *not all the Protons are charged
so consiquently *the number of electrons *in a heavy Atom
is much less than as now believed and' fiddles in '
so the problem in reality is much less complicated
(much less possible interference between
all alleged electrons)
3


the electron 'orbitals'
do not orbit around the nuc
but stem outwards *right from the nuc outwards (sort of * 'fountains'
directed
outwards ifyou * like *-sort of 'horns' outwards
not very different than the chemical 'bars' of chemical
Arms valence *that we see in chemical compound descriptions )
and therefore *no interference between them
the active 'charge' of that bar orbital is only at its external edge
4
another conclusion out of it is that
the *electron is not a 'final point particle
but sub composed


in short *--
*too many existing wrong basic assumptions
that lead to unnecessary confusion and deception


ATB
Y.Porat
----------------------


What creates atomic shells?
Are protons always surrounded by empty shells?
Mitch Raemsch
Nucleon resonsonances suggest nuclear subshells.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -


The protons and electrons should come together.


Mitch Raemsch


They can't come together anymore than the Earth circling the Sun can.


The Mad Apewww.tatumba.com


an electron can join a Proton as an 'edge orbital '
in a 'chain of orbitals' !!
it is definitely not the solar system that is in your mind !!

ATB
Y.Porat
----------------------- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


Oribital to orbital interaction of electrons by electric repulsion
should be part of the order of the electromagnetic shells.

Mitch Reamsch
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Old July 5th 08 posted to rec.org.mensa,sci.physics,sci.chem,alt.sci.physics,sci.physics.particle
Y.Porat
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Default Shell to shell influence

On Jul 5, 4:37*am, BURT wrote:
On Jul 2, 2:54*am, "Y.y.Porat" wrote:



On Jul 1, 10:27 am, Mad Ape wrote:


BURT wrote:
On Jun 30, 8:15 pm, "Y.Porat" wrote:
On Jul 1, 1:36 am, wrote: On Jun 30, 2:34 pm, wrote:


Do electrons in seperate shells effect one another if the shells are
in close proximity?
------------------------
the common existing picture about electron shells
is wrong
untill now there is only a crippled mathematical model!!


2
the basic assumption that all Protons in the nuc
are positively charged is wrong
in * *heavy Atoms *not all the Protons are charged
so consiquently *the number of electrons *in a heavy Atom
is much less than as now believed and' fiddles in '
so the problem in reality is much less complicated
(much less possible interference between
all alleged electrons)
3


the electron 'orbitals'
do not orbit around the nuc
but stem outwards *right from the nuc outwards (sort of * 'fountains'
directed
outwards ifyou * like *-sort of 'horns' outwards
not very different than the chemical 'bars' of chemical
Arms valence *that we see in chemical compound descriptions )
and therefore *no interference between them
the active 'charge' of that bar orbital is only at its external edge
4
another conclusion out of it is that
the *electron is not a 'final point particle
but sub composed


in short *--
*too many existing wrong basic assumptions
that lead to unnecessary confusion and deception


ATB
Y.Porat
----------------------


What creates atomic shells?
Are protons always surrounded by empty shells?
Mitch Raemsch
Nucleon resonsonances suggest nuclear subshells.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -


The protons and electrons should come together.


Mitch Raemsch


They can't come together anymore than the Earth circling the Sun can.


The Mad Apewww.tatumba.com


an electron can join a Proton as an 'edge orbital '
in a 'chain of orbitals' !!
it is definitely not the solar system that is in your mind !!


ATB
Y.Porat
----------------------- Hide quoted text -


- Show quoted text -


Oribital to orbital interaction of electrons by electric repulsion
should be part of the order of the electromagnetic shells.

Mitch Reamsch


------------------
you will be surprised that 'Nature' did it much cleaver !!!

it is in a much more peaceful way!!

there is no orbital to orbital interference
and no repulsion in its 'ground state '
2
the number of electrons 'around the nuc'
is much less than the common paradigm !!
(depends about what we you call 'around')

ATB
Y.Porat
--------------------------

 




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